ballp.it
Projects => The F Plus => Topic started by: Lemon on August 01, 2014, 10:28:18 pm
-
with Boots Raingear, John Toast, Isfahan, Portaxx, and Lemon.
Content for this episode was compiled by Yellow Jester.
Edited by Isfahan.
What is the value of art? That's very difficult to say. It's possible to get your art to sell for hundreds of millions of dollars, but first you'll have to be dead and have your life's work liquidated by David Geffen. If you're unlucky, you're a webcomic author, constantly making Tumblr posts advertising your work to an audience of nobody waiting for the day that everything hits big. And that's where Patreon comes in. A crowdfunding service with no possible benefit for the world, Patreon wants to turn whiny, self-important Best Buy shelf-stockers into whiny, self important internet celebrities. This week, The F Plus can finally buy the special paper.
-
If there was one lesson I would want to impart to everybody in the world, and that this episode reinforced unshakably in my mind, it would be "Not everybody needs to be an artist."
I go to college for creative writing, and so many of my classmates there are people who aren't all that good at writing and who probably aren't all that interested in it, but the idea that being A Writer is some sort of mysterious and exceptional profession for the academic elite has been driven into their heads like a railroad spike by the hammer that is society's bizarre preconceptions about the arts, and so they sit around and drink coffee that they hate and wear shitty turtlenecks and turn in the most bullshit garbage writing assignments you'll ever see in your life, because all of that makes them A Writer, and therefore An Artist, and being An Artist makes you better than other people.
It doesn't.
Being a writer is a fucking job, like any other job somebody might have. The same goes for any other type of artist, be it a webcomic creator, a costume designer, or an animator. If you want to just do these things for fun on the side while having an actual job, that's totally okay and nobody is going to begrudge you for that! However, if you want to quit your job and become a full-time webcomicker/costumer/cartoon man, then you had better be damn willing to put in the work and time and diligence necessary to not have your life collapse in on itself. If you're not willing to do that, and instead go to Patreon to beg for donations so that you can continue to make your garbage webcomic, you are not an artist. Just like how somebody who puts on a hardhat, doesn't go to college, and charges fifty bucks to make people houses of cards by the side of the road wouldn't be an architect.
But it's fine if you're not an artist. You don't need to be an artist. You can make art and be anything. The only thing you shouldn't be is a pretentious fuck who thinks that people will throw money at your bullshit ugly webcomic just because it's there, and you think the fact that it's there means that you are special and superior for being a content creator. You aren't. Sit down, shut the fuck up, and be an adult with a job like everyone else on the planet.
This is kind of rambly and turned into something more about me than the episode - and I ended up parroting a little bit of what lemon said in the episode already - but fuck it, it's 4 AM and I wanted to vent.
-
Someone on SA got strangely defensive about this episode, which leads me to believe they've got a finger in this pie. Here's what I posted to them in response:
I don't think any of us hate Patreon itself, nor do we hate the idea of Patreon any more than we hated the idea of Kickstarter. It's the workflow that people are trying to bend Patreon's system to support that's the source of the groans.
Consider a busker. The way busking works is the person plays on their guitar or saxophone or violin or whatever and, for those few moments of enhanced ambience that comes from walking by them, you throw in a dollar or a handful of change or what have you. Now, whether you throw in no money at all or a twenty, that busker continues playing. Maybe they make eye contact with you and smile or something, but the busker provides the same amount of music either way. Is the busker there to make money? Absolutely. They do not, however, stand there tapping a foot, waiting for someone to pay them to start playing, nor do they start a few notes as someone approaches and then conspicuously stop as they pass by, clearing their throat and looking down at their guitar case. You gotta do it because you love it, not because you think it'd be a fun way to make money. You gotta keep doing it and doing it and getting exposure while sucking it up and hoping to break through. That's why goddamn everyone isn't getting into the Internet-artist gig. You have to let your product speak for itself. Nobody's going to give money to a busker who is just tapping a foot impatiently, thinking he's got it coming.
Plenty of Patreon accounts get it right. They are the people already creating what they would be creating regardless. They're already playing the music before you're even around to hear it.
A lot of the folks we read were looking at their Patreon income and thinking "as soon as I make it to X dollars per whatever, I can go tell my boss to shove it and do this full time!" I think that's the wrong way to look at it. Patreon as a revenue stream can be extremely volatile, especially after people realize what they're now on the hook for as a content creator. Supporters can pull their support, and they don't have to explain themselves. It's not the cake, it's the cherry on top.
Most of our subjects for this episode fell into one of those two categories: the pay-me-to-start-creating people, or the wanna-quit-my-job people. That's the source of amusement. That's the reason they were in the episode.
-
Yeah, Patreon seems like a good way for a creative person who already has a solid fanbase to try and get some money out of it. I know the guy who does Gunnerkrigg Court (http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/) has one, for instance, and I could definitely see tossing him a few bucks because that comic is the shit. But this is the internet, so for every creative person putting a lot of effort into making their artistic vision a reality there are ten assholes who want to slap their hands against a keyboard and then just soak in the praise for having the bravery to do so.
