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Title: star wars thread
Post by: Emperor Jack Chick on December 17, 2015, 07:35:46 pm
i assume some poeple here have Opinions about Star Wars. Put em in here.

Naturally put spoiler warnings as default hidden so as not to fuck up people who haven't seen the new one.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: chai tea latte on December 17, 2015, 07:51:06 pm
It's okay I guess
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Locclo on December 17, 2015, 11:39:15 pm
I'll probably see the new one this weekend or something, I wasn't sure I wanted to see it with all of the crazy super fans. I have been watching the other movies in the meantime, starting with episodes 1 and 2, and let me tell you, they would be utterly unbearable if I didn't have the fantastic Rifftrax commentary to go along with it. I highly recommend giving them a try if you can, since all of them are free on their newfangled syncing app.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Yavuz on December 18, 2015, 12:35:32 am
I just got back from seeing it (on an impulse) with fellow grad students. I thought it was really fucking good, and had a nice balance between the callbacks to the original trilogy and the new stuff. There were some people who were getting down on it because they thought it was just more of the same, but I thought it did a good job of passing between the Scylla of utter fanservice and the Charybdis of "OMG THIS ISN'T STAR WARS". And I will say (without going into detail) that I enjoyed one part simply because I knew assholes on the Internet were going to get butthurt about it.

And the next one is supposed to be written and directed by Rian Johnson, who made Looper, which was excellent.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Ambious on December 18, 2015, 03:30:01 am
I liked it a lot.
Sure it wasn't without flaws, but I had a blast and I really liked the new characters.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: goombapolice on December 18, 2015, 08:01:51 am
I hate star wars
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Knitting Machine on December 18, 2015, 08:13:27 am
My coworker is loudly complaining how feminists and SJWs have ruined Star Wars forever. So I'm taking this as a sign that I'll probably like the movie.

Also this makes it the third thirtyish white guy I know complaining about the movie. How more do I need to complete the whole set?
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Mu. on December 18, 2015, 08:39:04 am
Do they finally write the Star Peace Treaty and end The Star Wars???
Title: star wars thread
Post by: strifeheart on December 18, 2015, 11:13:20 am
Do they finally write the Star Peace Treaty and end The Star Wars???
Murphy, December 18, 2015, 08:39:04 am

I hope when they do it's just like it was in the books:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/7/77/Gavrisompellaeon.jpg)
Title: star wars thread
Post by: STOG on December 18, 2015, 11:17:16 am
I didn't go see Star Wars last night and I missed out on the chance to get into a real life Darth Vader moshpit/fistfight by wearing my Star Trek Original Series Captain Kirk uniform
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on December 18, 2015, 12:39:46 pm
I liked it a lot.
Sure it wasn't without flaws, but I had a blast and I really liked the new characters.
Ambious, December 18, 2015, 03:30:01 am

Same for me, basically! My only hope is more Captain Phasma for next time.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Ambious on December 18, 2015, 01:52:14 pm
I liked it a lot.
Sure it wasn't without flaws, but I had a blast and I really liked the new characters.
Ambious, December 18, 2015, 03:30:01 am

Same for me, basically! My only hope is more Captain Phasma for next time.
Nikaer Drekin, December 18, 2015, 12:39:46 pm

Problem is, we don't know for sure she evacuated starkiller base in time. We know Kylo Ren and the blond aryan guy were ordered to evacuate, but fittingly enough - we don't actually see it happen.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Cheapskate on December 18, 2015, 03:17:15 pm
I think this one was about as good as Return of the Jedi. I'm not going to use the spoiler tag because I can still read text when it's blurred, so I'll just say that when the Sad Thing happens, the movie completely fails to address just how sad the Sad Thing is.

The cinematography made the galaxy look huge (and largely empty). Action scenes played out in an appropriately pulpy manner. Nothing amazing in the soundtrack.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Ike on December 18, 2015, 04:32:52 pm
I hate star wars
goombapolice, December 18, 2015, 08:01:51 am
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Isfahan on December 18, 2015, 08:19:44 pm
I hope when they do it's just like it was in the books:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/7/77/Gavrisompellaeon.jpg)
strifeheart, December 18, 2015, 11:13:20 am

Based on this image alone, so does Portaxx.

Anyway, the movie was delightful. Hit almost all of the right notes. Plenty of actual sets and practical, in-camera effects. People actually emoted and displayed feelings through acting, unlike the prequels. Every action scene had stakes and plot advancement behind it, unlike the prequels. The pacing at the start seemed a bit too fast, but I understand that JJ had a lot of narrative ground to cover and it's infinitely preferable to endless scenes of people slowly walking down hallways and sitting on couches while talking.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Knitting Machine on December 18, 2015, 10:13:50 pm
Just came back from it! A lovely movie that I'm totally bringing my niece to as soon as I can. Oh shit, I don't know if she's seen the originals. Might have to do a marathon.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on December 19, 2015, 11:50:18 pm
It was honestly pretty much everything I wanted from a star wars movie, by which I mean rad.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: strifeheart on December 20, 2015, 09:46:02 pm
Anyway, the movie was delightful. Hit almost all of the right notes. Plenty of actual sets and practical, in-camera effects. People actually emoted and displayed feelings through acting, unlike the prequels. Every action scene had stakes and plot advancement behind it, unlike the prequels. The pacing at the start seemed a bit too fast, but I understand that JJ had a lot of narrative ground to cover and it's infinitely preferable to endless scenes of people slowly walking down hallways and sitting on couches while talking.
Isfahan, December 18, 2015, 08:19:44 pm

My thoughts exactly. My only real complaint was that the Republic/Resistance setup seemed pretty awkward--why are they not just the same thing, the new government set up by the Rebellion? Seemed unnecessary to exactly recast the good guys and bad guys in their OT roles; I think the original EU handled it a lot better. That's a pretty inconsequential/nerdy issue to have, though, and it didn't do anything to prevent me from wholeheartedly enjoying the movie (and really, really wanting more).

EDIT: Apparently it's 30 years after Endor, which I failed to realize applied to my concerns, so maybe it'll just be another thing that'll be explained more in future films. Hooray!
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on December 20, 2015, 11:19:50 pm
EDIT: Apparently it's 30 years after Endor, which I failed to realize applied to my concerns, so maybe it'll just be another thing that'll be explained more in future films. Hooray!
strifeheart, December 20, 2015, 09:46:02 pm

Yeah, I'm really excited for the next one now- I hope they go into more detail about Snoke and the Knights of Ren.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Knitting Machine on December 21, 2015, 12:48:44 pm
I just realized I'm going to be stuck with my EU obsessed relative on Christmas Eve. Does anyone have any advice on how to survive this encounter?
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Ambious on December 21, 2015, 12:50:28 pm
I just realized I'm going to be stuck with my EU obsessed relative on Christmas Eve. Does anyone have any advice on how to survive this encounter?
KnitOneKillTwo, December 21, 2015, 12:48:44 pm

Just keep reminding him that the EU is dead and buried and sucked anyway and respond to everything he says with "but is it still official canon?"
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on December 21, 2015, 01:07:10 pm
I just realized I'm going to be stuck with my EU obsessed relative on Christmas Eve. Does anyone have any advice on how to survive this encounter?
KnitOneKillTwo, December 21, 2015, 12:48:44 pm
Talk about Chewbacca being crushed by a moon
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on December 21, 2015, 01:14:41 pm
I just realized I'm going to be stuck with my EU obsessed relative on Christmas Eve. Does anyone have any advice on how to survive this encounter?
KnitOneKillTwo, December 21, 2015, 12:48:44 pm

Just keep reminding him that the EU is dead and buried and sucked anyway and respond to everything he says with "but is it still official canon?"
Ambious, December 21, 2015, 12:50:28 pm

This is 100% the correct strategy. Extra points if you make fun of the Mandalorians, since chances are he idolizes them!
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Locclo on December 21, 2015, 09:41:03 pm
Finally got around to seeing it today, I think it's right up there with the original trilogy. The only things I think I would have liked were seeing more of Rey's background, and more context for the conflict between the Republic and the First Order. Really all that you get is "Republic = good" and "Empire First Order = evil." Other than that, I thought it was pretty great. I liked that there was pretty much equal development for all of the major characters, maybe aside from General Hux and Snoke (though I feel that's sort of the point with the latter). I'm interested to see what's going to happen with the conflict between Kylo Ren and Rey, and I hope it isn't just a rehash of ideas from the original trilogy.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Emperor Jack Chick on December 21, 2015, 09:47:12 pm
Saw it tonight (for free!).

Fun movie. Basically star wars ep 4 again.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Knitting Machine on December 22, 2015, 09:02:56 am
I just realized I'm going to be stuck with my EU obsessed relative on Christmas Eve. Does anyone have any advice on how to survive this encounter?
KnitOneKillTwo, December 21, 2015, 12:48:44 pm
Talk about Chewbacca being crushed by a moon
AgentCoop, December 21, 2015, 01:07:10 pm

He already spent Thanksgiving talking about how Chewie death in that book was the most heroic death he had ever heard of, period.

This guy also doesn't let his five year old kid play with his Star Wars Legos. And yes, he has seen the Lego movie. The moral was lost on him.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: STOG on December 22, 2015, 09:30:10 am
I just realized I'm going to be stuck with my EU obsessed relative on Christmas Eve. Does anyone have any advice on how to survive this encounter?
KnitOneKillTwo, December 21, 2015, 12:48:44 pm
Talk about Chewbacca being crushed by a moon
AgentCoop, December 21, 2015, 01:07:10 pm

He already spent Thanksgiving talking about how Chewie death in that book was the most heroic death he had ever heard of, period.

This guy also doesn't let his five year old kid play with his Star Wars Legos. And yes, he has seen the Lego movie. The moral was lost on him.
KnitOneKillTwo, December 22, 2015, 09:02:56 am

Take all the Lego bricks while he's asleep. Spread them all around the floor of his sleeping area. If you hear a scream and a thump, then the application of Lego is successful.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on December 23, 2015, 05:39:55 pm
I love how every time there's a thread about anything, at least a few folks run in to just say "I'M SKINNY GOODBYE!" and nothing more as if that's part of having a discussion.

Anyway, saw it with Toast. Movie was a fun, cornball blast with interesting characters, which is exactly all Star Wars ever needed to be. I'm not even into Star Wars but I had a hell of a lot of fun with it. BB-8 is fucking adorable. CG still didn't look right but was kept to a minimum. The end!
Title: star wars thread
Post by: STOG on December 23, 2015, 07:11:56 pm
I love how every time there's a thread about anything, at least a few folks run in to just say "I'M SKINNY GOODBYE!" and nothing more as if that's part of having a discussion.

Anyway, saw it with Toast. Movie was a fun, cornball blast with interesting characters, which is exactly all Star Wars ever needed to be. I'm not even into Star Wars but I had a hell of a lot of fun with it. BB-8 is fucking adorable. CG still didn't look right but was kept to a minimum. The end!
portaxx, December 23, 2015, 05:39:55 pm

not me, darth vader made me eat a lot of pizzas
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Dawnswalker on December 23, 2015, 08:17:54 pm
I liked it a lot! I think the old-new mix was a little too skewed in favour of the old, but I like to think that was more of a combination of needing to do prequel damage control, and of the director's glee at having been able to do this while the vast majority of the original cast was still alive and healthy enough to run around on movie sets. (Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull really made me worry.)

