Episode 134: Build A Better Buttplug And The World Will Beat Off

[EYE OF ZA]

Regarding furries and disposable income, I can think off the top of my head of at least three or four that have posted along the lines of "welp I'm shipping out for basic training soon, see you guys in a while".  I don't know how true this story was but I remember someone supposedly commissioned furry art to put up in his company's common room or whatever while overseas.  Don't know how that went over, but still.

From what I can guess, enlisting in the army probably works for furries because it makes sense if you're nerdy, into guns, and aren't that employable in another field.  And then once you're in, you get a bunch of military benefits, but since you're a nerdy single guy, you don't have to spend it on housing for your girlfriend or on your kids (because you don't have any).  Instead of (or maybe alongside with) spending it on a motorcycle or whatever, you just throw all your disposable income at furries to make porn you want to see.

Isfahan probably is clearer on the details about the sorts of nerdy dudes who get into the military, though.  My experience with the army is only from having grown up in an army officer's family.

[Tiny Prancer]

the tentacle furry erotica is probably the one that pissed me off the most because (a) I actually know what the Guin saga is and having knowledge of anything relating to it feels horrible and (b) $600 for a 20-page minicomic fucking pisses me off because the whole IDEA of minicomics is that they're cheap to make and produce (and if this idiot isn't even printing them, just doing PDF/CD copies, then it's pretty obvious that cash isn't going towards printing), and I know people who've tried to use kickstarter for far better, bigger projects and didn't make funding or get anywhere near this money in general and that fucking pisses me off.

(The Guin saga is this 70s Japanese scifi fantasy series that I don't know much about but I know there's like fifty books in the series and there's these twin siblings who are deposed royalty and they befriend a leopard-headed guy named Guin and I don't know if the whole series is about him or what, and I think I heard somewhere there might be gay sex in it but I am very unclear on this, but the series was a big thing in Japan, anyway. And apparently the only people who knew or cared about it outside of japan were furries, unsurprisingly.)

[count_actuala]

the tentacle furry erotica is probably the one that pissed me off the most because (a) I actually know what the Guin saga is and having knowledge of anything relating to it feels horrible and (b) $600 for a 20-page minicomic fucking pisses me off because the whole IDEA of minicomics is that they're cheap to make and produce (and if this idiot isn't even printing them, just doing PDF/CD copies, then it's pretty obvious that cash isn't going towards printing), and I know people who've tried to use kickstarter for far better, bigger projects and didn't make funding or get anywhere near this money in general and that fucking pisses me off.

(The Guin saga is this 70s Japanese scifi fantasy series that I don't know much about but I know there's like fifty books in the series and there's these twin siblings who are deposed royalty and they befriend a lion-headed guy named Guin and I don't know if the whole series is about him or what, and I think I heard somewhere there might be gay sex in it but I am very unclear on this, but the series was a big thing in Japan, anyway. And apparently the only people who knew or cared about it outside of japan were furries, unsurprisingly.)

I know and care about Guin Saga, but I'm just a nerd.

And fuck 600 dollar mini comics. What a dickweasel.

[Tiny Prancer]

How much of a following does Guin saga actually have outside of Japan? I know the first five books are available in English thanks to Vertical but looking it up, they weren't printing the series until sometime in the 2000s and stopped around 2008.

Also, I was critically wrong in my guess on how many books there are in the series, there's 130 books in the series. Holy shit

[Yossarian]

Regarding furries and disposable income, I can think off the top of my head of at least three or four that have posted along the lines of "welp I'm shipping out for basic training soon, see you guys in a while".  I don't know how true this story was but I remember someone supposedly commissioned furry art to put up in his company's common room or whatever while overseas.  Don't know how that went over, but still.

From what I can guess, enlisting in the army probably works for furries because it makes sense if you're nerdy, into guns, and aren't that employable in another field.  And then once you're in, you get a bunch of military benefits, but since you're a nerdy single guy, you don't have to spend it on housing for your girlfriend or on your kids (because you don't have any).  Instead of (or maybe alongside with) spending it on a motorcycle or whatever, you just throw all your disposable income at furries to make porn you want to see.

Isfahan probably is clearer on the details about the sorts of nerdy dudes who get into the military, though.  My experience with the army is only from having grown up in an army officer's family.