-
I didn't think much of it when I saw it yesterday but I am pretty sure I delivered a postcard from Pateron thanking them from their support that included a sketch of a shark with four legs.
-
I didn't think much of it when I saw it yesterday but I am pretty sure I delivered a postcard from Pateron thanking them from their support that included a sketch of a shark with four legs.
WhiteBoyShuffle, August 02, 2014, 10:44:56 am
There are so many things wrong with this sentence....
Also, you should start a log of all the interesting things you find as a postal worker. I'd love to know what weird shit people don't think to put in opaque packages....
-
I didn't think much of it when I saw it yesterday but I am pretty sure I delivered a postcard from Pateron thanking them from their support that included a sketch of a shark with four legs.
WhiteBoyShuffle, August 02, 2014, 10:44:56 am
That sounds familiar, did the shark sketch look like this?
(http://i.imgur.com/E0fBSH7.jpg)
It's a little pet/mascot creature from a fantasy webcomic by a Finnish artist called Prague Race (http://praguerace.smackjeeves.com).
Glad to read Isfahan's clarification. I haven't listened to the episode yet, but after reading the same post on SA last night, I was kinda giving it some side-eye. No, I don't have a Patreon, but I do a lot of 'hobby' art, i.e. I make money from it, but it doesn't pay my mortgage, and I've thought about making one to offset things like materials and website hosting costs (and drinking money). I think a lot of artists just get defensive easily if they perceive someone questioning the monetary worth of their work, since people demanding free art, or work for 'exposure' is unfortunately the norm.
-
I didn't think much of it when I saw it yesterday but I am pretty sure I delivered a postcard from Pateron thanking them from their support that included a sketch of a shark with four legs.
WhiteBoyShuffle, August 02, 2014, 10:44:56 am
There are so many things wrong with this sentence....
Also, you should start a log of all the interesting things you find as a postal worker. I'd love to know what weird shit people don't think to put in opaque packages....
nigeline, August 02, 2014, 02:11:50 pm
I had to read it again, but that isn't my best writing.
The only thing that has stood out so far was that someone shipped a playground ball. Not even in a box or anything, just slapped a label on it and had it delivered.
-
I have a lot of dumb shit to say about Patreon, art, and laziness, but Mister Smalls gets my bulb for condensing pretty much everything I was going to say into something clear and insightful. I'll probably still preach to the choir later, but for now I'll just say "ditto" to his post.
So right now, instead of talking about Patreon specifically, I'm going to address something that seems to come up almost every single episode:
Now, I understand that not everybody has listened to every single F+ episode, so not everyone's fully familiar with what we do 100% of the time. However, after almost 150 episodes let me point out that we do not just randomly attack people for no reason. Sometimes the episode's subjects are mocked themselves, but those are the subjects that are just flat-out stupid. Multiples, "psychics," a country made up of nerds who inhabit invincible robo-dragon bodies... dumb stuff like that. Other times, the theme is just a thread that ties together weird or stupid posts. Nobody cares if you're childfree, are into girls with glasses, enjoy fanfiction, cosplay, occasionally chew ice, have an unusual wedding, write poetry, or have a project on Kickstarter... as long as you don't use that as a springboard to act like a crazy idiotic jerkoff.
I saw the SA post Isfahan's referring to, so it seems like this is something people forget the instant the episode's about something they like. Yeah, a few of the jokes themselves might be cheap shots at your interests, but I'm sure you'll survive one or two people saying "ha ha, watching a kid show is silly" when it's not even directed towards you personally. What some folks struggle to understand is that the whole episode is not "wow it's so stupid that some people like cartoons! Ha ha what idiots! LIKING CARTOONS AND WHATNOT! HAAA HAAAA!" I mean what the fuck, that wouldn't even be funny. That'd just be boring as shit. Can you imagine a whole episode of nothing but "some people... DON'T have kids? Whaaaaaaat? How can a person not have kids?!!? As in, zero children! Huuuhhh???" or "some people make... costumes?? That's not something everyone does!!"? That's not what we do here, for a variety of reasons.
So this is just a note to everyone who listens to any episode in the future: If you're worried that the newest episode is the one where we drastically change our format and spend an hour mocking regular, harmless people who are calmly minding their own business, worry no longer! Because it's never going to fucking happen. Be free of stress and continue writing your novels, making your comics, watching Sherlock, and frotting all the live long day! Because we don't really care as long as you don't use it as an excuse to shout utter madness to the world!
... now if you're an otherkin who writes massive essays about how you staple MSPaint My Little Pony art to people's faces as a way to bring awareness to the plight of your fictive headmates' mass marriage to fatpride!Loki not being recognized by the government? Then yeah, you should probably worry about being made fun of, both in the podcast and everywhere else on the planet.
-
I didn't think much of it when I saw it yesterday but I am pretty sure I delivered a postcard from Pateron thanking them from their support that included a sketch of a shark with four legs.
WhiteBoyShuffle, August 02, 2014, 10:44:56 am
There are so many things wrong with this sentence....