BB-8 was just the cutest little thing ever. Probably an awful design for a robot to have in real life, but still so cute.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Isfahan on December 24, 2015, 01:15:29 pm
(Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull really made me worry.) Dawnswalker, December 23, 2015, 08:17:54 pm

Unlike in Crystal Skull, Harrison Ford appeared to be having fun and to actually give some semblance of a shit about playing his character. That counts for a lot.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on December 24, 2015, 02:38:06 pm
I liked it a lot.
Sure it wasn't without flaws, but I had a blast and I really liked the new characters.
Ambious, December 18, 2015, 03:30:01 am

Same for me, basically! My only hope is more Captain Phasma for next time.
Nikaer Drekin, December 18, 2015, 12:39:46 pm

Problem is, we don't know for sure she evacuated starkiller base in time. We know Kylo Ren and the blond aryan guy were ordered to evacuate, but fittingly enough - we don't actually see it happen.
Ambious, December 18, 2015, 01:52:14 pm

Well, according to this casting call, (http://www.moviecastingcall.org/2015/12/star-wars-episode-viii-casting-new-lead-and-supporting-roles.html) Gwendolyn Christie is confirmed to return for Episode VIII, so it looks like I may get my wish! Also seems like Harrison Ford will be back, oddly enough.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Isfahan on December 25, 2015, 08:56:16 am
Also seems like Harrison Ford will be back, oddly enough.
Nikaer Drekin, December 24, 2015, 02:38:06 pm

Well, I guess it'll be as a Force ghost.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on December 25, 2015, 10:59:09 am
Also seems like Harrison Ford will be back, oddly enough.
Nikaer Drekin, December 24, 2015, 02:38:06 pm

Well, I guess it'll be as a Force ghost.
Isfahan, December 25, 2015, 08:56:16 am

Yeah, or a holo-recording or something like that. Basically something blue and glowing.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Vinny Possum on December 28, 2015, 05:24:05 pm
I really liked how the trailers set up Kylo Ren to be this Vader-esque badass, but he turns out to be a kinda pathetic deconstruction of the Vader type villian
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Isfahan on December 28, 2015, 05:45:30 pm
On that note, youthful inexperience and insecurity seems to be a big theme in Episode VII, on both sides. Rey is holding onto a childish and willfully naïve hope that her family will come back for her; Finn blusters and bluffs his way through his adventure, motivated through most of the movie by his own sense of self-preservation; Kylo Ren is the biggest example of all, having a poorly-built lightsaber which reflects his own instability and prone to immature emotional outbursts. Rey and Finn are new at being good guys, and Kylo is new at being a bad guy.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Dawnswalker on December 28, 2015, 05:46:29 pm
They definitely could not have done Kylo Ren if Anakin Skywalker had not existed as a previous character to draw certain aspects from. And I'm not just talking about "I wanna be so cool like Grandpa! FUCK YOU MOM"
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Digital Walnut on December 29, 2015, 01:49:28 am
I kept my expectations low, and I came out of the theater enjoying this one. Digital muppets mugging at the camera and racial caricatures were mercifully confined to the minimum of screen time that could be considered faithful to the Lucas tradition. Harrison Ford played to his strengths (as an old man stumbling toward death) and Carrie Fisher was great as both a mother and a general. If you enjoyed episodes 4-6, this one is worth seeing.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Mu. on December 29, 2015, 01:09:58 pm
Saw it today, it was really good. A lot of fun to watch, really good performances and effects. I saw it in IMAX 3D, which looked great as the film just used it for depth and none of that popping out of the screen bollocks. It was exactly what I'd expected. Probably a bit conservative really, maybe the next one might take a risk or two.

I did notice that there was absolutely no concept of distances taking time to travel though. The amount of times where you'd see something miles off from a character and it'd just cut to them there was unreal. Same as that really long "2 minutes" that the new Death Star had before blowing up/charging up it's cannon (I forget which). It's just silly movie logic but it started sticking out really badly after a while.


I love how every time there's a thread about anything, at least a few folks run in to just say "I'M SKINNY GOODBYE!" and nothing more as if that's part of having a discussion.
portaxx, December 23, 2015, 05:39:55 pm

Not sure what you mean here.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on December 29, 2015, 10:49:44 pm
We went to see Star Wars on Christmas Day and it was so much fun. Everyone kept losing their mind when charecters came on the screen. And honestly, I felt happy. Like I wasn't that hardcore into Star Wars when I was kid but I did enjoy it and I was really disappointed on the prequels. So I was happy that not only was this movie good but I was happy to see people enjoying it. Because Star Wars is something that anyone can really enjoy. You can be a nerd or not and still like it. I also really like how this movie was able to have humorous moments without pulling a Jar Jar Binks. Thank god they didn't pull another Jar Jar Binks
Title: star wars thread
Post by: NutshellGulag on January 01, 2016, 09:51:42 pm
I saw it tonight and liked it. It was definitely better than the prequels; the care they took with the effects work really showed. Luke looked a little dyspeptic when he showed up at the end.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Ashto on January 06, 2016, 05:39:54 pm
I'M SKINNY, GOODBYE I don't like Star Wars.

Speaking as an outsider though, I recall hearing an interesting theory about why the movie's plot is the way it is. By revisiting the plots from Episodes 4-6, the directors are hoping to prove to audiences that they are capable of making and old-style Star Wars movie. Yet, by revisiting all those plots in one film, they're making it clear that the movies have no choice but to move forward in the next set of films.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Fanzay on January 14, 2016, 02:50:17 pm
I'M SKINNY, GOODBYE I don't like Star Wars.

Speaking as an outsider though, I recall hearing an interesting theory about why the movie's plot is the way it is. By revisiting the plots from Episodes 4-6, the directors are hoping to prove to audiences that they are capable of making and old-style Star Wars movie. Yet, by revisiting all those plots in one film, they're making it clear that the movies have no choice but to move forward in the next set of films.
Ashto, January 06, 2016, 05:39:54 pm

Setting aside the fact that you don't like Star Wars (HEATHEN), I agree but I'm going to challenge you on this: "the movies have no choice but to move forward in the next set of films." What are you even talking about here?

I liked it. More screen time for the mosquito aliens in the pub, less Maz Kanata.
More X-wings thank you bye
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Ambious on January 14, 2016, 03:24:49 pm
Just came back from my 3rd viewing.
Still loving it.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Mu. on January 16, 2016, 07:17:38 am
It's close; Sheev is the viewpoint character in all three prequels. That's to say the reason the prequels have this hyperreal aesthetic in the props, set design, etc., is because you're watching those events through Sheev-o-vision. He is watching events and saying 'look at these fucking puppets, with their plastic cars. What a bunch of maroons. This is going to be easy.'.

The reason fans reject the prequels is that they denial of Sheev's basic observation that Star Wars is fake, crass, silly.... It's a multibillion franchise with logos on fruit. Lightsabers are stupid. But Sheev revels in that stuff: "fuck it - I've got a lightsaber too!"

The correct response to Sheer's challenge would be to agree. And that's precisely what Luke does: he attempts suicide in order to reject Star Wars and everything it stands for. He's like "fuck this universe. If the entire stupid universe is set up to reward only violence and power, then I quit." He throws his lightsaber away.

But Vader steps up and does something far more radical: he dies for Star Wars' sins. And, as a consequence, he redeems Star Wars.

But that's only if you truly believe.

First things first: the narrative structure of the Star Wars film series is ever-shifting. As each film is introduced, the meaning changes.

Three extremely different films were grouped together and are now understood as 'The OT', the story of how Luke Skywalker killed the evil robot Darth Vader and saved his father - Anakin. This killing of the robot ultimately represented the triumph of liberal democracy over the various failed utopian projects of the past. In general, the OT can be summarized as naïvely optimistic.

Subsequently, three films were introduced that called out the OT for its naïveté. The human Anakin, it reveals, was a fascist stooge. The bad robot monster that everyone had rejected was none other than Christ Himself. We were fooled: liberal democracy was the enemy. It was all a sham. We killed Him for plastic toys, and His blood is on our hands. With the addition of these three films, the context of the originals had changed. The entire six-film series became the tale of Darth Vader's crucifixion. It can be summarized as brutally honest.

And now we have a seventh film.

The Force Awakens is a story of willful ignorance and self-deceit.

Who are the Republic? Who are the Resistance? Who are the First Order? People are confused because they are not reading the imagery.

The basic story is simple: it is the story of a USB key that travels across the galaxy and gradually morphs into a laser sword. Max Van Sydow is the personification of this object; it respresents his legacy. And he explains exactly what he stands for: "only the Jedi can bring balance to the force." He supports Leia's Resistance because 'she's royalty to him.' The Resistance heroes are all working to bring back feudalism, and the New Order is working to prevent that.

If you've read the previous thread and seen the previous films, you know that nobody ever mentions a 'light side', because there isnt one. The entire Force - the entire universe - is darkness, and to believe otherwise is to have your vision clouded. The light side exists only as the holy spirit - the community of believers in Christ/Vader. Vader was the incarnation of the Force and, when he died, the Force died with him.

Force Awakens, on the other hand, is constantly talking about the light side, and visualizing it as literal light: the ships all have massive headlights attached, the recurring image is of a dark ball of tentacles being obliterated by a burst of light (e.g. When that thing is attached to the windshield). The light cleanses, and the light purifies. this is what Van Sydow means by 'balance'.

But this literal light is not the Holy Spirit. It's the dark side, rebranded. It's sheer, burning power. Audiences cheer when Rey displays her insane power. Her mutant powers, aka 'force sensitivity', aka midichlorians - make her stronger than anyone else. Her mind-tricks are not subtle manipulations, but a direct reprogramming of the enemy's mind. She wins by being darker than Kylo.

So: why would a family abandon their child in a junkyard?

The simplest answer is that they're terrified of her.

Basically, JJ Abrams has tricked you into worshiping the dark side. Maz runs a temple devoted to herself, and nobody is suspicious? Whoops!
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Yavuz on January 16, 2016, 09:05:30 am
It's close; Sheev is the viewpoint character in all three prequels. That's to say the reason the prequels have this hyperreal aesthetic in the props, set design, etc., is because you're watching those events through Sheev-o-vision. He is watching events and saying 'look at these fucking puppets, with their plastic cars. What a bunch of maroons. This is going to be easy.'.

The reason fans reject the prequels is that they denial of Sheev's basic observation that Star Wars is fake, crass, silly.... It's a multibillion franchise with logos on fruit. Lightsabers are stupid. But Sheev revels in that stuff: "fuck it - I've got a lightsaber too!"

The correct response to Sheer's challenge would be to agree. And that's precisely what Luke does: he attempts suicide in order to reject Star Wars and everything it stands for. He's like "fuck this universe. If the entire stupid universe is set up to reward only violence and power, then I quit." He throws his lightsaber away.

But Vader steps up and does something far more radical: he dies for Star Wars' sins. And, as a consequence, he redeems Star Wars.

But that's only if you truly believe.

First things first: the narrative structure of the Star Wars film series is ever-shifting. As each film is introduced, the meaning changes.

Three extremely different films were grouped together and are now understood as 'The OT', the story of how Luke Skywalker killed the evil robot Darth Vader and saved his father - Anakin. This killing of the robot ultimately represented the triumph of liberal democracy over the various failed utopian projects of the past. In general, the OT can be summarized as naïvely optimistic.

Subsequently, three films were introduced that called out the OT for its naïveté. The human Anakin, it reveals, was a fascist stooge. The bad robot monster that everyone had rejected was none other than Christ Himself. We were fooled: liberal democracy was the enemy. It was all a sham. We killed Him for plastic toys, and His blood is on our hands. With the addition of these three films, the context of the originals had changed. The entire six-film series became the tale of Darth Vader's crucifixion. It can be summarized as brutally honest.

And now we have a seventh film.

The Force Awakens is a story of willful ignorance and self-deceit.

Who are the Republic? Who are the Resistance? Who are the First Order? People are confused because they are not reading the imagery.

The basic story is simple: it is the story of a USB key that travels across the galaxy and gradually morphs into a laser sword. Max Van Sydow is the personification of this object; it respresents his legacy. And he explains exactly what he stands for: "only the Jedi can bring balance to the force." He supports Leia's Resistance because 'she's royalty to him.' The Resistance heroes are all working to bring back feudalism, and the New Order is working to prevent that.

If you've read the previous thread and seen the previous films, you know that nobody ever mentions a 'light side', because there isnt one. The entire Force - the entire universe - is darkness, and to believe otherwise is to have your vision clouded. The light side exists only as the holy spirit - the community of believers in Christ/Vader. Vader was the incarnation of the Force and, when he died, the Force died with him.

Force Awakens, on the other hand, is constantly talking about the light side, and visualizing it as literal light: the ships all have massive headlights attached, the recurring image is of a dark ball of tentacles being obliterated by a burst of light (e.g. When that thing is attached to the windshield). The light cleanses, and the light purifies. this is what Van Sydow means by 'balance'.