From those that I knew its just a lot of bad money management especially with art. I knew a guy who would get a new commission every week or two and he probably was near a hundred last time we spoke which was a year ago. Some of it is bought as gifts. I knew a lot of people would do it as birthday gifts, or anniversary or just because the new e-yiff buddy and/or partner needed a canonical image of the new pair. Or just because (the non porn art) is cute sometimes. Companies like Bad Dragon really mastered selling to a niche though, they sell a relatively good product that appeals to a dedicated and dumb enough community to shell out cash by the boatload. I cant say I'm any better honestly because I keep buying bayonets. At least history is a good excuse.

[Isfahan]

Regarding furries and disposable income, I can think off the top of my head of at least three or four that have posted along the lines of "welp I'm shipping out for basic training soon, see you guys in a while".  I don't know how true this story was but I remember someone supposedly commissioned furry art to put up in his company's common room or whatever while overseas.  Don't know how that went over, but still.

From what I can guess, enlisting in the army probably works for furries because it makes sense if you're nerdy, into guns, and aren't that employable in another field.  And then once you're in, you get a bunch of military benefits, but since you're a nerdy single guy, you don't have to spend it on housing for your girlfriend or on your kids (because you don't have any).  Instead of (or maybe alongside with) spending it on a motorcycle or whatever, you just throw all your disposable income at furries to make porn you want to see.

I'll assume it went over "not well," as even assuming the furry art wasn't pornographic, it's the equivalent of someone taking it on themselves to put up a picture of the cast of Glee or some other shit in the dayroom. It's not your space to decorate, you're overstepping your bounds, and you're going to weird people out. But that goes hand in hand with furries' patterned lack of socialization, so I don't have too much difficulty believing some young furry pulling that shit, completely oblivious to how it would be received.

The flipside to the money thing is that you don't get a lot of privacy in the military, so during a health & safety Johnny McFurfur will have his stash of X-rated Get-Along-Gang commissions discovered and then he'll be put into mandatory counseling, and God help him if word gets out.

[KingKalamari]

the tentacle furry erotica is probably the one that pissed me off the most because (a) I actually know what the Guin saga is and having knowledge of anything relating to it feels horrible and (b) $600 for a 20-page minicomic fucking pisses me off because the whole IDEA of minicomics is that they're cheap to make and produce (and if this idiot isn't even printing them, just doing PDF/CD copies, then it's pretty obvious that cash isn't going towards printing), and I know people who've tried to use kickstarter for far better, bigger projects and didn't make funding or get anywhere near this money in general and that fucking pisses me off.

That really is the most infuriating aspect of that project. I mean it's bad enough the dude is basically just asking for money to draw crappy porn comics using other people's intellectual property but the fact that that money isn't actually going to anything is what really makes it so utterly rage-inducing.

The entire idea behind Kickstarter and other crowd-funding sites is that the money raised through the initial campaign isn't supposed to be the payout: It's a startup investment. The money raised through Kickstarter et al is meant to be used to pay for the costs of actually making whatever product it is you're trying to create and you then are able to turn a profit off it by going on to market it.

As an example some of the best uses of Kickstarter I know of have been webcomic artists who've used Kickstarter to raise money to publish their work in book format. That is what the site is supposed to be for: Most of the grunt work on the project has already been done but the creator has hit a financial wall because they lack the funds to take that final step to reaching their goal (In this case, publishing a printed version of their work).

But this jackass: There's no financial barrier keeping this guy from finishing his furry fuck-comic! He's not printing it, he's already done half of it just in his spare time and this is far from the kind of project one needs to quit their damned job to focus on (I've known a hell of a lot of people who've made far longer, more ambitious comics just in their spare time with no hope of getting paid). It's just such a blatant case of "GIVE ME MONEY TO DO THIS THING I ALREADY DO!"

[montrith]

I was struck by morbid curiosity and googled "military furries".

At every major furry convention, there are invariably two meetings for military furries, a Saturday morning chow and a Sunday morning panel. Both are typically hosted by Commander Kitsune along with other panelists.

There has been a growing trend at Anthrocon, and other furry conventions, I would like to address. This is the wear of Active Duty military uniforms. For the last couple of years, I've quietly and privately made on-the-spot corrections to those I see wearing the duty uniform of the U.S. military. Most people are respectful and cooperative, but some have argued their “right” to wear their uniforms at furry conventions.

However, Active military Duty uniforms are NOT authorized to be worn at furry conventions.

If I take off my rank, name tapes, and unit patches, I'm no longer claiming to be a soldier, AFAIK. I'm just someone who needs a lot of pockets.

Cargo pants are available at many retail stores, and a lot of them are quite stylish.