Also, you should start a log of all the interesting things you find as a postal worker. I'd love to know what weird shit people don't think to put in opaque packages....
nigeline, August 02, 2014, 02:11:50 pm
I had to read it again, but that isn't my best writing.
The only thing that has stood out so far was that someone shipped a playground ball. Not even in a box or anything, just slapped a label on it and had it delivered.
WhiteBoyShuffle, August 02, 2014, 05:29:36 pm
Hah, wow, and they weren't worried it would get deflated.
I didn't mean your writing, by the way! I more meant the idea of the creator of a four legged-shark cartoon spending hard-earned Patreon money to send out thank you postcards.
-
Is "Riveting Refuse" a tag yet
-
I wanted to post a brief defense of Patreon, as it does serve as a service to established artists, by raising money for rehearsal time or publishing costs or mailing expenses or paid commission work. There are lots of things that require more cash that take time and effort away from doing the art itself, and by sourcing it through Patreon can offer a convenient way to let art consumers support artists for the direct purpose of enriching their lives. I don’t think any rational person is using it as a substitute for working or on empty promises.
That said, there are plenty of no-talent ass-clowns who think that just because they have a crappy concept for a web comic, they deserve your support. It’s fine, just don’t give them anything, and let their mom be their only supportive patron.
Protip: Don’t joke about buying video games with potential donation money, idiot.
-
By the way Lemon, I can't wait for the Go Fund Me episode. And then, after that, the bitcoin-only Kickstarter knockoff episode.
There's always more and it's always scammier.
-
I actually looked around on Go Fund Me. That one will be a tough nut, since a lot of them are about needing to pay medical bills, funeral costs, and disabled living modifications.
Although, I bet there is something there, if you dig deep enough.
-
I'd make the Go Fund Me episode as I've found some nice things for it, but I kind of want to know if someone already did that already and I can save myself the time.
-
I actually looked around on Go Fund Me. That one will be a tough nut, since a lot of them are about needing to pay medical bills, funeral costs, and disabled living modifications.
FattyBoBatty, August 03, 2014, 05:42:25 am
Yeah, Go Fund Me is explicitly a charity site. I don't think anybody goes into Go Fund Me with the idea of getting something in return for their donation.
-
The only way a GoFundMe episode would fly is if the subjects are unabashedly using it for selfish purposes.
-
I checked that site out a few months ago doing some research for a project and noticed there were a bunch of local listings from the catholic church on campus. I guess a dozen people all got the idea to ask Go Fund Me independently or in groups of 2 or three to give them money so they could go on a spring break field trip to see the pope make some speech. Most of the descriptions were copy pasted things about how important it is that they ~grow spiritually by seeing the holy ceremony of somethingorother~. I'm not mocking Catholicism here. I'm mocking the rich as fuck campus church telling their rich as fuck youth to beg for money online, and that none of them had the sense to make a real personal appeal.
-
I was ready to do a GoFundMe doc, but I couldn't find enough meaty material to make for a solid podcast. It's the least verbal of the funding sites, and from my perusal, there wasn't enough examples to make for a complete episode.
Also, there are some genuinely hard luck cases on there, and it made me feel bad for attempting to find humor amongst them.
-
While Go Fund Me is a no go, here's Thunderclap. (https://www.thunderclap.it/) It's basically Kickstarter: Tumblr Edition. Complete with "Signal Boosting."
-
While Go Fund Me is a no go, here's Thunderclap. (https://www.thunderclap.it/) It's basically Kickstarter: Tumblr Edition. Complete with "Signal Boosting."
FattyBoBatty, August 03, 2014, 03:17:54 pm
Wow, this is incredibly stupid.
-
Just read the discussion on SA, and it made me remember why I stopped posting there. So much grandstanding and post shaming disguised as conversation.
The instigators keep saying it wasn't all that funny, but not all of it is supposed to be. And if they don't find it funny, they probably have never sunk all their money into a creative pursuit because they had to. Their defensive stance reeks of someone who probably gives a lot of expendable income to artists and creators on the internet. That's a good thing! We need those!
But the clear stance the episode takes is that there is no shortcut to quitting your job and becoming self-sustaining. You have to work your ass off, sacrifice a lot of fun to pay for your projects, and make sure they get seen. Maybe if you don't live that life, or know a lot of people personally who do, then this one isn't for you.
And fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. It's hysterical that someone would be offended at the subject matter of an episode full of dorks who want money for the privilege to write and draw for the world. This show is so offensive and gross and scummy, but untalented hacks wanting the internet to pay their rent on a monthly basis is a step too far?
I really like it when I see listeners say "Oh, no, this one might be a bit too much for me, but I'll listen anyway..." Instead of making a stink about hating the idea of an episode and verbosely criticizing the show without listening. The people who feel that personal apprehension and listen are the kind of people who really learn and grow in this world.
Anyway, enough grandstanding and post-shaming. Give me money.
-
Wait wait wait. What's this about a bitcoin only Kickstarter clone?
Incidentally, if you want to find something stupid on GoFundMe you should check out the "Creative" and "Other" sections.