But this literal light is not the Holy Spirit. It's the dark side, rebranded. It's sheer, burning power. Audiences cheer when Rey displays her insane power. Her mutant powers, aka 'force sensitivity', aka midichlorians - make her stronger than anyone else. Her mind-tricks are not subtle manipulations, but a direct reprogramming of the enemy's mind. She wins by being darker than Kylo.

So: why would a family abandon their child in a junkyard?

The simplest answer is that they're terrified of her.

Basically, JJ Abrams has tricked you into worshiping the dark side. Maz runs a temple devoted to herself, and nobody is suspicious? Whoops!
Murphy, January 16, 2016, 07:17:38 am

Where's that stuff from?
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Mu. on January 16, 2016, 09:15:23 am
Where's that stuff from?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 09:05:30 am

This guy, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790&userid=118075 , in this unending hell of a thread, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790 .
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Yavuz on January 16, 2016, 10:20:00 am
Where's that stuff from?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 09:05:30 am

This guy, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790&userid=118075 , in this unending hell of a thread, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790 .
Murphy, January 16, 2016, 09:15:23 am

Okay, good. I was worried that it was someone who was getting paid to write that shit, as opposed to some idiot trying to sound smart on the Internet. Seriously, who the fuck actually calls Palpatine by his first name (outside of the books, where they're probably required to use it)?
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Ambious on January 16, 2016, 10:29:32 am
Where's that stuff from?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 09:05:30 am

This guy, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790&userid=118075 , in this unending hell of a thread, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790 .
Murphy, January 16, 2016, 09:15:23 am

Okay, good. I was worried that it was someone who was getting paid to write that shit, as opposed to some idiot trying to sound smart on the Internet. Seriously, who the fuck actually calls Palpatine by his first name (outside of the books, where they're probably required to use it)?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 10:20:00 am

4chan.org/tv/

They're obsessed with it.
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Post by: Kaleidoscope on January 16, 2016, 01:57:25 pm
Quick question: anyone have any good Star Wars comic? I just started reading the new Princess Leia series and I am loving it
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Post by: cyclopeantrash on January 16, 2016, 05:33:30 pm
Star Wars is my favorite Dune fanfiction.
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Post by: Fanzay on January 17, 2016, 04:32:22 am
Where's that stuff from?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 09:05:30 am

This guy, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790&userid=118075 , in this unending hell of a thread, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790 .
Murphy, January 16, 2016, 09:15:23 am

Okay, good. I was worried that it was someone who was getting paid to write that shit, as opposed to some idiot trying to sound smart on the Internet. Seriously, who the fuck actually calls Palpatine by his first name (outside of the books, where they're probably required to use it)?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 10:20:00 am

SuperMechaGodzilla is an institution on SA. Half-insane pretentious ramblings and a politization of everything is his MO. And a love of Zizek.
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Post by: Ashto on January 17, 2016, 12:36:04 pm
I'M SKINNY, GOODBYE I don't like Star Wars.

Speaking as an outsider though, I recall hearing an interesting theory about why the movie's plot is the way it is. By revisiting the plots from Episodes 4-6, the directors are hoping to prove to audiences that they are capable of making and old-style Star Wars movie. Yet, by revisiting all those plots in one film, they're making it clear that the movies have no choice but to move forward in the next set of films.
Ashto, January 06, 2016, 05:39:54 pm

Setting aside the fact that you don't like Star Wars (HEATHEN), I agree but I'm going to challenge you on this: "the movies have no choice but to move forward in the next set of films." What are you even talking about here?

I liked it. More screen time for the mosquito aliens in the pub, less Maz Kanata.
More X-wings thank you bye
Fanzay, January 14, 2016, 02:50:17 pm

Before the movie came out, some of my friends who do like Star Wars wondered where they were gonna take the story. One of them expressed doubts that they were probably going to redo the original trilogy  just to give fans more of what they want. As in, episode 7 would be episode 4, 8 would be 5, 9 would be 6. If that did happened, that might have been a letdown. Instead, episode 7 turned out to "redo" episodes 4-6 in one sitting. So what I'm saying is that, because they did this, they're forcing themselves to move on into new exciting territory.
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Post by: Fanzay on January 17, 2016, 02:53:59 pm
Oh. Then yeah. I completely agree.
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Post by: Knitting Machine on January 18, 2016, 07:10:56 am
My niece met Vader at Disney World and is now the biggest Star Wars fan. It's adorable.
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Post by: Ashto on January 22, 2016, 11:17:45 pm
I honestly thought the whole Chewbacca "heroic death in the expanded universe" thing was just something that only the nerdiest of nerds complained about. I did not expect it to come up as a subject over dinner with friends. Go figure. Also, if you really want to piss off a fan of the Expanded Universe, I think I found a new method: ask them about what they think of the 80's Ewoks cartoon series, and whether their existence in the Star Wars universe implies that magic is a thing, or if Ewoks are just really good at using the force. I got a mild reaction out of the people around me, so I can only imagine what it'd do to someone like Knitting Machine's relative.
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Post by: Nikaer Drekin on January 23, 2016, 11:42:59 am
Also, if you really want to piss off a fan of the Expanded Universe, I think I found a new method: ask them about what they think of the 80's Ewoks cartoon series, and whether their existence in the Star Wars universe implies that magic is a thing, or if Ewoks are just really good at using the force. I got a mild reaction out of the people around me, so I can only imagine what it'd do to someone like Knitting Machine's relative.
Ashto, January 22, 2016, 11:17:45 pm

I consider myself a nearly-obsessive Star Wars fan who's seen the Holiday Special more than once, and I've actually never seen a second of the Ewoks cartoon. Is Ewok Magic actually a thing they tried to do?

Speaking of the Holiday Special, has anyone had any interesting experiences with that? I was having a Rifftrax get-together with a few friends, and we picked that out to watch. A little bit into it, a friend asked how long it was, and I said, "About 2 hours."

They thought I was joking. Turns out Harvey Korman in drag hosting an alien cooking show and VR Wookiee porn aren't that compelling to some people!
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Post by: Ashto on January 24, 2016, 01:45:34 am
I consider myself a nearly-obsessive Star Wars fan who's seen the Holiday Special more than once, and I've actually never seen a second of the Ewoks cartoon. Is Ewok Magic actually a thing they tried to do?Nikaer Drekin, January 23, 2016, 11:42:59 am
One of the characters was training to practice magic, so I'd have to say yes.
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Post by: Yavuz on January 24, 2016, 12:31:47 pm
Also, if you really want to piss off a fan of the Expanded Universe, I think I found a new method: ask them about what they think of the 80's Ewoks cartoon series, and whether their existence in the Star Wars universe implies that magic is a thing, or if Ewoks are just really good at using the force. I got a mild reaction out of the people around me, so I can only imagine what it'd do to someone like Knitting Machine's relative.
Ashto, January 22, 2016, 11:17:45 pm

I consider myself a nearly-obsessive Star Wars fan who's seen the Holiday Special more than once, and I've actually never seen a second of the Ewoks cartoon. Is Ewok Magic actually a thing they tried to do?

Speaking of the Holiday Special, has anyone had any interesting experiences with that? I was having a Rifftrax get-together with a few friends, and we picked that out to watch. A little bit into it, a friend asked how long it was, and I said, "About 2 hours."

They thought I was joking. Turns out Harvey Korman in drag hosting an alien cooking show and VR Wookiee porn aren't that compelling to some people!
Nikaer Drekin, January 23, 2016, 11:42:59 am

Have you ever seen Ewoks: The Battle for Endor? It's a live-action TV movie that's supposed to take place before Return of the Jedi. Apparently, it's hilariously terrible, even if you know nothing about the backstory.
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Post by: Dawnswalker on January 24, 2016, 01:18:22 pm
Speaking of the Holiday Special, has anyone had any interesting experiences with that? I was having a Rifftrax get-together with a few friends, and we picked that out to watch. A little bit into it, a friend asked how long it was, and I said, "About 2 hours."

They thought I was joking. Turns out Harvey Korman in drag hosting an alien cooking show and VR Wookiee porn aren't that compelling to some people!
Nikaer Drekin, January 23, 2016, 11:42:59 am

At least Rifftrax did the version with the commercials, which are far and away the best things about the Star Wars Holiday Special.

Harken back to a time when unions were an institution that proudly and openly existed in America, an institution that brought ad space on television during prime-time and had their own choirs and theme songs. It makes you feel just like an archaelogist!
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Post by: Nikaer Drekin on January 24, 2016, 04:28:19 pm
Have you ever seen Ewoks: The Battle for Endor? It's a live-action TV movie that's supposed to take place before Return of the Jedi. Apparently, it's hilariously terrible, even if you know nothing about the backstory.
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 24, 2016, 12:31:47 pm

Have not seen the live-action Ewoks movies either! (I think there's two?) All I know is that one of them has Wilford Brimley, and so I might have to watch it one of these days.

At least Rifftrax did the version with the commercials, which are far and away the best things about the Star Wars Holiday Special.

Harken back to a time when unions were an institution that proudly and openly existed in America, an institution that brought ad space on television during prime-time and had their own choirs and theme songs. It makes you feel just like an archaelogist!
Dawnswalker, January 24, 2016, 01:18:22 pm

"TOBOR is ROBOT spelled backwards!!"
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Post by: Yavuz on January 24, 2016, 08:25:50 pm
Have you ever seen Ewoks: The Battle for Endor? It's a live-action TV movie that's supposed to take place before Return of the Jedi. Apparently, it's hilariously terrible, even if you know nothing about the backstory.
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 24, 2016, 12:31:47 pm

Have not seen the live-action Ewoks movies either! (I think there's two?) All I know is that one of them has Wilford Brimley, and so I might have to watch it one of these days.
Nikaer Drekin, January 24, 2016, 04:28:19 pm

Battle for Endor is the one with Brimley in it. Apparently it's much better than the first one, mainly because the first one doesn't have Wilford Brimley as a surly old man (IN SPACE). If you want to be convinced (and listen to some ridiculous Brimley impersonations), the podcast We Hate Movies did an episode (https://ia600702.us.archive.org/23/items/Episode33-EwoksTheBattleForEndor/TheBattleForEndor.mp3) about it.
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Post by: Kaleidoscope on January 25, 2016, 10:56:48 am
I have to admit, I find it amazing that the Star Wars Holiday special is the one thing Lucas actively hates and agrees that it was a mistake. It's literally that bad that the creator doesn't want anything to do with it but he also doesn't want to take it out of canon because that will make him have to focus on it.
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Post by: Mu. on February 04, 2016, 04:20:33 pm
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Most_comfortable_chair_ever_designed

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jizz
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Post by: Yavuz on February 04, 2016, 06:58:38 pm
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Most_comfortable_chair_ever_designed

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jizz
Murphy, February 04, 2016, 04:20:33 pm

Just let the jizz wash over you. (Full disclosure, I got this from Read It and Weep, a podcast about bad books, movies, and TV shows.)
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Post by: Victor Laszlo on April 06, 2016, 07:27:26 pm
I showed my 5 year old The Force Awakens today because soccer practice got rained out.  I was struck by how the first half or so was almost a shot-by-shot remake of the first one, except with more pithy dialogue and "I'm gettin' too old for this shit" jokes, and a girl in the lead role.

I still don't understand the ridiculous affection people have for these movies.  It was very, very decent.  Just like the original.  My 5 year old was very concerned that some of those people were way too old to be using light sabers and guns, they were going to hurt themselves.  My four year old says Chewbacca talks funny.

Rey was even more of a Force savant than Luke, Anakin or Obi-wan, though, so I think in the end everything's gonna be okay.
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Post by: Ambious on April 07, 2016, 07:41:29 am
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Post by: Nikaer Drekin on April 08, 2016, 08:03:21 pm
I still don't understand the ridiculous affection people have for these movies.  It was very, very decent.  Just like the original.
Victor Laszlo, April 06, 2016, 07:27:26 pm

Victor, just because YOU were in Casablanca doesn't mean everything has to live up to that standard.

