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Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: Lemon on August 26, 2019, 04:06:55 pm
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(This material's episode was not compiled by Mix & Beelzeboob, despite what you may hear) (https://thefpl.us/episode/309)
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: Wrought on August 26, 2019, 04:12:10 pm
Holy shit I've been waiting so long for another creepypasta episode
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Post by: GirlKisser420 on August 26, 2019, 05:38:45 pm
The thing about nosleep you wouldn’t expect is that an insane proportion of the stories are about badass hitmen. I think they had to crack down on it.
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Post by: Seth "Slimy" Rollins on August 26, 2019, 05:46:04 pm
The thing about nosleep you wouldn’t expect is that an insane proportion of the stories are about badass hitmen. I think they had to crack down on it. GirlKisser420, August 26, 2019, 05:38:45 pm
as my friend put it, the one thing that binds every reddit guy together is that they all dream of being a badass operator. any fandom, any political leanings, whether or not they're there for fetishes, they all wanna be a cool dude that shoots guns
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Post by: GirlKisser420 on August 26, 2019, 07:45:35 pm
They should really lean into the Reddit posts as a structure. Instead of bad fiction they should write ‘my (23f) boyfriend (38m) won’t stop carving Runes????’ or ‘how do I beat the screaming blood ghost in banjo-tooie?’
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Post by: Cheapskate on August 26, 2019, 08:15:11 pm
The Lion /r/nosleeps Tonight
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Post by: Neal on August 26, 2019, 08:32:27 pm
They should really lean into the Reddit posts as a structure. Instead of bad fiction they should write ‘my (23f) boyfriend (38m) won’t stop carving Runes????’ or ‘how do I beat the screaming blood ghost in banjo-tooie?’ GirlKisser420, August 26, 2019, 07:45:35 pm
AITA for singing "Jingle Bells, Batman Smells" during my cult's monthly summoning chant?
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: chai tea latte on August 26, 2019, 08:44:56 pm
How can these be SO BOOOOORRRRIIINNGGG
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Post by: MasterOfHope on August 26, 2019, 09:07:49 pm
One of the stories here (I think it was the lion one) references this other quite popular series of nosleep posts. https://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/3iex1h/im_a_search_and_rescue_officer_for_the_us_forest/ I think these stories are quite good mostly, and they were popular enough to get very loosely adapted as season 3 of the Syfy Channel show Channel Zero
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Post by: ClaraTinSoldier on August 26, 2019, 10:26:17 pm
This episode is so boring. It's amazing. Great job.
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: EYE OF ZA on August 26, 2019, 10:50:13 pm
This makes a nice companion to the previous episode because it shares the theme of "kids trying to freak each other out".
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Post by: Wrought on August 26, 2019, 10:53:42 pm
there are so many bad creepypastas out there. I cannot believe you managed to find the worst ones. Nosleep is kind of a shithole even for creepypasta because the concept is you have to write the creepypasta as if it's really happening to you and everyone else has to roleplay as the most gullible fucking idiots on the planet earth. You know what would be scary? If my bananas went bad slightly faster than normal. You know what would be even scarier? if I was a cool assassin. that'd be really scary. I bet kevin from 3rd period science would be scared of me then.
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Post by: A Meat on August 27, 2019, 06:06:42 am
I love that bananas story, it's so dumb. I wish the twist was that it was some jerk coworker coming over, spritzing the bananas with a concentrated ethylene solution and running away
p.s.: if you don't want your bananas all to ripen quickly, don't put them in a small closed space like a safe, and keep them away from your apples and pairs, because bananas release a decent amount of ethylene and apples and pears are very sensitive
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Post by: Mix on August 27, 2019, 06:12:32 am
Sometimes I think about the fact that there's a fucking No Sleep Podcast that's just taking posts other people made and narrating them and they're all pretty bland like these (even the audio drama scene isnt THAT into it, just because we have...well written horror lol)
the guy who runs it also threw a huge tantrum a few years back when people pointed out that like half the stories he chose had really awful "twists" that usually amounted to 'surprise, it was actually sexual assault' and asked him to at least put content warnings or something beforehand so now the episodes have a really sarcastic 'this podcast is only for MATURE audiences' opening
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Post by: KingKalamari on August 27, 2019, 09:20:10 am
Sometimes I think about the fact that there's a fucking No Sleep Podcast that's just taking posts other people made and narrating them and they're all pretty bland like these (even the audio drama scene isnt THAT into it, just because we have...well written horror lol)
the guy who runs it also threw a huge tantrum a few years back when people pointed out that like half the stories he chose had really awful "twists" that usually amounted to 'surprise, it was actually sexual assault' and asked him to at least put content warnings or something beforehand so now the episodes have a really sarcastic 'this podcast is only for MATURE audiences' opening Mix, August 27, 2019, 06:12:32 am
Not only is there a podcast that just involves reading posts from this subreddit, it's a PREMIUM podcast that just reads posts from this subreddit!