Save the Dallas Commune!
So we ran into some snags setting this thing up. Our "comrades" decided that hard drugs were more important than moving forward with our beautiful vision of an anarchist-activist space in Dallas.
With your donations we will have the breathing room needed to begin our journey together!
"Gimme money so I can give money to Rob Zombie Kickstarter."
http://www.gofundme.com/ci1tnc
"Can we biologically extend the range of human vision into the near infrared?"
http://www.gofundme.com/6hhs5o
"The following are Canadian Operrrratives that have infiltrated our government."
http://www.gofundme.com/wellaware1
"Cosplay Documentation with Google Glass "
http://www.gofundme.com/32tkt0
-
I think that the part that made everyone angry was the entitlement, and the assumption among these people that they are God's gift to the world. Someone on SA has accused the podcast of making a "bootstraps" argument, without realizing that there is nothing wrong with it in this case. The "invisible hand" libertarian philosophy is bullshit when applied to things society actually needs, however it is spot on when it comes to arts and entertainment. No one needs to be an artist. With Web 2.0, if you're good at what you do you eventually will get noticed and find a job or commission work. You just have to try, or have something innovative. This is not the 19th century when you had to keep blowing a gallery curator for several years for a chance of having your work exhibited.
-
"Gimme money so I can give money to Rob Zombie Kickstarter."
http://www.gofundme.com/ci1tnc
montrith, August 04, 2014, 11:08:12 am
This is such a mindfuck. Rob Zombie has a page on something called FanBacked to raise money for a fucking terrible looking movie which is pretty much the plot of the game Manhunt. How much money does he need? How much money did he get? None of your fucking business!
Meanwhile, William Bell noticed there's a $5,000 tier to be an extra in this terrible looking movie, so Bill wants you to give him $5,000 so he can give $5,000 to Rob Zombie. Also:
There was a great question asked earlier. The question was, "What happens if I don't reach the goal"? If we get close to goal, we'll make up the difference and press on. If it's not even close, we'll split the total 50/50 to two charities, I was thinking Fisher House to take care of the military folks and veterans, and Scares that Care for the horror folks that contributed to my endeavor. I'm not sure if there is a way to refund people's money once they donate, so that is Plan B.William Bell
Also while we're at it, Rob Zombie hates these damn kids (http://gawker.com/rob-zombie-wants-noisy-skate-park-kids-off-his-lawn-1032087265).
-
Wait wait wait. What's this about a bitcoin only Kickstarter clone?montrith, August 04, 2014, 11:08:12 am
What's this about two bitcoin only kickstarter clones?
https://bitcoinstarter.com/
Revenge Doll Ltd. is registered trademark since year 2013. We are from small country called Bulgaria. Before 1 year we start to produce a revolutionary Revenge Doll (RDoll) VooDoo Dolls, after we grab the attention of Bulgarian media and newspapers we finally decide to step on the world market with our new world models. At this moment we have about 10 models and we promise to release a new one every week.We just pick an average size villain/asshole* mix him with a little bit of mediocre humor and the result is a small voodoo doll that makes us smile every time we look at it. You finally have the chance to take revenge on the people you don't like as you hang them in you car/office or stick some voodoo needles in their body.*Any resemblance to real persons is purely coincident and it's only in your head :) (http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0382/1085/products/DSC07443_1024x1024.JPG?v=1403637319)
Link added by me.
Also, Give Victor a Pebble (https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/578)
http://coinfunder.com
This has "bounties", which sadly are empty except for a sample one, because there was an excellent opportunity for Ahaa! but with bitcoins.
-
Oh, bitcoinstarter has an invalid SSL certificate. And here expected everything to be super trustworthy.
-
Also, Give Victor a Pebble (https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/578)
EYE OF ZA, August 04, 2014, 06:12:38 pm
[yayvictor]?
-
Ok, this episode (at least the start anyway) really pissed me off. I'm not talking about your mocking of the actual people, more of the way you mocked the site as a whole. It seems like you didn't understand the legitimate use of the site. Sure there are people there that are lazy and assholes, but there are still so many people that do produce legitimate content and use the money from Patreon to further their creative endeavours, and you didn't acknowledge that at the start. You just seemed to look at it and go "Oh look, it's a website where people are given money for things, must be full of idiots!"
-
But Boots specifically said that Patreon can be used for good things. Was it truly upsetting to wait til the end of the episode for that disclaimer?
Someone on SA has accused the podcast of making a "bootstraps" argument, without realizing that there is nothing wrong with it in this case. The "invisible hand" libertarian philosophy is bullshit when applied to things society actually needs, however it is spot on when it comes to arts and entertainment.Cat Planet, August 04, 2014, 11:19:41 am
This is the internet, pal, put away your distinctions and nuances and start getting mad at someone.
-
This bitcoin thing is just as amazingly stupid as you'd expect.
"Please donate so I can make a crowdfunding site."
https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/336
Wanted! Someone to give me money for doodling.
https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/890
"A coin known by the shortform HKC or as HongKongCoin / HongKetoCoin needs a rescue team to help to get it back on all the relevant exchange websites. "
https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/891
-
Wanted! Someone to give me money for doodling.
https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/890montrith, August 05, 2014, 02:17:19 am
For shame, you call this a mere doodle?