I already paid for these pants, TYVM. And until and unless they stop selling uniform items to civilians, take back the stuff they issue before they discharge soldiers, and pay me to turn in uniform items I purchased legally, yes, you will be fighting an uphill battle.
Tashabear
MKA CPT Dooley

I have a German tactical doberman fursuit that I'm looking to debut if I can make it to AC this year, but it just isn't the same if I don't have my "POLIZEI" patch on the back. Would I still get away with it if I had the POLIZEI patch along with the fursuit parts fully visible (sleeves rolled up, no helmet, etc.)?

A uniform that is worn as part of a fursuit while running around the convention, I would argue, is a theatrical performance. A civilian standing in the lobby wearing a uniform is bad. A civilian standing in the lobby wearing a uniform and a wolf head and paws is a theatrical performer, even though there is not an organized "performance" at the time. Fursuiting is performance, by its very nature.

[🍆]

I don't know whats worse about Red Splash Media, that it reminded me of Red Letter Media or that someone thinks "red splash" is a sexy concept at all instead of something that makes the sex end RIGHT THEN.

I'd definitely heard the canard that furry porn pays big bucks before, but I didn't realize it was thousands of dollars type big bucks. I doubt the shame is really worth it in the end though.

[Tiny Prancer]

see, you're assuming the people who get big bucks off of this have shame about it. They obviously don't.

[One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes]

Regarding furries and disposable income, I can think off the top of my head of at least three or four that have posted along the lines of "welp I'm shipping out for basic training soon, see you guys in a while".  I don't know how true this story was but I remember someone supposedly commissioned furry art to put up in his company's common room or whatever while overseas.  Don't know how that went over, but still.

From what I can guess, enlisting in the army probably works for furries because it makes sense if you're nerdy, into guns, and aren't that employable in another field.  And then once you're in, you get a bunch of military benefits, but since you're a nerdy single guy, you don't have to spend it on housing for your girlfriend or on your kids (because you don't have any).  Instead of (or maybe alongside with) spending it on a motorcycle or whatever, you just throw all your disposable income at furries to make porn you want to see.

Isfahan probably is clearer on the details about the sorts of nerdy dudes who get into the military, though.  My experience with the army is only from having grown up in an army officer's family.

From those that I knew its just a lot of bad money management especially with art. I knew a guy who would get a new commission every week or two and he probably was near a hundred last time we spoke which was a year ago. Some of it is bought as gifts. I knew a lot of people would do it as birthday gifts, or anniversary or just because the new e-yiff buddy and/or partner needed a canonical image of the new pair. Or just because (the non porn art) is cute sometimes. Companies like Bad Dragon really mastered selling to a niche though, they sell a relatively good product that appeals to a dedicated and dumb enough community to shell out cash by the boatload. I cant say I'm any better honestly because I keep buying bayonets. At least history is a good excuse.

This is pretty much what I've seen too, both from mining content and from people being annoying goobers. Skimming their galleries or blogs would quickly reveal that they'd pay for commissions on a damn near daily basis, only to sheepishly ask their friends for money weeks later because bills "snuck up" on them. Or "oops I totally accidentally overdrafted can I plz plz plz have some money?? ^_^;;" I'm sure at least a few of them have taken out loans for fursuits and shit.

Needless to say it's fucking infuriating, especially since the people who do this do it repeatedly. Hey, I can understand the occasional fuck-up; you think you have some walking around money, you buy something stupid, then an emergency bites you in the ass. It happens. But buying art nonstop? Fuck that. You're just going to have to go without weird fanart or cartoon porn for a while, you loons. Suck it up and deal with it.

Something I really don't get though: A lot of the time, furries will just buy stuff from each other. As in, one of them will open up commissions, their friends buy some, then those friends in turn open up commissions (because again, BILLS ARE SNEAKY BASTARDS THEY ARE) and the first furry will then buy from them. What the fuck? It's just a bunch of kids passing a dollar around amongst themselves? How does that even work? Oh wait, of course... it doesn't. And now I'm seeing furries sponsoring each other on Patreon, which also doesn't exactly work.

And the thing is, they always ask for the same goddamn things over and over again anyway.  One person might always ask for "I want my fursona as a Pokemon trainer! ^_^" and another might ask for nothing but "my character looking badass with a gun or something X3" And of course you have the fetishists who exclusively buy art of fat sheep falling off a cliff. And even then, they tend to pick artists with very similar styles (classic Disney, generic anime, etc.) or just latch on to one artist like a lamprey. And that really confuses me because if you're going to blow all this money on fanart, why not go for wildly different artists, styles, and scenarios?

Seriously, some people can't even waste all their rent money on dumb shit properly.