Rey was even more of a Force savant than Luke, Anakin or Obi-wan, though, so I think in the end everything's gonna be okay.
Victor Laszlo, April 06, 2016, 07:27:26 pm

Keep in mind that Anakin won a podrace going hundreds of miles an hour and single-handedly blew up a space station... at age 10. And was the product of a virgin birth.
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Post by: SuperTrainStationH on April 08, 2016, 11:09:17 pm
I showed my 5 year old The Force Awakens today because soccer practice got rained out.  I was struck by how the first half or so was almost a shot-by-shot remake of the first one, except with more pithy dialogue and "I'm gettin' too old for this shit" jokes, and a girl in the lead role...
Victor Laszlo, April 06, 2016, 07:27:26 pm

That's what 15 years of "the prequels suck, they need to make them more like the originals" will do to a board of people sitting on a 2 billion dollar or something investment and are concerned with making as few irrational fanboys angry as theoretically possible.

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Post by: duz on November 19, 2016, 10:24:40 am
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Most_comfortable_chair_ever_designed

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jizz
Murphy, February 04, 2016, 04:20:33 pm

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Breast
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Post by: STOG on December 03, 2016, 01:03:05 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CELJvp6UUAAOs6j.jpg)
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Post by: Victor Laszlo on January 12, 2017, 04:26:31 pm
Watching 'Return of the Jedi' with my kids. When a couple of 5 year olds who enjoyed the emoji movie are calling out problems your movie might be problematic.


Their mother took them to the emoji movie, not me. I made it my business to have other plans.
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Post by: Nikaer Drekin on January 12, 2017, 06:43:15 pm
Watching 'Return of the Jedi' with my kids. When a couple of 5 year olds who enjoyed the emoji movie are calling out problems your movie might be problematic.
Victor Laszlo, January 12, 2017, 04:26:31 pm

I'm frankly less interested in Return of the Jedi's plot holes than in your time machine, Victor!

(http://i.imgur.com/Q6YTOHR.jpg)
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Post by: Victor Laszlo on January 12, 2017, 07:30:35 pm
Ha!  I had to ask my wife, I guess they went to see 'Trolls' and I thought it was the emoji movie because they came home talking about that trailer instead of the movie they saw.

If my kids took my time machine to see the emoji movie they would be out of the will and I think they know it.  I'll remind them in the morning just in case.
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Post by: Goose Goose Honk At Me Now on January 15, 2017, 08:58:09 pm
I told the F Minus Discord this, but that moment in Force Awakens when Rey's fighting Kylo Ren and she calls the lightsaber to her hand is really meaningful to me. Because she's got the sword that's belonged to the heroes of the saga up to now, and the Twin Suns theme starts playing--the theme that accompanied the hero of the original trilogy--and even though she looks scared and unready we understand, very clearly, that this is our warrior hero who's going to be instrumental in swaying the universe away from evil.

And that's incredible to someone who grew up hearing "girls can't be Jedi" and having mostly male characters as the heroes of the actiony sci-fi and fantasy stories I loved best. Sometimes when I'm feeling down I just put that scene on and watch it.

You guys, I love Star Wars. I know it's not Objectively Good but I love it. It's like if a sci-fi franchise was my grandma's house: it might smell funny and there might be some stuff in the basement you're grossed out by, but it feels so damn cozy and the french bread pizzas are so good I want to stay the whole weekend every time I go back to it.
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Post by: Bunnybread on October 10, 2017, 12:01:23 pm
Bears lost to the Vikings, last night.  20-17.  *Sigh*

Oh and they showed a commercial for another one of your Glowstick Sword/Yowling Bear movies.

How many of these goddamn things they gonna make?  I mean, these space movies didn't even have a chick with tri-tits.  What's the point?


Anyways, have fun. 
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Post by: Bunnybread on November 03, 2017, 04:19:13 pm
Ok, that previous post came off a lot shittier than I wanted it to. 

Now I will talk about the things I enjoy regarding the various wars between the stars. 

I had a precious few movies recorded in my youth.  Empire Strikes Back was one of them.  Luke getting his ass kicked by his dad was quite cool to my impressionable kid self.  That's when I knew I wanted to be big and strong and have a deep voice.  I willed that shit to happen.  Thank you, Darth Vader.  You've taught me how to be the deadbeat dad that I am today. 
I didn't even see the first (4th?) movie till they got re-released in the 90s so I kinda thought Kanobi was always a ghost.

The Phantom Menace is goddamn hilarious.  It's in my top ten awesome movies.  Right up there with Dolemite and Showgirls.  You got a dude who can't write dialogue directing a kid who can't act and a frog that no one asked for.  Every reason that people seemingly have to hate the movie is a reason to celebrate it.

Now I got a couple questions for actual fans. 

1 - Would you consider yourself more a fan of the movies or just the world that they exist in?

2 - Did anyone really like the Rogue film?  I watched about half of it on Netflix before I realized that it actually got placed on Netflix.  I don't think that's a good sign since I doubt any of the others were put up there.

Anyways, I'm sure I will see this next one at some point.  Just like I've seen nearly every other movie that commercials tell me to go watch.  Sorry if I came off dickish before. 
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Post by: Mique on November 03, 2017, 05:40:50 pm
I saw Star Trek: Rebel Fun in theaters, and didn't walk out half way through! I actually do kinda like it for two reasons.

Now I don't actually remember most of the movie, and I certainly can't recall any of the new characters' names, but the battle at the end was basically everything I want from a Star Wars movie.

The big dumb space battle in Rogue One is really the type of thing they could have used in Forced Awakening instead of just doing a lazy rehash of the battle from Episode IV.
Given that the series is called Star Wars and not Star Trek, I really feel that intergalactic war should be a selling point of the movies instead of just "oh shit we need a space battle! Just show some toys shooting space lasers at other toys and we'll come up with how they got there later."

The second reason I liked it is because the movie actually managed to undo years of dumb jokes and make Darth Vader threatening again. I think that one scene with him at the end made the whole movie worth it for me.

Aside from those two things? It wasn't great. CG Tarkin and Leia were super unsettling to look at, especially on the big screen.
Maybe I'm just being miserable and ungrateful, but part of me really hopes the next few Star Wars movies are so mediocre that it starts to kill off the franchise for good. I'd really like to see some new big things instead of just an everlasting deluge of nostalgia.
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Post by: Bunnybread on November 15, 2017, 12:49:13 pm
Thank you, Mique. 

Now.... I want more real fan responses.  How pissed are you at the new Battlefront game? 
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Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on November 15, 2017, 01:06:33 pm
Thank you, Mique. 

Now.... I want more real fan responses.  How pissed are you at the new Battlefront game?
Bunnybread, November 15, 2017, 12:49:13 pm
I wasn't planning on picking it up, might play Kotor 2 again
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Post by: Victor Laszlo on December 27, 2017, 01:45:15 pm
Maybe I'm just being miserable and ungrateful, but part of me really hopes the next few Star Wars movies are so mediocre that it starts to kill off the franchise for good. I'd really like to see some new big things instead of just an everlasting deluge of nostalgia.
Mique, November 03, 2017, 05:40:50 pm

What's that?  You want an everlasting deluge of nostalgia?  Well have we got the film you've been waiting for!  Star Wars Episode VIII: The Fan Service Checklist is in theaters now!  It sure is a Star Wars movie, you can tell because it has all of the elements of a Star Wars movie!  And we mean all of the elements!

I think there are three or four more Star Wars movies currently in production, so maybe don't hold your breath on the franchise going away anytime soon.  Disney didn't buy it in order to kill it.
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Post by: I Liked That Joke on December 28, 2017, 12:39:40 am
I saw the Last Jedi today and I liked it a whole lot! So did my parents!
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Post by: EYE OF ZA on December 28, 2017, 04:47:58 am
I saw The Last Jedi a week or so ago and liked it but didn't like its runtime or the fact that a good third of the movie wouldn't have happened if people had sat down and talked to each other. It was cool and fun, but messy in a way that I wasn't expecting from Certified Disney ProductTM.

Pre-warning: the only other Star Wars movies I'd seen all the way through were the prequels.

The whole casino planet bit was entirely irrelevant to the story, to the point that when the plan was suggested I felt like, wait, what? You can just pop off and take a break from this dire chase scene? So much of that felt superfluous. Why the two different codebreakers? Why introduce a need for a codebreaker in the first place? Just have Finn and Rose sneak onto the ship to disable the tracker. Why does Leia get blown into space and then make it safely back to the ship? All it does is leave her knocked out for a bit so that Po Dameron's subplot about blindly following authority can happen, thanks to the fact that Holdo is a dick about not telling people what the plan is.  Like, okay, sure, she doesn't want to tell him at first because he's just a pilot, but once he leads a god damn mutiny and holds her at gunpoint why doesn't she just say hey, idiot, here's the plan.

The real kicker is that these useless subplots don't progress the story at all. Finn and Rose don't disable the tracker. Leia interrupts Po Dameron's mutiny. When these subplots start, the Resistance is running from the First Order and suffering losses. When these subplots end, the Resistance is running from the First Order and suffering losses. The story loses nothing if you remove them entirely.

One of the other things the movie is real sloppy with is its themes. "Let go of the past" is its big overarching message, and that's the one it gets right. I already mentioned how Po's arc is about blind faith in authority. Maybe it was meant to be about how they all need to trust each other, but that's not what comes across in the film. Finn and Rose's arc ends with her keeping him from making a heroic sacrifice to save the Resistance base. She explains that she did it because they aren't going to win by making sacrifices. So was Holdo wrong to sacrifice herself to blow up the First Order ship? Is it wrong to make sacrifices for the greater good? Is it better for someone to die in an assault than it is to sacrifice themselves to stop that assault?

Don't get me wrong, I thought the movie was enjoyable, and it's got some really good moments. The whole Luke/Rey/Kylo plot is solid and has this underlying sense of uncertainty and dissatisfaction that felt both interesting and Star Warsy. But for a lot of the movie, I had the feeling that the plot had been written off the cuff, and they'd never gone back to revise it.
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Post by: Victor Laszlo on December 28, 2017, 09:17:48 am
See, I won't say I liked the Finn/Rose plan parts, because the casino bit was pretty dumb and it sounds like the casino was actually really far away and if "codebreaking" is just putting a metal conductor onto the computer panel then why couldn't BB-8 just do it?  It was an incredibly drawn out and forced way to introduce a character.  But, I did like that the hotshots mutinied and came up with a seat-of-your-pants plan to save the day, and not only did it not work but through the codebreaker's betrayal led to the situation getting a whole lot worse since that's how the First Order found the cloaked ships and killed 90% of the remaining resistance.  You can't solve all of your problems with moxie and a beeping robot is a lesson that took 8 movies to get to.

If Holdo planned to be on a suicide mission the whole time, which was clear from her goodbye scene with Leia, then why wait so long to lightspeed through the First Order ship?  You could have done that at any point, and certainly before 90% of the transports were destroyed.  That should have been your plan all along.  Although the First Order seemed to bounce right back based on the amount of firepower they landed on the Hoth lookalike so what was even the point?

The Jedi mind trick usually only works on weak minds.  Why did Kylo Ren fall for it so hard?  Is he a weak mind?  He's a whiny little manbaby but he's not been that specific sort of weak mind up to this point. 

People being able to survive in space is sort of implied in Star Wars since all of the big spaceships have an open hangar for the fighters and people walk around as if there is gravity and air to breathe, so that's all well and good, but Leia was blown out into the -455 degree, airless void of space and while unconscious uses the Force (has Leia ever used the Force before?  We learned in ROTJ that she is strong with it, but this feels like a heavy lift for her first documented use) to return to the ship?


I stand by my checklist opinion.  This movie has all of the elements of a Star Wars movie.  If you really like Star Wars, you will like it.  As a film in general, it's not great.
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Post by: I Liked That Joke on December 28, 2017, 08:30:59 pm
I figured that was more of a normal, social mind trick, no force required. That character is just a general sucker.
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Post by: KingKalamari on December 29, 2017, 11:31:23 pm
Man, folks on the Rotten Tomatoes user reviews are getting real worked up over the space laser movie...