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/159/2/d/anime_blue_haired_girl_chona_by_tayeeganomu-d7lkqdi.png)
-
Oh... Oh lord... What... What happened to her EVERYTHING?
Also, David Gonterman has to have some sort of crowdfunding campaign somewhere, right?
-
he did, it got a whole $37 out of the $2,500 he wanted (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1716370612/the-ballad-of-johnny-briz)
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9fghasVa11rugltbo1_1280.jpg)
-
Wanting to animate each verse of the Bible is all the proof you need that person hasn't actually read the Bible.
^^^ This is my response to the image posted above, minus the heart. ^^^ (http://ballp.it/index.php?topic=1295.msg34051#msg34051)
-
he did, it got a whole $37 out of the $2,500 he wanted (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1716370612/the-ballad-of-johnny-briz)
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9fghasVa11rugltbo1_1280.jpg)
Tiny Prancer, August 05, 2014, 04:43:35 am
Thank you Prancer. You're doing God's work.
-
Just throwing this out there: Furry bible comics! The story with the bear attacking those kids would look completely different under that one...
-
Just throwing this out there: Furry bible comics! The story with the bear attacking those kids would look completely different under that one...
Ambious, August 06, 2014, 08:15:01 am
And Lo, Jesus chased the traders from the temple of anthro-con, saying "This is my Fathers house, and thou art charging too much for commission."
-
Just throwing this out there: Furry bible comics! The story with the bear attacking those kids would look completely different under that one...
Ambious, August 06, 2014, 08:15:01 am
And Lo, Jesus chased the traders from the temple of anthro-con, saying "This is my Fathers house, and thou art charging too much for commission."
AgentCoop, August 06, 2014, 10:23:21 am
"Suffer the diaperfurs, and forbid them not to come unto me, for such is the kingdom of DeviantArt."
-
I kind of wish someone made a furry version of this to fit with this discussion:
(http://i.imgur.com/ANl4lqO.jpg)
Having carebears or some other form of anthropomorphic bear replace the bear in this would be perfect.
-
A furry version of the bible? Guys, need I remind you that the original bible has a talking donkey?: Numbers 22:21-39 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+22%3A21-39)
-
Pfft, does it have sex?
Also - a furry version of the bible, upon further reflection, would just be the Greek Mythology.... Was Zeus the first furry?
I kind of wish someone made a furry version of this to fit with this discussion:
(http://i.imgur.com/ANl4lqO.jpg)
Having carebears or some other form of anthropomorphic bear replace the bear in this would be perfect.
A Meat, August 06, 2014, 06:16:03 pm
MFW Elijah rode to the heavens on a flaming chariot:
(http://i.imgur.com/oJwQNo5.gif)
Which reminds me - did we have an alien-encounters/ancient-aliens/anything-UFO related episode?
I'm betting there's liquid gold in those communities.
-
I only had time to listen to part of this episode but it is a part I was familiar with so I have something small to add.
Modest Medusa is not only a Patreon project but its 3 books have also been Kickstarted.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-1 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-1)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-2 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-2)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-3 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-3)
All three managed to go beyond their original goals so you may like to check out the rewards people snatched. Like Season 1 hats for $350.
Then in Season 3:
$14,500 Goal COMPLETED! I'll hire an assistant to help me handle Kickstarter fulfillment. This will mean that your books and stuff will get packaged and shipped as fast as possible (or at least faster than I could do it on my own)!
$18,500 Goal: I'll get a Modest Medusa tattoo. That won't mean anything for you, but it'll be cool for me!
$21,000 Goal: I'll get a Full Metal Alchemist Homunculi tattoo [ODD: An anime symbol], and I'll try to get my brothers and my sister to get matching ones. Why? Why not!
This comic was too fucking boring for even 4chan to react to in any way despite the author trying some viral marketing there. Webcomics are shit but I really can't really explain how comics like this one manage to take off in this day and age. Boring shit like PvPonline and PennyArcade sail on thanks to early-internet inertia, but how do new boring comics get loyal readers?
Is the success of this one all thanks to Deviantart naga fetishists?
-
fetishists
Odd, August 08, 2014, 11:00:24 pm
Penises will do things brains would never do.
-
I only had time to listen to part of this episode but it is a part I was familiar with I have something small to add.
Modest Medusa is not only a Patreon project but its 3 books have also been Kickstarted.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-1 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-1)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-2 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-2)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-3 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/232860137/modest-medusa-season-3)
All three managed to go beyond their original goals so you may like to check out the rewards people snatched. Like Season 1 hats for $350.
Then in Season 3:
$14,500 Goal COMPLETED! I'll hire an assistant to help me handle Kickstarter fulfillment. This will mean that your books and stuff will get packaged and shipped as fast as possible (or at least faster than I could do it on my own)!
$18,500 Goal: I'll get a Modest Medusa tattoo. That won't mean anything for you, but it'll be cool for me!