I ended up listening to the first couple of seasons you could get for free a few years back and never went further because the free content wasn't interesting enough to warrant paying a subscription. Doesn't surprise me that the guy running it was kind of a dickhead!
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Post by: KingKalamari on August 27, 2019, 09:40:58 am
I actually went through a period of a few years, back when the whole creepypasta thing was just starting to emerge as a thing, where I was pretty big into reading through scary stories on the internet and even back then you saw a lot of the same problems with these stories cropping up again and again.
Stray observations: - The whole "Don't be a buzzkill" rule seems like it was specifically set up to stifle any sort of criticism or constructive discussion of the actual writing process. - The fact that so many creepypastas are set up as some kind of Blair Witch "found footage" story really works against them as it puts this expectation into people's head that they have to be "realistic" or "plausible", which in practice leads to a glut of boring "I met a serial killer" stories. - Probably the most common writing mistake I'd always see in bad creepypasta was 'useless tiny detail fetish'. - The other big problem most bad creepypasta has is a weird need on the part of the writer to just explain fucking everything and leave absolutely no mystery or unsolved questions. Because, as we all know, mystery is completely antithetical to horror! - I want to see a story where the main character is a hit-man, but it's entirely incidental to the story. Like, it's a story about a guy who's a contract killer who runs into a dracula in the basement of his apartment complex on his day off. - Why is everyone so obsessed with the dark web?
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Post by: EYE OF ZA on August 27, 2019, 10:22:12 am
I can see the don't be a buzzkill rule as well-intentioned. Remember that this is reddit, so people making comments are going to be way more "um actually" than constructive, and it's hard to make an enforceable rule about "any criticism has to be constructive" because everyone will think THEIR useless tiny detail fetish is constructive and everyone else's is just being mean and unhelpful. Plus, "this is all so fake" is a really annoying thing to hear when you're telling a ghost story. The rule they've got is way overcorrecting though. Just say "we know none of these stories actually happened, comments to that effect will be deleted."
I think the found-footage shtick has to do with the reddit format, where they're trying to write it like they're telling reddit about something that happened to them. I've vaguely considered posting some horror stuff I've written to reddit to see how it'd be received, but it seems like part of the keyfabe is the "this actually happened!" format, and they'd be less receptive to something told as a traditional narrative.
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Post by: Seth "Slimy" Rollins on August 27, 2019, 11:46:09 am
yeah i kind of agree that the 'don't be a buzzkill' rule is fairly ok for the format and the kind of writing it tries to be, like real horror stories stuff. for what it's worth there was another subreddit i found on nosleep that wasn't linked in the doc in any way that was some sort of workshop for people to actually critique and comment on people's stories that they wanted to post, so i think the rule makes more sense when you consider that nosleep is supposed to be where people posted their 'finished/refined' stuff. i mean, that's not the case because redditors tend to think what they do is perfect the first go and you can't criticize but w/e
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Post by: rhorsman on August 27, 2019, 06:40:42 pm
That This Heat album that includes the outro song also has their song "SPQR", aka the third weirdest thing to make me cry in the last few years. So good onya, whoever the This Heat fan ridiculist is.
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: Borgy-Le-Borg on August 27, 2019, 08:30:30 pm
I had a reply all typed out. Then my power went out and when I turned my PC back on, a hyper-realistic Waluigi crying tears of blood appeared on my screen and the DK Rap started blaring out of my speakers backwards. So thanks for that.
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Post by: KendrickLobstar on August 27, 2019, 08:59:32 pm
The concept that a banana is “raw” is throwing me for a loop more than anything else in this episode
… it’s a banana
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Post by: Deep 13 on August 27, 2019, 09:07:03 pm
Ah I love creepypasta episodes so much! For some reason, failed attempts to scare are just the funniest to me.
I too tried the podcast version of NoSleep back in the day where I still thought there might be actually entertaining creepypasta out there, and the fact that the podcast was keeping me from actually having to spend time on Reddit seemed like a plus. I was foolishly hoping that the podcast was curating these stories and only, I dunno, good stuff would get in, but of course that was hopelessly naive. There were always really bad ones on every episode of the podcast, some of which wouldn't have been at all out of place on this doc. The kind of stuff where you just want to know just how the writer thought any of it was scary.