I am a huge Star Wars fan and was excited to see TLJ. However, I have to agree with many of the other audience reviews and say I was immensely disappointed when I left the theater. The humor was forced and often silly. SJW themes throughout. Characters from TFA were not developed any further in this movie. I could go on and on...The worst though was how Lukes character was portrayed. Hamill made the most with what he was given, but the Luke in this movie is entirely inconsistent with original trilogy. WTF is all I can say after seeing this.
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I won't lie. The movie, as a film, was entertaining. Over time, however, I started to hate the movie more and more as I thought about how it fit into the SW universe. It doesn't. It doesn't fit at all. It should have been a new SciFi movie rather than Star Wars. Star Wars has an existing canon and universe which, even after Disney wiped the canonical slate, has its own rules, history, and expectations. Yet, even the movie is self-aware that it is trying to erase the established saga that has existed over generations. They literally say, "Let the past die." We came to this movie because of the past, because of its history. Why did they not just start from scratch and build a new franchise, rather than murder an existing one? Many people, myself included, have lost out hope for the future of the franchise, and have even chosen not to go see the next one because the canon is now beyond redemption.

This is made all the more potent when you consider the American politics that sneak their way into this film. Disney, we do not like it when movies are used as vehicles for political promotion. Star Wars has always been about good vs evil. Why do you so readily want to blur that line? You have dated this movie, and have removed any chance of it becoming a classic by your luck for propaganda. I have all the movies on DVD, but I will not buy this one. You have destroyed my love for Star Wars and murdered my hero, Luke Skywalker, replacing him with a bitter, depressed, spiteful old man. And SPOILERS, just when Luke starts to act like Luke again, you kill him again!

The only hope you have in redeeming yourself is remaking Episode VIII with a better plot before you proceed to Ep IX, but you won't because you don't care about the fans of the franchise, as long as you got your money. For shame.

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The death of star wars fan
Sorry to star with this words, but Disney thought that this was a pixar movie... I just saw the movie... it couldn't be worse, how can this company specialized in story telling get so many things so wrong:
1) Luke throwing the laser was the first blow... this is not luke, this is not what luke is all about. He represents a generation, that simply is not what was shown.
2) Eliminating the mask... the dark side.. the mask in everyone of us all... simply ridiculous. Lack of obscureness and respect for the dark side.
3) So many dumb jokes, at the worst moments, in the theater only two person laugh.
4) Rey's training, missed it. This decision was made by someone that doesn't develop a character, that doesn't matures it.... very bad film director
5) Lukes death...Not the moment... not the occasion, bad timming.Every one has a reason for its existence, if lukes character was reserved for this... please... you should have killed him in the 3rd movie.
6)Yoda, you could have done better
This was a lack of respect for the fans, for the story, to many characters... but so little in depth. George Lukes must be having nightmares... or be happy that the Phantom menace isn't the worst episode.
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Aside from the visuals this was one of the worst moves I have ever seen, along with the force awakens. There is not a single logical plot point in relation to the physics of the star wars universe, and the acting, editing, directing, and writing are atrocious. Mark hamill gives a good performance but it is impossible to tolerate Disney annihilaing every philosophical aspect of Star Wars, which are the only redeeming aspect of any the original films in the first place. This is a cash grab and a set up for the use of the Star Wars brand to be weaponized for billions and to stage a propaganda campaign for the brainwashing of children, which is Disney's obvious agenda since it's military branch did cartoons for the us military during the nuclear and anti Brown people propaganda campaigns after ww2. Watch Disney channel commercials with sociological intiution. You could write your doctorate in psychology deconstructing the subliminal garbage in this film, but most importantly there is a conspiracy and collective group think involved in the good reviews and acclaim this movie is recieving. Compare to the greatest films of all time. Even the revenant or lotr, this movie is just ontologically bad filmmaking. Think for yourself, remember the wisdom of master Yoda and obi-wan and stay true to your jedi or sith teachings. Fight this empire of Disney. They sell conservatives espn national anthems and big foot shows on the history channel and push sjw politics in Star Wars . They take both sides for your money it's a con. Anyone who likes this movie for its feminist values is a fool, like Disney cares about fighting the phallocracy, they are the vehicle of sexism, they sexualize little girls and turn them hem into pop gods. Have we lost our minds or what, the last jedi sucked and was really stupid. Anyway I'll let the movie speak for itself and your education limit your ability to see through it.
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Title: star wars thread
Post by: SirSlarty on December 30, 2017, 09:01:05 pm
Amazing. Every word in those reviews are wrong.
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Post by: Mique on December 30, 2017, 09:41:04 pm
It's an enjoyable movie to watch.
There are a few scenes I really liked, and I thought they took some really ballsy directions in the plot, and I do e.

Aside from that, I basically agree with what Victor and RSA said.
The more I think about it, the less I like the movie. Especially Rey. I really want to support her, but her characterization and motivations feel so weak.

It would have been so much more interesting if she had taken Kylo Ren's hand and joined him. Her interactions with him throughout the film felt so much more genuine than anything with either Luke or Han, and it seemed like there was a real connection between them, but she has to be the good guy because she just is for some reason. They even had that scene with her meditating with Luke where she 'went straight for the dark side', but I guess that didn't matter in this movie.

All in all, the movie was a lot different than I was expecting, and I don't think the writer/director got lazy at any point like in Force Awakens, but I do think he tried too hard in some areas and not enough in others.
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Post by: EYE OF ZA on December 30, 2017, 10:02:50 pm
I think the problem with Kylo and Rey joining forces and saying "fuck it" to both the Jedi and the Sith are that it would be too interesting. There's still stories to be told in a world where that happened, for sure, but it would be hard to make them Star Wars Official Disney ProductTM movies. And you saw those reviews from people who are furious that a movie like Star Wars could have a message of "hey, maybe the past wasn't great". Imagine if the movie had actually ended up changing something.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on January 04, 2018, 07:29:47 pm
See, I won't say I liked the Finn/Rose plan parts, because the casino bit was pretty dumb and it sounds like the casino was actually really far away and if "codebreaking" is just putting a metal conductor onto the computer panel then why couldn't BB-8 just do it?  It was an incredibly drawn out and forced way to introduce a character.  But, I did like that the hotshots mutinied and came up with a seat-of-your-pants plan to save the day, and not only did it not work but through the codebreaker's betrayal led to the situation getting a whole lot worse since that's how the First Order found the cloaked ships and killed 90% of the remaining resistance.  You can't solve all of your problems with moxie and a beeping robot is a lesson that took 8 movies to get to.

If Holdo planned to be on a suicide mission the whole time, which was clear from her goodbye scene with Leia, then why wait so long to lightspeed through the First Order ship?  You could have done that at any point, and certainly before 90% of the transports were destroyed.  That should have been your plan all along.  Although the First Order seemed to bounce right back based on the amount of firepower they landed on the Hoth lookalike so what was even the point?

The Jedi mind trick usually only works on weak minds.  Why did Kylo Ren fall for it so hard?  Is he a weak mind?  He's a whiny little manbaby but he's not been that specific sort of weak mind up to this point. 

People being able to survive in space is sort of implied in Star Wars since all of the big spaceships have an open hangar for the fighters and people walk around as if there is gravity and air to breathe, so that's all well and good, but Leia was blown out into the -455 degree, airless void of space and while unconscious uses the Force (has Leia ever used the Force before?  We learned in ROTJ that she is strong with it, but this feels like a heavy lift for her first documented use) to return to the ship?


I stand by my checklist opinion.  This movie has all of the elements of a Star Wars movie.  If you really like Star Wars, you will like it.  As a film in general, it's not great.
Victor Laszlo, December 28, 2017, 09:17:48 am

Using the conductor wasn't the codebreaking part of the plan. They needed the master codebreaker to crack the shields on the First Order's ship, not to open the door. Even beyond that, using Rose's pendant only opened the panel; there was evidently still a lot of hacking to do after the fact. As for why BB-8 couldn't have done it, that terminal was very much human-height, not droid-height.

Holdo's plan wasn't to take the First Order ship out with a suicide mission, it was to trick them into thinking that the Resistance was still on the command ship when it was blown up. Ideally, by this time, the transports would have reached the Crait base unnoticed, where they could wait things out and call for help. There wasn't any reason to attack the First Order head-on until they started firing on the transports, which they wouldn't have known about if DJ hadn't sold them out. Though it didn't destroy Snoke's command ship, this move by Holdo did at least allow the remaining transports to safely make it to the base.

As I Hated That Joke pointed out, Snoke wasn't using a mind trick- he was using the Force to bridge Kylo Ren's mind with Rey's, manipulating the two into falling into his trap.

The Leia thing is the most valid of these points because it's never actually addressed on-screen, but supposedly the official explanation is that Leia did begin Jedi training after ROTJ, but motherhood and her involvement in the New Republic kept her too busy to complete it. Also, Star Wars hangars aren't just open; the openings are covered by some sort of laser panel that lets ships through but effectively seals it off.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on February 24, 2018, 12:17:53 am
I have a question for everyone here who has watched the newer Star Wars films: what do you think of Kylo Ren?
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on February 24, 2018, 12:21:09 am
I have a question for everyone here who has watched the newer Star Wars films: what do you think of Kylo Ren?
Kaleidoscope, February 24, 2018, 12:17:53 am
hes cool
Title: star wars thread
Post by: GirlKisser420 on February 24, 2018, 12:46:04 am
Kylo Ren is interesting because he's explicitly this weird awkward asshole who fails constantly. It's new territory for star wars and I identify with it.
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Post by: EYE OF ZA on February 24, 2018, 02:39:21 am
Haven't seen Force Awakens, but I have seen Last Jedi. I really liked the idea of someone who was so fed up with both sides of the Force that he wanted to give up on the Jedi and the Sith entirely.

Of course, that's too interesting an idea for Star Wars, so they had to walk that back by the end of Last Jedi so that Star Wars can keep being Star Wars.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: GirlKisser420 on February 24, 2018, 03:04:44 am
Haven't seen Force Awakens, but I have seen Last Jedi. I really liked the idea of someone who was so fed up with both sides of the Force that he wanted to give up on the Jedi and the Sith entirely.

Of course, that's too interesting an idea for Star Wars, so they had to walk that back by the end of Last Jedi so that Star Wars can keep being Star Wars.
RADICAL SANDWICH ANARCHY, February 24, 2018, 02:39:21 am

check out Knights of the Old Republic 2 if you haven't.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on February 24, 2018, 06:41:42 pm
I guess I'm the minority here or rather I think Kylo could be interesting but it seems to be a victim of bad writing thanks to TLJ. Like he has potential but they haven't unlocked it yet.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Ambious on February 25, 2018, 07:03:38 am
I like what they've done with Kylo. A dark side character constantly feeling regret and doubt and pull towards the light rather than the cliched opposite.
I also like that he didn't (yet) have a redemption arc. I don't think every story has to go that way.

Haven't seen Force Awakens, but I have seen Last Jedi. I really liked the idea of someone who was so fed up with both sides of the Force that he wanted to give up on the Jedi and the Sith entirely.

Of course, that's too interesting an idea for Star Wars, so they had to walk that back by the end of Last Jedi so that Star Wars can keep being Star Wars.
RADICAL SANDWICH ANARCHY, February 24, 2018, 02:39:21 am

The interesting part about it is that technically neither Kylo Ren nor Snoke are Sith. They're Dark Jedi, yes, but not Sith.
The differences may be semantic at best, but they're there.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on February 26, 2018, 02:27:09 pm
My problem is that Kylo comes off as an immature brat instead of someone you’re supposed to fear. I understand he’s grappling with his inner demons and the like but he really comes off as a child who wants a toy instead of someone who instills fear.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Yavuz on February 26, 2018, 05:46:49 pm
My problem is that Kylo comes off as an immature brat instead of someone you’re supposed to fear. I understand he’s grappling with his inner demons and the like but he really comes off as a child who wants a toy instead of someone who instills fear.
Kaleidoscope, February 26, 2018, 02:27:09 pm

You say that like the thought of an immature brat who wants a toy doesn't strike fear into the hearts of parents and babysitters everywhere.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Dr. Buttplug on February 27, 2018, 12:45:17 am
Kylo is that immature petulant child, only he's been given real tangible power. That's what's frightening. It's like if your shitty two year old suddenly whipped out a gun.
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Post by: Bunnybread on March 12, 2018, 10:50:58 pm
like if your shitty two year old suddenly whipped out a gun.
Jackal Flapnasty, February 27, 2018, 12:45:17 am


Which is also a fairly standard fear that most American parents and babysitters have.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on March 14, 2018, 09:50:58 pm
I think the problem for me is that LF keeps on trying to make Kylo Ren the next Darth Vader and he’s not. He’s not intimidating in the least. He reminds me of those teenagers who act as if they are so oppressed because they’re a bit quirky and act like an asshole for no good reason. He’s one of the major failings of this new SW trilogy and it got worse when Rian ‘I Have a Hard On for Kylo Ren’ Johnson stepped in to direct the TLJ. Instead of trying to make the character scary or a credible threat, he tried to make us feel sad for Kylo and fucked up fantastically on that front

Just an FYI, I have no love for Rian Johnson.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: EYE OF ZA on March 14, 2018, 10:18:23 pm
I went back and watched the original trilogy recently, because I'd never actually seen them, only the prequels when I was growing up and, more recently, Last Jedi.