$21,000 Goal: I'll get a Full Metal Alchemist Homunculi tattoo [ODD: An anime symbol], and I'll try to get my brothers and my sister to get matching ones. Why? Why not!
This comic was too fucking boring for even 4chan to react to in any way despite the author trying some viral marketing there. Webcomics are shit but I really can't really explain how comics like this one manage to take off in this day and age. Boring shit like PvPonline and PennyArcade sail on thanks to early-internet inertia, but how do new boring comics get loyal readers?
Is the success of this one all thanks to Deviantart naga fetishists?
Odd, August 08, 2014, 11:00:24 pm
My only explanation is nerd bait. From what little I've seen of this comic it makes a ton of references to nerdy shit that bland geeks lap up like kittens to milk.
-
I can't shake the nagging feeling that I've seen something created by Jake Richmond before, but none of the other projects credited to him look at all familiar.
Maybe all bland gamer webcomic dorks just seem the same.
-
My only explanation is nerd bait. From what little I've seen of this comic it makes a ton of references to nerdy shit that bland geeks lap up like kittens to milk.
KingKalamari, August 09, 2014, 12:00:36 am
At least kittens lap up fresh milk:
Last time Medusa cosplayed as a Ninja Turtle, Chell from portal and Luffy from One Piece
Portal, that game from seven years ago? The game that was released during the Bush Administration? 2007, when the iPhone and the last Harry Potter book were released? Seven years ago! People are still referencing that shit? Seven years, that's a third of my lifetime ago.
There is one major advantage that kittens have over nerds, though: kittens grow up.
-
I have seen people in the year of our lord 2014 saying "oh man, I lost the game."
Yeah, that 'the game'.
-
Portal, that game from seven years ago? The game that was released during the Bush Administration? 2007, when the iPhone and the last Harry Potter book were released? Seven years ago! People are still referencing that shit? Seven years, that's a third of my lifetime ago.
Psammetichus, August 09, 2014, 12:17:05 am
To be fair, plenty of people reference nerdy things that are much older than seven years. I mean, just listen to some of the jokes the Ridiculists make.
-
I can usually handle infuriating internet bullshit, but this is definitely the episode that has made me grit my teeth the most. I still can't get over that first asshole that makes $682 a month. I'm not even an artist and this just goes over the limit for me.
-
I can't shake the nagging feeling that I've seen something created by Jake Richmond before, but none of the other projects credited to him look at all familiar.
Maybe all bland gamer webcomic dorks just seem the same.
Mister Smalls, August 09, 2014, 12:07:32 am
No. no. You are right!
Gah, your comment half dislodged a boredom-repressed memory. I'm almost certain I have seen fetish porn by him posted to 4chan waaaay back. His artstyle is very distinct.
But I didn't save it to my spray folders because it was nearly unremarkable and I never imaged that guy would cross paths with the F+ podcast. It was either lamia/naga porn or lamia vore porn. Needless to say the guy didn't start drawing snake ladies with this comic.
-
To be fair, plenty of people reference nerdy things that are much older than seven years. I mean, just listen to some of the jokes the Ridiculists make.
Lady Frenzy, August 09, 2014, 01:37:04 am
Well, excu-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-se me!
-
To be fair, plenty of people reference nerdy things that are much older than seven years. I mean, just listen to some of the jokes the Ridiculists make.
Lady Frenzy, August 09, 2014, 01:37:04 am
Well, excu-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-se me!Lemon, August 09, 2014, 12:57:21 pm
Ayyyyyyyy, sit on it!
-
I said it over on the SA topic, but I think what changes things a bit about this episode compared to the other crowdfunding ones is that there's a different balance of stupid. The Kickstarter and IndieGoGo episodes are, mostly, filled with complete goddamn idiots. Their idea is dumb, their execution is dumb, they are dumb, and nothing is done because it's all so stupid. It's like Fantendo, Ahhha, or the Idea Wiki in later stages; they've had to temper their brain vomit a little bit, but haven't done it nearly enough.
These Patreon idiots are mostly a different type of stupid; the slightly smarter kind, that has a better idea of what they're doing but hasn't spent enough time in the real world to realize how it works. There's still complete idiots here, just as there was still 'slightly clued-in but still oblivious' stupid in the other crowdfunding episodes, but it leads to a different sort of comedy. It's more partnered with episodes like NaNoWriMo, Troper Tales, and to a lesser extent the people who wanted in on Mars One, who just don't entirely have a grasp of the fact that they aren't special.
I can see being disappointed about that, because it requires a different sort of mindset coming in, and you might just enjoy the complete morons better than the self-important ones (personally I think the self-important ones are funnier on average, but the heights of complete idiots are higher). These guys are just as worthy of ridicule, but for different reasons, and it might be that people who don't like it are having trouble shifting those gears properly.
-
To be fair, plenty of people reference nerdy things that are much older than seven years. I mean, just listen to some of the jokes the Ridiculists make.