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: SHAMBA~1.SBB on August 27, 2019, 09:29:52 pm
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: adrenochrome dome on August 27, 2019, 09:38:40 pm
I appreciated Nutshell's deep cryptid reference to the snallygaster.
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: SHAMBA~1.SBB on August 27, 2019, 11:03:12 pm
Same with "Plantagenets" during the banana story.
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Post by: Dr. Buttplug on August 28, 2019, 07:57:51 am
Man, that monster box escort mission story made me pine for the days of "OMG and then a skeleton popped out!"
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: KingKalamari on August 28, 2019, 09:20:16 am
Man, that monster box escort mission story made me pine for the days of "OMG and then a skeleton popped out!" Dr. Buttplug, August 28, 2019, 07:57:51 am
Man, I've been on this forum too long because I just saw the word "monster" in that sentence and immediately auto-corrected the sentence to "A-N-A-L* escort mission"
* - Typed out weird to get past the monster cock filter
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: izzy on August 28, 2019, 02:37:10 pm
I think the main thing I've learned about this and the other creepypasta episode is that the most terrifying thing in the world is a buggy video game.
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Post by: Neal on August 28, 2019, 03:38:08 pm
I think the main thing I've learned about this and the other creepypasta episode is that the most terrifying thing in the world is a buggy video game. izzy, August 28, 2019, 02:37:10 pm
It is if you've never experienced anything other than a video game in your life.
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: Macho Masc Sangy Savage on August 28, 2019, 07:35:19 pm
I refuse to let boots' clever work on the opening go unrecognized any further:
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Post by: Vinny Possum on August 28, 2019, 09:18:51 pm
My favorite part of this ep was Isfahan getting mad about inaccuracies in how assassinations work, like he's an old hand at it.
Now I'm apprehensive about what he does for a living.
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Post by: EYE OF ZA on August 28, 2019, 09:52:29 pm
That's not how you kill!
...er, a gun. That's not how you kill a gun.
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Post by: ClaraTinSoldier on August 28, 2019, 10:24:38 pm
My favorite part of this ep was Isfahan getting mad about inaccuracies in how assassinations work, like he's an old hand at it.
he is/was a member of the armed forces. he kills people with guns.
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: KendrickLobstar on August 28, 2019, 10:29:08 pm
I fondly remember the days of assassination school in the Army where an extremely skilled Master Sergeant would instruct us on leaving behind as much evidence as possible, and remind us to run away without our boots
clearly that author had the same prestigious instructors
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: Boots Raingear on August 28, 2019, 11:24:06 pm
I fondly remember the days of assassination school in the Army where an extremely skilled Master Sergeant would instruct us on leaving behind as much evidence as possible, and remind us to run away without our boots
When they first mentioned that every post on nosleep is treated as real, I thought that could be a cool idea. However, that invalidates the whole purpose of a good horror story. Any good horror story makes you question your own reality or a truth of society, without a required rule. The rules of nosleep mean that authors just assume their story is breaking the reality of the reader. As a result, these writers just fill the story with as many irrelevant details because they do not need to define or support the horror element that breaks the reader's reality. They write so much because they know the highly upvoted stories have a bunch of words. So they end up pushing the horror into the background or not even having horror (like the hitman stories).
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: Dawnswalker on September 01, 2019, 08:57:29 pm
I was thinking that maybe the Banana Story could actually be onto something, until I realized that it was basically what The Langoliers would have been if it took place in some nerd's kitchen and if a touch of cocaine hadn't been involved.
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Post by: Wrought on September 01, 2019, 10:39:54 pm
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Post by: Diploskull on September 13, 2019, 11:37:03 pm
I listen to the nosleep podcast, mostly out of habit at this point. The stories they read on there are better, but also a lot are really stupid. There was a recent one about a teacher who wore a yellow shirt, a student called him Mr banana. He then slowly went mad calling himself Mr. Banana and cooking banana bread for his class that eventually included his hair, nail clippings, and blood. Then he got fired and tried to peel himself.
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: Dawnswalker on September 25, 2019, 11:46:59 pm
I'm bored and I've been drinking, so everyone post your actual favourite creepypasta because I know you've got 'em.
Despite the framing device, I unironically like Pale Luna (https://creepypasta.fandom.com/wiki/Pale_Luna) because (and this is the missing link in a lot of these stories) it's actually written like a real short story.