They're pretty good movies, and in a weird way, I think the much lower budget of the first one was to its advantage. The lightsaber fight in it is laughably bad, but because they don't have the budget for any neat special effects, the Force is more of a mystical sense than a superpower. Off the top of my head, the only time someone actively does something with the force is the Jedi mind trick.

Also, now that I've seen all of them, I can see the all the bits and pieces that Disney is Disney-ing in order to make the new movies feel like Star Wars. If there's one thing that dystopian media conglomerate is good at, it's making things that feel like the things that you remember.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on March 15, 2018, 08:16:48 pm
Another question: is anyone genuinely excited about the Han Solo movie?
Title: star wars thread
Post by: duz on March 16, 2018, 09:42:23 am
Yes, but mainly because it's more classic era Star Wars.
I would be more excited if they let Lord and Miller finish since they're solid.
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Post by: Nikaer Drekin on March 18, 2018, 10:16:26 pm
I think the problem for me is that LF keeps on trying to make Kylo Ren the next Darth Vader
Kaleidoscope, March 14, 2018, 09:50:58 pm

They're really not, though; Kylo Ren is trying to make Kylo Ren the next Darth Vader. That's the point. The roles they play in the actual stories are vastly different. Vader's strength and slavish devotion to the dark side is what made him frightening, but the scariest thing about Kylo Ren is his unpredictability- it's almost impossible to know what he's going to do next. He's a supremely warped, confused, pathetic character, viciously angry but without any real sense of purpose or self control, desperate to achieve the level of power and certainty (he thinks) his grandfather had. And now this emotionally-stunted manchild is in charge of a fascist dictatorship. Trying to humanize a character and make him psychologically interesting doesn't mean Rian Johnson had a "hard-on" for him.

Off the top of my head, the only time someone actively does something with the force is the Jedi mind trick.
RADICAL SANDWICH ANARCHY, March 14, 2018, 10:18:23 pm

(https://i.imgur.com/JCUP1xY.jpg?1)

Captain Needa would disagree.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on March 19, 2018, 12:38:33 am
I think the problem for me is that LF keeps on trying to make Kylo Ren the next Darth Vader
Kaleidoscope, March 14, 2018, 09:50:58 pm

They're really not, though; Kylo Ren is trying to make Kylo Ren the next Darth Vader. That's the point. The roles they play in the actual stories are vastly different. Vader's strength and slavish devotion to the dark side is what made him frightening, but the scariest thing about Kylo Ren is his unpredictability- it's almost impossible to know what he's going to do next. He's a supremely warped, confused, pathetic character, viciously angry but without any real sense of purpose or self control, desperate to achieve the level of power and certainty (he thinks) his grandfather had. And now this emotionally-stunted manchild is in charge of a fascist dictatorship. Trying to humanize a character and make him psychologically interesting doesn't mean Rian Johnson had a "hard-on" for him.
Nikaer Drekin, March 18, 2018, 10:16:26 pm

The problem is that Johnson sacrifices other characters for Kylo’s development. There was zero reason to do that. If Rian wanted to make Kylo interesting, he didn’t have to ruin the characters of Rey and Luke to do so.

Rey get’s the worse because she’s falling into the trope of ‘I can save him’ which is an old trope that needs to die. Rey owes Kylo nothing and for Rey to suddenly want to save Kylo out of nowhere also doesn’t fit the narrative. Rey saw Kylo kill Han. Kylo also invaded and Kylo left Finn, a man Rey obviously cares about, for dead. Why would she suddenly want to save him? It’s barely been a day. That makes no sense and it’s just bad writing.

And the issue with humanizing a character like Kylo Ren is that he is literally a Nazi stand-in. JJ Abrams, who directed the first movie, openly stated that he based the FO off of Nazis. In this political climate, trying to humanize a character who is a literal space Nazi is a bad thing. Rian Johnson, apparently, didn’t get the memo. We also can’t really sympathize with Kylo because we have zero idea why he is the way he is. He was raised by two loving parents and was being taught by his uncle who cared about him so why is he like this? Was he abused? Did someone hurt him? We don’t know, we are never told.

Yes, Rian had a huge hard-on for Kylo and it’s pretty obvious because the rest of the characters suffer for it. Rey has her character ruined for a man, we don’t get enough time with Poe and Finn and what little time we get with Luke is ruined due to poor writing. If Rian could have stopped worshiping Kylo for two seconds, he could have managed to make a semi-decent film but instead, we’re stuck with an Emo Wankfest.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Yavuz on March 19, 2018, 10:32:17 am
You say that the trope of "I can save him" is an old one that needs to die, but that's literally Luke's goal in Return of the Jedi. He's fought against Darth Vader, someone who was steeped in evil for far longer than Kylo Ren ever was, someone who mutilated Luke and froze Han in carbonite, who blew up Leia's planet while Leia watched. And yet Luke saw something good in Vader and tried to bring it out. It doesn't excuse what Vader did, it doesn't make it retroactively less terrible, it just means that there was more than one dimension to him, and that's perfectly fine. And Rian Johnson didn't try to humanize all of the space Nazis. Hux was still just the fucking worst, Phasma was still a sociopath.

As for Luke's portions, I don't think his character was ruined. I think it was perfectly reasonable for him to be conflicted about the Jedi path after he failed with Kylo Ren and saw his other students either murdered or turned to the dark side. (Quite frankly, there are a lot of reasons to doubt that the Jedi actually have the right way of thinking.) But Rey comes in to help him see that it's not all lost, that there is still hope, and he sacrifices himself to keep that hope alive. It's a very good story, IMO, and I can't think of a decent alternative story where he's not at least a bit upset about what happened, where he's not doubting himself at least a bit.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on March 19, 2018, 11:13:06 am
No, for women

Rey trying to save Kylo is an example of a woman taking it on herself to save a man. The man does no work, it’s the woman’s job. And that, is an extremely sexist, old trope that has to die. Rey owes Kylo NOTHING. Again, Kylo just killed Han and hurt Finn. She has zero reasons to suddenly want to save him. She doesn’t have enough time to think it over. People don’t work that way and again, Rey owes Kylo nothing. For her to want to suddenly save him out of nowhere is extremely bad writing.

And the thing about trying to humanize Kylo is it doesn’t work because we still know nothing about him. Let’s look at the character of Erik Killmonger from Black Panther. The reason we can sympathize with Erik is because he came from the streets, had to deal with the death of his father and feels like Wakanda abandoned him. He also makes a great point: Wakanda has all these resources to help other black people yet they hide. While he goes about trying to help his people the wrong way, we understand where he’s coming from. His motivations make sense and once we learn about his backstory, we sympathize with him

Rian did none of that with Kylo Ren. That’s the problem. You can’t try to make us sympathize with a character who has been awful. At this point, Kylo has done a single thing to make us want to sympathize with him. Wanting to make him relatable doesn’t work unless we see something good in him and at this point, we haven’t. It comes off as Rian just wanting to focus on Kylo because he thinks Kylo is cool and that is a sign of extremely bad writing. And even if Hux and Phasma are still terrible people, Kylo himself is still a Nazi. Rian wanted to make a Nazi stand-in relatable without having the character look at his actions and feel responsible. You can’t do that. Again, it’s bad writing.

The Force Awakens introduced to us two Rey, Finn and Poe. Those three characters are supposed to be our new trio and they have they have the most to offer in terms of story. A ton of things were set up but instead of following through, Rian Johnson did his own thing and the movie ended hurting because of it. Had Johnson wanted to try to make Kylo sympathetic or relatable, he should have explained why Kylo turned to the dark side or give us a tragic backstory so we could understand. Instead, Kylo just comes off as overly dramatic and the other characters are sacrificed in order for Kylo to have the spotlight. There is zero reason for that.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on March 19, 2018, 11:59:21 am
There was literally no more reason, apart from vague familial ties that have never really meant anything to him, for Luke to save Darth Vader, either. I mean, we have the prequels now, we know why Anakin Skywalker fell to the dark side, but in the context of the original trilogy he was more or less a total unknown. Luke fought to save him because he saw the good in him, he saw the glimmer of light buried deep within him that could be saved. And, you know, because turning one of the most evil, powerful figures in the Empire to the light would more or less mean the Empire is over. Rey sees the same conflict, the same pull towards the light in Kylo that Luke saw in Vader. She's not trying to save him because he's a confused man who needs a woman to straighten him out, it's because she knows that this kind of redemption is possible and is worth fighting for. Luke is living proof of that, and if she accomplishes with Kylo Ren what Luke did with Vader, the war is over. The First Order crumbles, and her friends are safe.

One crucial detail I loved in the film is the way Rey refers to him over the course of her training. At the start, without exception, she calls him "Kylo," but once she gains some insight into his personality and learns more about what made him who he is, she realizes his humanity- she refers to him as "Ben" from then on. And, while it might not be the most tragic backstory possible, I'd imagine believing that your uncle, the living embodiment of goodness and redemption in the galaxy, tried to murder you in your sleep would fuck up a person pretty badly.
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Post by: Kaleidoscope on March 19, 2018, 12:26:47 pm
But it doesn’t fit!

Again, Rey saw Kylo hurt her friends and murder someone just a day ago. Had she been given a year or two, it would make sense for her to suddenly want to help Kylo but it comes out of nowhere and makes Rey look like a flake. People don’t work that way. Rey should be angry and for her to just suddenly want to help Kylo doesn’t fit. It comes out of left field and it feels awkward.

As for Luke having one moment of weakness, that doesn’t really excuse Kylo’s actions at all. Kylo then goes to slaughter the other students, many who were children, and goes on to kill many other people. Again, if you want us to feel bad for him, you have to give us a good reason. Luke admits he regretted trying to hurt Kylo and the moment passed. We need to see what else shaped Kylo to turn to the dark side. Did he suffer abuse, was he tormented, what else was there?

Kylo is one of the weakest aspects of this new trilogy. He’s not threatening and if we’re supposed to sympathize with him, we can’t because there isn’t a reason to yet. Rey is an orphanage who waited for her family to come get her, only to realize they were never coming back. That makes her relatable and we feel for her. Finn was kidnapped as a child and raised to be a killing machine. That’s a backstory we can sympathize with. Kylo? All we know is that his uncle had a moment of weakness, one he regretted and Kylo went off to kill children. That doesn’t make him sympathetic in the least.