Lady Frenzy, August 09, 2014, 01:37:04 am
Well, excu-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-se me!Lemon, August 09, 2014, 12:57:21 pm
Ayyyyyyyy, sit on it!
Down10, August 09, 2014, 05:33:21 pm
Go easy, Mabel! Twenty-three skiddoo!
-
Forty-four Forty or fight! Tippecanoe and Tyler too!
-
Did anyone else notice that Terra Snover has a Patreon?
'cause Terra Snover has a Patreon (http://www.patreon.com/terrasnover).
-
Did anyone else notice that Terra Snover has a Patreon?
'cause Terra Snover has a Patreon (http://www.patreon.com/terrasnover).
Neal, November 19, 2014, 07:46:50 pm
"A comic about the crazy stuff I deal with in my life, and just about any random thought that pops into my head. Updates whenever I feel like it."
Go fuck yourself, lady.
-
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/patreon/43beb5c46abec0921deb823704bc1fe6.jpg)
What an exciting variety of characters.
-
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/patreon/43beb5c46abec0921deb823704bc1fe6.jpg)
What an exciting variety of characters.
Lemon, November 20, 2014, 12:42:54 am
<:U :/ U8 u: BU (・▽・) :|
-
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/patreon/43beb5c46abec0921deb823704bc1fe6.jpg)
What an exciting variety of characters.
Lemon, November 20, 2014, 12:42:54 am
<:U :/ U8 u: BU (・▽・) :|
portaxx, November 20, 2014, 01:27:15 am
Gulag Clown is my favorite?
-
The story of a transgender girl (Sam) who moves to a new town where her life goes nuts, dealing with the mob, crazed reality stars, and more. Everything that can go wrong seems to do just that. Her only solace is her new roommate Brit and her new friends.
(http://i.imgur.com/Q5TTupG.png)
I for one am excited to see more adventures of Ms. Fish Lips and her rugged friend. Just a reminder:
(http://i.imgur.com/NnRyGKM.jpg)
-
im the ever-trans-inclusive url MockGirl.com
-
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/patreon/43beb5c46abec0921deb823704bc1fe6.jpg)Lemon, November 20, 2014, 12:42:54 am
Still figuring out how hands work, I see.
-
"Ice cream for the wussies, is one of the bands name, not what food they have."
Flirting with word salad, is the wrong write techniques, not what Snover eats.
-
(http://i.imgur.com/NnRyGKM.jpg)
Cat Planet, November 20, 2014, 03:52:05 am
never forget
-
(http://i.imgur.com/NnRyGKM.jpg)
Cat Planet, November 20, 2014, 03:52:05 am
never forget
AgentCoop, November 20, 2014, 02:54:25 pm
The F+ Island of Misfit Toys is that stump, the Gamers Hip Clip, and the hands-free microwave.
-
The F+ Island of Misfit Toys is that stump, the Gamers Hip Clip, and the hands-free microwave.
Neal, November 20, 2014, 09:06:15 pm
But instead of earth the ground is made of dildos. Lots and lots of dildos.
-
The F+ Island of Misfit Toys is that stump, the Gamers Hip Clip, and the hands-free microwave.
Neal, November 20, 2014, 09:06:15 pm
But instead of earth the ground is made of dildos. Lots and lots of dildos.
montrith, November 21, 2014, 03:19:34 am
And the Chin Wattle Man is king.
-
(http://i.imgur.com/NnRyGKM.jpg)
Cat Planet, November 20, 2014, 03:52:05 am
never forget
AgentCoop, November 20, 2014, 02:54:25 pm
The F+ Island of Misfit Toys is that stump, the Gamers Hip Clip, and the hands-free microwave.
Neal, November 20, 2014, 09:06:15 pm
And Mario Sing-A-Long to Go Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers
I still can't get over the number of levels on which that game idea fails...
-
I just hope that Creatrix Tiara, the woman who led me to make this document, gets her own day in court.
-
I just hope that Creatrix Tiara, the woman who led me to make this document, gets her own day in court.
NERRRRD, December 03, 2014, 06:55:28 pm
oh my god, i haven't heard that name in years
what's she done?
-
Consider the unicorn: made up of parts that don’t usually go together, mythical, yet so beloved that people will go to all lengths to make it exist.
Now consider the platypus: made up of parts that don’t usually go together, real, yet so confounding that for many years even scientists could not believe they existed.
I am the platypus Quote from
Consider the good monster cockogy: made up of parts that most readers will relate to or understand, not annoying as all shit, used to explain, illustrate, or further detail a concept.
Now consider the bad monster cockogy: That fucking monster cockogy.
-
I just hope that Creatrix Tiara, the woman who led me to make this document, gets her own day in court.
NERRRRD, December 03, 2014, 06:55:28 pm
oh my god, i haven't heard that name in years
what's she done?
chai tea latte, December 03, 2014, 08:28:38 pm
where do you know her from? she recently moved near me and posted some awful shit on what was ostensibly a jobs board but is really a place for weirdos on facebook to brag about their useless esoteric "talents" (guess which city i live in), essentially posted a link to her website begging for burlesque pennies. Oh yeah she does "burlesque performances" where she gets naked and shows her disgusting fat gut while bragging about how open and weird her sexuality is. Her poetry is, naturally, gross.