Title: 309: !sleep
Post by: EYE OF ZA on September 26, 2019, 02:00:59 am
It's a bit messy cause it was a series of posts on 4chan's "paranormal" board, but the Goatman story (https://creepypasta.fandom.com/wiki/Anansi%27s_Goatman_Story) is one of the few that actually works for me.
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Post by: Hux on September 26, 2019, 02:15:07 am
creepypastas have a special place in my heart. i don’t actually like any of them anymore since they take me back to middle school and that was a dark time. naturally i graduated to nosleep at some point.
i have a list of nosleep stories that i really like, i used to frequent the place way back when. there’s a few that are pretty popular, like penpal and borrasca. i enjoyed both, personally. one of my favorites is the spire in the woods, which isn’t framed like reddit posts but rather like an actual story. there’s also this one series about this guy that keeps finding staircases in the woods, i think the series is informally called search and rescue woods? but yeah that one is super cool and one of the best premises i’ve seen for a horror mystery series. the infected town series was also pretty cool but it got way out of hand and eventually just became too tedious to follow. the lily madwhip series is good in its own right, even if it’s cheesy. one of the few original ideas on there that isn’t super edgy. i feel like most of the good nosleep posts are the ones that don’t fit the intended format where everyone’s supposed to play along. there are exceptions to this, though. i gotta find that list i made because it was pretty extensive.
also i gotta agree with milkshake, the goatman greentext series was really awesome and i really like the way that story was told. it’s a good format that seems like it would be a joke but it was executed really well. there was a weird realism to the way it was told that i can’t explain. in general /x/ is a trashfire but it does spawn some interesting content from time to time.
yes i spent my entire junior and senior years of high school reading nosleep and i’m sad that it went downhill after becoming really popular. that probably sounds pretentious. but it was so much easier to wade through the terrible shit to find the good stuff(there’s always been terrible shit on there). i have a massive amount of knowledge on internet horror stories and ARGs. yes, finally my useless collection of spoopy internet tales will be useful.
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Post by: Dr. Buttplug on September 26, 2019, 08:43:43 am
SCP-087 (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-087) was the one that you could point at and say "some of these are good" but it seems more and more the outlier. Creepy Pasta, much like fan fiction, has to be sectioned off from capital F fiction because 99% of it is doo doo garbage.
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Post by: KingKalamari on September 26, 2019, 09:33:41 am
SCP-087 (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-087) was the one that you could point at and say "some of these are good" but it seems more and more the outlier. Creepy Pasta, much like fan fiction, has to be sectioned off from capital F fiction because 99% of it is doo doo garbage. Dr. Buttplug, September 26, 2019, 08:43:43 am
SCP-093 (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-093), SCP-035 (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-035), SCP-140 (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-140) and SCP-701 (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-701) are also some of the better ones. I find that the SCPs were at their best when they focused on being inexplicable and conveying the sense that there's a much larger story of which the reader is only getting a small chunk rather than trying too hard to be edgy, spooky or dangerous.
I remember the last time I went through the SCP archives I was disappointed by how many of the entries were just "It's some kind of thing that injects an egg into people like a parasitic wasp", which is an admittedly scary concept, but not one that needed to be repeated in every fifth SCP.
Another favorite is SCP-1171 (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1171), though that one is far more jokey than the standard entry.
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Post by: Wrought on September 26, 2019, 11:20:45 am
The best scps are just the weird benign ones, like the vending machine that gives you weird shit depending on what you put into it that has like an entire page of results. The worst ones are the ones where people try and expand on the "lore" by bringing up stuff like the Church of the Broken God or other recurring elements. The best part of scps is that you just get a short ~500 word concept piece that you get to think about on your own terms, when people try and put them into their own stories it just turns out bad.
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Post by: KingKalamari on September 26, 2019, 12:07:38 pm
The best scps are just the weird benign ones, like the vending machine that gives you weird shit depending on what you put into it that has like an entire page of results. The worst ones are the ones where people try and expand on the "lore" by bringing up stuff like the Church of the Broken God or other recurring elements. The best part of scps is that you just get a short ~500 word concept piece that you get to think about on your own terms, when people try and put them into their own stories it just turns out bad. Wrought, September 26, 2019, 11:20:45 am
Ugh, I had almost forgotten about that Church of the Broken God garbage. Nothing kills the horror faster than when the creators start trying to create some kind of DEEP and EXPANSIVE MYTHOLOGY. Even shit like Lovecraft and the Cthulhu Mythos work so much better when it was just the same couple of names and gods that got referenced in unrelated stories as opposed to when people tried to make an actual mythology or whatever.