Another issue is that we have Poe and Finn. They’re both interesting characters yet we still don’t know much about them. TLJ could have been the movie to help flesh their characters out but again, we have to focus on the white main pain of our villain. To make matters worse, Poe’s character gets ruined and Finn gets no growth along with a pointless side story that adds nothing to the plot. Rian could have given Poe and Finn some growth while trying to flesh out Kylo but he failed fantastically at that.
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Post by: Moose on March 19, 2018, 12:29:09 pm
And, while it might not be the most tragic backstory possible, I'd imagine believing that your uncle, the living embodiment of goodness and redemption in the galaxy, tried to murder you in your sleep would fuck up a person pretty badly.
Nikaer Drekin, March 19, 2018, 11:59:21 am

yep, this, also Snoke being around and manipulating the hell out of Kylo didn't help much.

i can see how Rey trying to get through to Kylo can come off as "woman tries to save man from his stupid fucking self yet again," but like Nikaer said, Luke did this with his own father. both Luke and Rey sensed conflict in Anakin/Vader and Ben/Kylo, which suggested a possibility for redirection; it's not surprising that they would try to guide somebody back to the Light when they see that person still has some sliver of humanity in them, however small.

i don't think Kylo should be excused for anything he did, but he's definitely been through some shit and i don't blame Rey at all for wanting to try and get him on the right path. personally i didn't view it as a gender thing as much as a "look, i've got trauma too, the world sucks, let me help you."
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on March 19, 2018, 12:49:02 pm
My issue is that it could have done better. Instead of having the movie take right after TFA, having Rey wanting to help Kylo would fit. Having her suddenly, out of nowhere, want to help Kylo doesn’t make any sense. What she knows about him is that he’s a cold blooded killer, he’s hurt her friends and she has no reason to trust him. This ‘There is light in’ comes out of left field. It would have made more sense to have Rey grow, study with Luke and learn more about Kylo. But just having her want to save the murdering fascist who tried to kill her and her new family just doesn’t make sense. That is why it comes off as ‘I can fix him’ nonsense.

My problem with Kylo is mainly people are clamoring for a redemption arc and he’s not there yet. I’m not saying Kylo can’t redeem himself but it seems like he is hellbent on being the next Supreme Leader. He also doesn’t want to be saved at this point and with just one more movie coming up, I don’t think he can unless JJ decides to split episode 9 into two movies. That is my major issue. Kylo has done anything to make us want for him to be saved and I am not against a redemption arc but it has to be earned. At this point, Kylo has hurt all the heroes within the new saga so he would have a long way to go before he’s even closed to being redeemable. And Johnson did not do a good job of trying to make Kylo relatable in anyway.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on March 19, 2018, 01:02:39 pm
i don't think Kylo should be excused for anything he did, but he's definitely been through some shit and i don't blame Rey at all for wanting to try and get him on the right path. personally i didn't view it as a gender thing as much as a "look, i've got trauma too, the world sucks, let me help you."
Bombshops, March 19, 2018, 12:29:09 pm

Right, they've both got serious abandonment/trust issues, which allows for them to gain some basic understanding of each other. Their initial trauma isn't so different, but they dealt with it in vastly different ways- Rey by forming friendships with Han and Finn/helping the Resistance, and Ben by trying to lose his insecurities in the influence of Snoke. Kylo's method pushed his issues away, only making them grow and fester, while Rey has actually made some progress in overcoming her own anxieties.

Another issue is that we have Poe and Finn. They’re both interesting characters yet we still don’t know much about them. TLJ could have been the movie to help flesh their characters out but again, we have to focus on the white main pain of our villain. To make matters worse, Poe’s character gets ruined and Finn gets no growth along with a pointless side story that adds nothing to the plot. Rian could have given Poe and Finn some growth while trying to flesh out Kylo but he failed fantastically at that.
Kaleidoscope, March 19, 2018, 12:26:47 pm

Okay, now I straight-up don't know what movie you watched. Poe's character in The Force Awakens was paper-thin! He was a devoted rebel who was a good pilot, and that's it. That's the extent of who he was as a person. TLJ gives him an actual flaw (well-intentioned arrogance) and forces him to come to terms with his place in the power structure of the Resistance. His conflicts with Leia and Holdo force him to become a wiser, more thoughtful leader who trusts his instincts while keeping the broader picture in mind, something he's clearly unable to do at the start of the film.

Finn's plot in the film might seems like a pointless side-story, but it's actually about him figuring out what kind of man he's going to become now that he's outside the influence of the First Order. Even though he's broken from their grip, in some ways he still thinks like a stormtrooper; he craves vengeance and the destruction of the First Order. The Last Jedi forces Finn to make a choice. He's tempted by, and rejects, the nihilism of DJ, and doing so is forced to deal with his own desire to escape to safety. From Rose, he learns what being a rebel is all about. It isn't just eradicating evil, it's "protecting what we love"- acting as a force for good in the galaxy. Compare the way he acts at the beginning of the movie to the end. At the start, he's willing to jump ship and leave the Resistance behind in order to save himself and Rey. By the end, he chooses to stay with the Resistance on Crait, even if it means dying with them. He knows that a good cause is worth sticking by to the end.

If that's not character growth, I don't know what is.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on March 19, 2018, 01:07:08 pm
It’s obvious we’re just going to go in circles with this conversation so I’m just going to say my last piece and be done with it.

TLJ is a weak film. It’s dull, it drags, the characters have little to no development, the new characters that are added are pointless and the established characters we love are ruined. I hated TLJ and so far, it’s my least favorite Star Wars film. I am thankful that Rian Johnson isn’t going to direct the next movie and I cannot wait for JJ to come back to fix the mess he made.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: EYE OF ZA on March 19, 2018, 01:41:52 pm
JJ Abrams, a director noted for cleaning up messes and concluding series on a satisfying high note.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Yavuz on March 19, 2018, 02:37:35 pm
I would say that, for myself, some of the best parts of the broader Star Wars universe have been stories where you see the world through the POV of the bad folks. Kieron Gillen's Darth Vader series, James Luceno's Tarkin, Timothy Zahn's Thrawn books. You get to see that, oh wait, maybe they're not just cartoony mustache-twirling villains, they have motivations that make sense in their own heads. And that makes them better characters, even if it doesn't make them better people. No one aside from juvenile edgelords gets up in the morning and thinks "fuck yeah im gonna go do evil shit", and I think good fiction should reflect that, even as it shows why the villains are the villains.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on March 22, 2018, 02:16:29 pm
Okay, last time I'll post here. Here's a good article  (https://www.themarysue.com/the-inclusive-illusion-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi/)that sums up some of my issues with the latest SW movie.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on March 22, 2018, 05:05:15 pm
There are a lot of issues I have with this piece, but I'm just going to focus on the Poe Dameron paragraph for the moment.

Part of diversity is actively putting your characters of color in impactful roles and allowing them to live as most white leads do.

Okay, yes, this is absolutely true.

Poe Dameron is also changed from the responsible and caring person he was in The Force Awakens to a reckless, disobedient, and glory-obsessed pilot. It’s very upsetting to turn one of the Latinx characters of Star Wars into a Latinx stereotype.

Poe had like three minutes of screen time in The Force Awakens, so we very well might just not gotten a full picture of him as a character. Also, I'm not sure when he's "glory-obsessed," even at his most reckless Poe is definitely in it for the sake of the Resistance, even if his perspective is misguided. And you'd have to think extremely broadly to consider those traits Latinx stereotypes, at least the way they're utilized in the movie.

Poe is forced to deal with his new leader, Admiral Holdo, who he has a right to question, as she denies any of the Resistance information about her plan.

When does Holdo deny "any of the Resistance" information about her plan? She shuts Poe out of the planning process, and I'd say she's pretty justified in doing so, since he just ignored orders from his general and flew a mission that got their whole bombing squadron killed. She clearly confers with other officers about the plan, just not Poe.

Once again, the narrative slams down on Poe, as he later gets punished by getting shot unconscious by General Organa, followed by Leia and Holdo saying how they “like” him despite how they’ve treated him.

HE LITERALLY COMMITTED MUTINY!! Even though he thought he was doing the right thing, he still held his commanding officer hostage and put the fleet at risk. Leia and Holdo must like him, because that's about the mildest punishment you could hope for in that situation.

Leia’s “follow him” line on Crait is too little, too late, as The Last Jedi gave Poe, Finn, Rose, and Paige the backseat in terms of story treatment.

That line is Leia recognizing that Poe has grown as a leader and a person, because he realized that the attack on the cannon wasn't working and ordered a retreat to protect those under his command. He made mistakes and learned from them. This is the exact opposite of putting a character in "the backseat," and why the first sentence in this paragraph feels somewhat hollow for me. The Last Jedi puts Poe in a way, way more central and meaningful position than The Force Awakens ever did. It allowed him to make tough decisions and develop as a character, but this writer doesn't seem to like it because he faces (completely reasonable) consequences for his decisions. But that's what well-rounded characters do! That's giving characters of color the same agency white characters have, not to mention good writing in general.

E: Okay, just two more:

Rose is left in a state of limbo at the film’s conclusion, and it’s implied that there might be a competition between her and Rey for Finn’s attention, because how feminist is it to have two women fighting over a man, right?

Did anyone else see the way Rey looked at Poe when she met him? I think Finn and Rose are going to be just fine.

Rey herself has no major role in the final battle other than rescuing the Resistance.

Yeah, she does nothing, except saving everyone's lives. So lazy, Rey. Get it together.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Yavuz on March 22, 2018, 06:15:23 pm
I'd also like to take issue with a few things here.

Rian Johnson himself stated in his interview with the LA Times, “So I knew I wanted them to talk, and to talk enough to where we could go from “I hate you,” to her being forced to actually engage with him.“ In our current times, it’s disturbing how our female lead is expected to excuse a threatening and violent white man just because of his tragic backstory.

She's not expected to excuse him, and ultimately, she doesn't excuse him. She just has to engage with him, to reckon with the question of how the son of two great heroes went wrong. Why is suggesting that there might be more than just "arglebargle evil" to Kylo Ren a bad thing? Also, did they forget the part in The Force Awakens where he was clearly conflicted? Putting nuance into a character does not mean you have to agree with them.

After Rey’s parentage reveal, Kylo tells her, “You have no place in this story.”

Yes, because he's a fucking asshole darksider. He's wrong. Rey absolutely has a place in the story, and, incidentally, it's 100 percent fine that she isn't Obi-Wan's granddaughter or Ben/Kylo's twin or whatever. Not everything needs to be connected to the previous films.

Even when Finn tries to do the right thing, the narrative slaps—or, unfortunately, tases—him for it. When he tries to get Rey’s beacon away from the First Order so she won’t be falling into a trap, Rose Tico calls him a traitor, tases him, and spends an entire storyline teaching him not to be selfish—because clearly choosing to spare innocents’ lives and going back for Rey were not selfless enough? Finn is forced to go on a downgraded version of his Force Awakens arc. The meaningless Canto Bight plot is regarded by even fans of the film as the weakest link, and it’s upsetting because Finn and Rose deserve better.

Let's take this piece by piece. The reason Rose tases him is that she thinks he's deserting and it's her job to tase people who are deserting. I would also say that his loyalty to the Resistance is not necessarily clear at this point, given that he left the First Order so recently (as the author pointed out previously, it's only been a few days, in-universe, since the events of The Force Awakens), and even after he left it, he tried to just flee the First Order. Rose is trying to show Finn (who, lest we forget, wasn't just a child soldier - the First Order is all he ever knew) that there's better reasons to fight the First Order than just "I hate them" or "I fear them". I also liked the way that the Canto Bight plot brought some moral ambiguity into the plot, suggesting that maybe all of this war in general is not a good thing, and maybe the Resistance isn't all sweetness and light.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: SHAMBA~1.SBB on March 22, 2018, 07:19:33 pm
Oh, boy.  I'm just so tired of all these star wars.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on March 22, 2018, 07:55:09 pm
Oh, boy.  I'm just so tired of all these star wars.
Sham bam bamina!, March 22, 2018, 07:19:33 pm

Someone needs to sign a dang treaty and get us some Star Peace already
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Moose on March 22, 2018, 11:20:47 pm

Poe Dameron is also changed from the responsible and caring person he was in The Force Awakens to a reckless, disobedient, and glory-obsessed pilot. It’s very upsetting to turn one of the Latinx characters of Star Wars into a Latinx stereotype.