Here's what she posted, but her website has linkbacks to literally everything she's ever done, including burlesque art, tumblr, patreon begging, etc. :Hi there! I'm a recent MFA grad with years of experience in creative and media production, performance, writing, digital media, and community cultural development. I am highly skilled in cross-cultural communication, research, social media, project management, networking, and intercultural exchange, and I learn new skills quickly.
I'm looking for paid work starting late August in any combination of creative, cultural, social justice, arts, education, activism, intersectional, feminist, queer, anti-racist, tech sectors. I'm primarily looking at the Bay Area but am open to anywhere else in the US.
Feel free to find out more about me at http://creatrixtiara.com
creatrix tiara
interdisciplinary iconoclast and creatrix of awesome. performance art, culture, writing, creativity, activism, race, queer, gender, sexuality, transmedia, travel
creatrixtiara.com
-
Great good glory that is an ugly, awkward website. I'm always baffled by hideous websites people obviously put work into.
-
Great good glory that is an ugly, awkward website. I'm always baffled by hideous websites people obviously put work into.
THE TRUE JUICE, December 04, 2014, 08:28:32 am
If it makes you feel better, Cratrix Tiara didn't actually put any work into that. It was made with flavors.me (http://flavors.me/), a free site generator.
-
That makes me feel worse because it means more than one person worked on it.
-
The world does not need another Amanda Palmer.
-
The world does not need another Amanda Palmer.
Mister Smalls, December 04, 2014, 08:38:49 pm
I'm not sure the world even needs the original Amanda Palmer.
-
The world does not need another Amanda Palmer.
Mister Smalls, December 04, 2014, 08:38:49 pm
I'm not sure the world even needs the original Amanda Palmer.
Sherman Tank, December 16, 2015, 10:03:21 pm
Hey now, the Dresden Dolls had some damn catchy songs. I do kind of want to lock her in a room with Tiara and see how long it takes them to come to blows, though.
-
The world does not need another Amanda Palmer.
Mister Smalls, December 04, 2014, 08:38:49 pm
I'm not sure the world even needs the original Amanda Palmer.
Sherman Tank, December 16, 2015, 10:03:21 pm
Hey now, the Dresden Dolls had some damn catchy songs. I do kind of want to lock her in a room with Tiara and see how long it takes them to come to blows, though.
TheCrawlingChaos, December 16, 2015, 10:59:44 pm
This kinda proves my point. We've gotten all we possibly can out of the original Amanda Palmer, so we don't actually need her any more.
-
The world does not need another Amanda Palmer.
Mister Smalls, December 04, 2014, 08:38:49 pm
I'm not sure the world even needs the original Amanda Palmer.
Sherman Tank, December 16, 2015, 10:03:21 pm
Hey now, the Dresden Dolls had some damn catchy songs. I do kind of want to lock her in a room with Tiara and see how long it takes them to come to blows, though.
TheCrawlingChaos, December 16, 2015, 10:59:44 pm
This kinda proves my point. We've gotten all we possibly can out of the original Amanda Palmer, so we don't actually need her any more.
Sherman Tank, December 17, 2015, 01:17:31 am
Ha! We have an accord, then. Neil Gaiman might be sad but I feel like the world's gotten about all it can get out of him at this juncture too. His last few books were... not inspiring, at least to me.
-
The world does not need another Amanda Palmer.
Mister Smalls, December 04, 2014, 08:38:49 pm
I'm not sure the world even needs the original Amanda Palmer.
Sherman Tank, December 16, 2015, 10:03:21 pm
Hey now, the Dresden Dolls had some damn catchy songs. I do kind of want to lock her in a room with Tiara and see how long it takes them to come to blows, though.
TheCrawlingChaos, December 16, 2015, 10:59:44 pm
This kinda proves my point. We've gotten all we possibly can out of the original Amanda Palmer, so we don't actually need her any more.
Sherman Tank, December 17, 2015, 01:17:31 am
Ha! We have an accord, then. Neil Gaiman might be sad but I feel like the world's gotten about all it can get out of him at this juncture too. His last few books were... not inspiring, at least to me.
TheCrawlingChaos, December 17, 2015, 01:27:10 am
I haven't read all of his books, but I really dug The Ocean at the End of the Lane.
-
In Patreon news, they just won a lawsuit against PayPal that means there can now be adult-content Patreons (https://motherboard.vice.com/read/patreon-paypal-adult-content). Can a new F Plus Patreon episode be far behind?
-
Oh, and the first subject in this episode, Jake Richmond (the guy with the medusa webcomic) is now Kickstarting a tabletop RPG (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/603898497/the-magical-land-of-yeld), because of course he is.
-
"To face the hunters we'll need to take on heroic jobs, like Oathbreaker, Soul Thief, I'm Just Saying Random Fantasy Words At This Point, and Token Japanese Thing!"
I have to admit, that guy's art wasn't anywhere near as bad as I expected it to be. On the other hand...