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Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on September 26, 2019, 01:32:22 pm
"This strange God is unfathomable and unknowable! Heres some info about its stats"
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Post by: Hux on September 26, 2019, 03:23:09 pm
the tickle monster scp is the best one and none of the others come close. http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-999 (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-999) i do miss when scp was finding weird images on the internet and writing a brief explanation for them accompanied by (maybe) a simple story. even though it's stupid, i also like the plague doctor mask scp guy, i think it's scp-049. it's probably just because i like plague doctors though. it also reminds me of r/medievaldoctor, which is a fantastic subreddit.
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Post by: Dr. Buttplug on September 27, 2019, 08:25:28 am
Hey these were fun, looks like the animator is still making them.
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Post by: Wrought on September 27, 2019, 09:08:53 am
Yeah those are cute but again it's largely because they don't take the subject material too seriously
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Post by: Neal on February 26, 2020, 10:06:48 pm
So apparently the nosleep subreddit is trying to... unionize? (https://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3606479/nosleep-goes-dark/) Or something?
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Post by: Wrought on February 26, 2020, 11:38:32 pm
Good, actually! There are a lot of problems with the creepy pasta community at large and there have been for a long time, and now that everything is more homogeneous and less distinct than ever, the biggest issue is people who essentially take these stories, read them, and then post videos to profit off of them without giving proper credit. I don't know how effective it'll be, but if the authors can gain more power in the community that honestly has an increasingly parasitic relationship with them, it can only mean good things. The only people with any real power are the people profiting off of this shit on YouTube, and they rarely if ever (not at all in my experience tbqh) even ask if they can use a story before they put it in their videos and absolutely never offer any of the profits to the authors. People like to jab at bogleech because hes very litigious about not letting anyone narrate his stories on YouTube but honestly I can't fucking blame him. The big narrators on YouTube will fuck literally anyone over to make money.
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Post by: Great Joe on February 27, 2020, 03:51:48 am
This is a level beyond "OC don't steal"
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Post by: eldritchhat on February 27, 2020, 07:50:03 pm
The creepypasta episode is still my favorite, since everything from the doc to the cold open to the music choice felt perfect and tailor-made for me, but this is most definitely a fantastic follow-up. I especially like that the end reflected upon how no-sleep relates to the rest of creepypasta as a genre. I've written my own horror stories since middle school (luckily, I did not post the ones I wrote in middle school), and I tried writing for No-Sleep for a good bit in high school (this (https://inksepulchre.neocities.org/Stories/The-SKINNY-Film.html) is probably the least embarrassing out of the stuff I dumped there). Honestly, my development really did follow the arc that Boots and the readers laid out, at that stage I had improved enough to have some vague ideas of what I should do, but I was too invested in emulating more popular work to actually understand what made those stories work. I think I have grown out of a lot of those bad habits, but I'm just a college student, so there are plenty more that I need to get over with practice.
In regards to how I feel about creepypasta as a whole, I think I'm in line with a few people here in saying that it's a complicated relationship. I agree that Pale Luna is a legitimately good short story that is somewhat weighed down with its association to the haunted game phenomenon, but I also think some of the good nuggets in that dense mountain of trash have contributed to refined work (PETSCOP, in particular, stands out). My stance on the protest of No-Sleep's community is generally positive because, even if it is a bit absurd when considering the quality exhibited in this episode, there are still constructive elements of the space that should be preserved. I think that one of the understated through-lines of the F-Plus podcast is that there is value in archiving the internet as it exists, even if most of it is terrible and benign, because there is still meaning to be found in the mess of it all. If that were not the case, then I'm not really sure why the podcast has gone on as long as it has, or why this forum exists at all.
To be clear, though, I fully acknowledge that the creepypasta "fandom" (or whatever) is both bizarre and often toxic. I wasn't around for /X/, back then I was just watching Pikmin walkthroughs on the family computer, but I understand enough to know that it was... 4chan. I read from the wiki, no-sleep, SCP, and those weird side blogs like the one mined for the old creepypasta episode. I never fully left from that sort of world, I mostly just shifted spheres. Nowadays, I submit to Bogleech's annual contest and keep my own site for the stories I feel worth sharing. Coming from my own perspective, I understand why the writers on nosleep want some level of ownership for their own work, even if it's often shoddy.
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Post by: Mix on March 04, 2020, 01:51:12 pm