(that said, I do have framed art of my cartoon characters in my room. It's goddamned adorable.)

[Tiny Prancer]

Something I really don't get though: A lot of the time, furries will just buy stuff from each other. As in, one of them will open up commissions, their friends buy some, then those friends in turn open up commissions (because again, BILLS ARE SNEAKY BASTARDS THEY ARE) and the first furry will then buy from them. What the fuck? It's just a bunch of kids passing a dollar around amongst themselves? How does that even work? Oh wait, of course... it doesn't. And now I'm seeing furries sponsoring each other on Patreon, which also doesn't exactly work.

All I can think of is that one Beavis and Butt-Head cartoon where they had to sell candy bars for a school fundraiser and instead they just passed the same dollar back and forth between each other and "bought" each other's candy until they ate all of it.

I think what unsettles me the most about furry commission culture is that a lot of the time I see people posting no original artwork at all, only commissions, and the fact that it gets to the point where they have no drive or interest left for personal projects because no one gives them money for it is really unsettling to me. I used to follow someone online who slowly stopped posting original artwork and started posting more and more furry commissions, and then got to a point that literally the only thing they posted was furry vore commissions, all for the same person, who I think they were dating at the time. I stopped following them soon after.

(Later I stumbled across babyfur artwork that looked very much like their style and I was terrified. I never found out if it was actually their work or not, because if it was, they didn't have it posted up with those vore commissions.)

[Isfahan]

I was struck by morbid curiosity and googled "military furries".

How many of the people you found were actually in the military and not just fetishizing it in some way? I don't just mean in a sexual way, I also mean fetishizing as it pertains to building something up in one's head to be more personally satisfying than how it is in reality.

I mean, to people actually in, wearing a uniform when you're not supposed to is a bad thing, and it's drilled into you how bad it is. That's why actual military people jump on civilians who fake service by wearing uniforms. I don't want to believe that furries are so far gone socially that they'll leave even this rule behind when they go to one of their conventions.

[montrith]

Here you go. Imagine my pride when I saw there was one guy from Finland on that list.

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/MILFurs

BunnyBoyDaniel the "Don't ask, Don't tell" rule still applies to furries, they are still pets of the military and will be waped with a newspaper if they don’t follow the rules. As far as military furs, I know a few furs just on my base. I’m USAF stationed on Ramstein right now. I also know a few more on other bases. You just need to stick your head out of the dog house to find them.>

I was a furry in the military. I converted my squad leader and two other people in my platoon. If I'd stayed with that unit there's a chance my whole platoon would have had furry pinups on the sides of their vehicles. I never felt any pressure not to express myself in my 11 years.

Is there any chance of getting safer military jobs? I rather not get shot in the head on my first day here >.< And Yes I am thinking of joining, if only because they offar jobs....most around here want exp or a college degree, still going though college and money would help ._. just trying to decide if this is the right thing for me or not.

Also excuse me for not lurking around the military more but....what the hell is a DD2144 and a PTSD?

[Cat Planet]

And the thing is, they always ask for the same goddamn things over and over again anyway.  One person might always ask for "I want my fursona as a Pokemon trainer! ^_^" and another might ask for nothing but "my character looking badass with a gun or something X3" And of course you have the fetishists who exclusively buy art of fat sheep falling off a cliff. And even then, they tend to pick artists with very similar styles (classic Disney, generic anime, etc.) or just latch on to one artist like a lamprey. And that really confuses me because if you're going to blow all this money on fanart, why not go for wildly different artists, styles, and scenarios?

Seriously, some people can't even waste all their rent money on dumb shit properly.

"My fursona" is the key though, and this is what makes furry commissions an inexhaustible goldmine. Compare it to non-furry fetish porn. Suppose, you get off on someone getting spanked or whatever. There is a variety of women and a variety of role playing scenarios this can happen in, but in the end most of these have already been filmed, and no one would seriously pay money to have more of this produced. But the furries want THEIR three-dicked Robin Hood centaur "original character" to be doing it. Add this to Rule 34, which is a bottomless reservoir. I think, some furries have disassociated themselves from reality so hard that they can't identify with (and get off to) characters unless it's their fursona + a character from a video game they identify themselves through.

What I'm saying as, is that the longer you beat off to weird shit, the narrower you circle of interest becomes. Remember the guy who could only get off on vore and gore? Or the one who only liked when women pissed themselves with lighter colored pee? Also it's no mystery that they pick up something that looks like Disney or Deviantart Anime style - these were the styles they've started their beating off careers with, and nerds hate leaving comfort zones.