Poe had like three minutes of screen time in The Force Awakens, so we very well might just not gotten a full picture of him as a character. Also, I'm not sure when he's "glory-obsessed," even at his most reckless Poe is definitely in it for the sake of the Resistance, even if his perspective is misguided. And you'd have to think extremely broadly to consider those traits Latinx stereotypes, at least the way they're utilized in the movie.
Nikaer Drekin, March 22, 2018, 05:05:15 pm

yeah, as someone who is half-Latinx and very much against Latinx stereotypes in media, i don't really understand where the author is coming from here. it's not like Poe was pulling some Scarface or Blood In, Blood Out type shit. there have been plenty of white male characters in films that have been written as "reckless, disobedient, and glory-obsessed" (and Tom Cruise has probably played fifty percent of them), so to me, that takeaway seems like one hell of a reach.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on May 14, 2018, 08:07:21 pm
So I made a Star Wars Video full of Star Wars Thoughts and figured, what better place to put it than the Star Wars Thread? Enjoy!

Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on June 10, 2018, 03:40:28 pm
“Star Wars” trolls drove Kelly Marie Tran off social media, exposing an ugly side of fandom (https://www.salon.com/2018/06/08/the-treatment-of-kelly-marie-tran-exposes-the-worst-elements-of-fandom_partner/)

It's offical: The Star Wars fandom is garbage
Title: star wars thread
Post by: SHAMBA~1.SBB on June 10, 2018, 04:39:09 pm
What's garbage is "fandom", not merely this particular strain.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: EYE OF ZA on June 10, 2018, 05:48:26 pm
The whole thing is kind of garbage. The article's saying white male Star Wars fans should be doing more to speak out about shithead trolls, but that's not going to stop the shithead trolls, it's just going to give them more people to call cucks. If it was some sort of small, insular community, self-policing might help, but for something as huge as Star Wars you're basically dealing with the public as a whole.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on June 11, 2018, 11:25:42 am
What's especially rotten about all of this (not that it wouldn't be awful anyway) is that by all indications KMT is an incredibly sweet, positive person. That there are so many awful, hateful people commanding massive fanbases online and someone like Kelly gets singled out for doing nothing wrong feels deeply broken.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on June 15, 2018, 01:12:02 am
We know why Kelly was singled out. Because she's a woman and they don't belong in Star Wars according to a large portion of the fanbase.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: SHAMBA~1.SBB on June 15, 2018, 03:08:58 am
We know why Kelly was singled out. Because she's a woman and they don't belong in Star Wars according to a large portion of the fanbase.Kaleidoscope, June 15, 2018, 01:12:02 am
"The fanbase" isn't some enclosed space; it's a category that overlaps with countless others in everyone that it includes.  The operative categories here are harassers, misogynists, and fanatics (irrespective of object).  None of this has to do specifically with women "in Star Wars" or with "the Star Wars fandom" just because Star Wars happens to be the avenue for this particular expression of those much-wider-ranging personal qualities.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Kaleidoscope on June 16, 2018, 08:42:25 am
Except it kinda does?

Like I know not every single Star Wars fan is a terrible, ugly, unloveable misogynists but ever since Daisy Ridley was shown to be one of the main characters of the new trilogy, people lost their minds. A group of MRAs tried to get The Force Awakens to fail because not only was there a woman in SW but also because a black man (John Boyega) was also a lead. Daisy Ridley also left her social media accounts due to harassment and people still want to claim that feminism ruined Star Wars. Yeah, not everyone is like this but these people have loud voices and try to drown out others.

Fandoms are extremely unwelcoming to women and with stuff like SW, it's worse because certain fans think it only belongs to men. Again, not every male fan is like this but there are enough of them and they are dangerous. Yeah, they just drove two female actresses off their social media accounts but imagine what they can do in real life. The issue is trying to just ignore them. By ignoring them, they're being told they're right and that what they're doing works. They need to be confronted. And I'm saying this as someone who has been active in the SW fandom. Yes, I well aware of how toxic fandoms can be but I love SW and fan-created content. I've seen how a certain sect of fans talk about certain characters and they just ooze sexism. So yeah, Kelly's harassment has everything to do with the backlash against women in Star Wars as well as the Star Wars fandom.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on June 16, 2018, 10:24:50 am
A group of MRAs tried to get The Force Awakens to fail
Kaleidoscope, June 16, 2018, 08:42:25 am

Key word here being "tried"- the actual impact of their efforts was laughably pathetic, considering the movie made just shy of a literal billion dollars. Not that I think these people should be ignored; by all means, their toxic attitudes should be called out whenever possible. But the idea that they're a "large portion" of Star Wars fans in particular doesn't really track. If they were really so significant and influential within the Star Wars fanbase, wouldn't Solo, the only one of these new Disney Star Wars movies so far with a white male lead, be doing better box office than it is?
Title: star wars thread
Post by: SHAMBA~1.SBB on June 16, 2018, 05:00:38 pm
Except it kinda does?Kaleidoscope, June 16, 2018, 08:42:25 am
You're missing my point.  This kind of thing is hardly localized to Star Wars, and I'd be willing to bet a lot of money (not that enough certainty for anyone to collect would be possible) that the new films have drawn out a lot of hateful people who otherwise wouldn't even care about Star Wars, purely because it's a massively visible target for their attitudes.  You even hint at this yourself when you attribute anger at The Force Awakens to "a group of MRAs".  If anything, I would expect the grievance of existing fans to be the new films' erasure of the old canon (which had plenty of female leads and writers).
Title: star wars thread
Post by: EYE OF ZA on June 16, 2018, 11:46:23 pm
Yeah, it's hard to say that this is a problem with the Star Wars fanbase when this is is a problem that has happened to women who wanted to keep a woman's image on the back of the five-pound bank note (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/aug/04/caroline-criado-perez-twitter-rape-threats), or who talked about feminism and video games (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/15/gamergate-feminist-video-game-critic-anita-sarkeesian-cancels-utah-lecture-after-threat-citing-police-inability-to-prevent-concealed-weapons-at-event/), or who were one in four out of a random sample of Twitter users (https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/03/amnesty-international-slams-twitter-for-response-to-online-harassment-of-women.html).

It sucks, but it's more of a problem with Twitter and its lack of moderation, and the insular echo-chamber effect of imageboards where dissatisfied shitheads convince each other that it's cultural marxism and the SJWs who have made their lives suck, more than it is a problem within any particular fandom.

To be fair, I'm not super in-touch with the Star Wars fandom, so maybe there are major fandom figures who are apologists for the angry chan dudes and are trying to push some narrative of "well maybe the truth is in the middle between 'we shouldn't harass Kelly Tran' and 'kill you're self'". But from the outside as someone who doesn't interact with the fandom, I don't see a difference between this and all the other times people have been harassed because of nerd outrage whipped up into harassment by imageboard and reddit shitheads.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: SHAMBA~1.SBB on June 17, 2018, 12:36:05 am
Fandoms are extremely unwelcoming to womenKaleidoscope, June 16, 2018, 08:42:25 am
I also have a hard time believing this premise.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: A Whirring Bone-White Gleech on June 23, 2018, 06:26:09 am
I'm stepping in at the end of a long thread that appears to have touched on some heavy stuff, but

I fucking hate Star Wars.

(https://i.imgur.com/lahfLMn.png)
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on July 01, 2018, 12:11:39 pm
One thing I've been thinking about recently is that, in terms of movies, the prequel era was not exactly a high point for Star Wars. I've got a lot of affection for the prequels and I appreciate a lot of storytelling stuff they tried to do, but... as films, they're not great. But that same stretch of time was quite possibly the golden age for Star Wars video games.

There were so many fantastic games that came out around that time: Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, the first two Battlefronts, Rogue Squadron, Republic Commando, the Jedi Knight games, even stuff like Episode One Racer. I never really got into Galaxies or Empire at War but I feel like they were really well-liked, too. It's unfortunate that Disney (and EA, I suppose) haven't really been able to match the bar for quality that LucasArts set in the late 90s and early 2000s.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Yavuz on July 01, 2018, 01:03:46 pm
One thing I've been thinking about recently is that, in terms of movies, the prequel era was not exactly a high point for Star Wars. I've got a lot of affection for the prequels and I appreciate a lot of storytelling stuff they tried to do, but... as films, they're not great. But that same stretch of time was quite possibly the golden age for Star Wars video games.

There were so many fantastic games that came out around that time: Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, the first two Battlefronts, Rogue Squadron, Republic Commando, the Jedi Knight games, even stuff like Episode One Racer. I never really got into Galaxies or Empire at War but I feel like they were really well-liked, too. It's unfortunate that Disney (and EA, I suppose) haven't really been able to match the bar for quality that LucasArts set in the late 90s and early 2000s.
Nikaer Drekin, July 01, 2018, 12:11:39 pm

It seems like the new Battlefronts weren't necessarily terrible games with regard to the actual gaming part, but EA/Disney's bad decisions hobbled them. IIRC, the rebooted Battlefront was released before it was finished because they wanted to link it to the release of The Force Awakens, so it came out kind of half-baked and bad. And then of course, new Battlefront II got fucked up because of EA's comical greediness.

I think another point to be made is that there have been quite a few Star Wars video games that have come out since Disney bought LucasFilm, but most of them have been on smartphones. Which is not ideal, just in general.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Bunnybread on October 11, 2018, 07:48:10 am
I saw the new worstest movie ever in the history of mankind over on netflix.  I mean, I get it if folks are pissed that Luke died after a ForceTime call and that is a pretty weird way to go out.  But it wasn't THAT bad.

(https://i.imgur.com/lahfLMn.png)
A Whirring, Bone-White Gleech, June 23, 2018, 06:26:09 am

Got you, fam....
https://twitter.com/PTSDGuts/status/1048607343447920640/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/PTSDGuts/status/1048607343447920640/photo/1)

Just click it.  I dunno how to embed shit.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: SHAMBA~1.SBB on May 03, 2019, 05:29:25 pm
RIP, Peter Mayhew.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Monkey’s Paw Wish on December 02, 2019, 12:48:17 am
So I kind of like The Mandalorian. A lot of that has to do with a very cute puppet.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Dr. Buttplug on December 09, 2019, 09:44:37 am
Dog sat for my friend and got to watch the episodes of The Mandalorian that exist right now. I have one burning question: Do you think the Jawas eat those hairy eggs to get high or is it just like a rare delicacy for them?
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on December 09, 2019, 11:36:15 am
Dog sat for my friend and got to watch the episodes of The Mandalorian that exist right now. I have one burning question: Do you think the Jawas eat those hairy eggs to get high or is it just like a rare delicacy for them?
Dr. Buttplug, December 09, 2019, 09:44:37 am
Haven't seen mando, but my knowledge of jawas is that they drive around the desert selling shit (and lookin like the dudes from phantasm). If there was something that got jawas high I imagine it would lead to a massive restructuring of jawa society because they would compete to sell it. Just blue milk for thought!
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Dr. Buttplug on December 09, 2019, 12:26:54 pm
Dog sat for my friend and got to watch the episodes of The Mandalorian that exist right now. I have one burning question: Do you think the Jawas eat those hairy eggs to get high or is it just like a rare delicacy for them?
Dr. Buttplug, December 09, 2019, 09:44:37 am
Haven't seen mando, but my knowledge of jawas is that they drive around the desert selling shit (and lookin like the dudes from phantasm). If there was something that got jawas high I imagine it would lead to a massive restructuring of jawa society because they would compete to sell it. Just blue milk for thought!
Agent Coop Time!, December 09, 2019, 11:36:15 am

Yeah they trade, but we're not really shown why they've chosen a nomadic lifestyle. It could be that they explore the desert. Maybe it's the best way to recover scrap and move from food source to food source, but maybe it's also a way to get crazy space cactus juice and disgusting animal glands for their psychoactive properties?

Anyway the sets and costumes are brilliant and make the show totally worth the price of admission (ideally paying for one month of Disney+ when all the episodes are available, or house-sitting for someone who has kids in my case.)
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Sauce on December 20, 2019, 02:59:07 pm
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker is a movie about Star Wars.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on December 20, 2019, 10:01:30 pm
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker is a movie about Star Wars.
Sauce, December 20, 2019, 02:59:07 pm
And how!!!
Title: star wars thread
Post by: duz on December 21, 2019, 08:15:02 pm
It feels like a Star Wars movie that was made in 2019.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Spenny on December 21, 2019, 11:21:39 pm
JJ Abrams retire bitch

doo doo ass movie
Title: star wars thread
Post by: I Liked That Joke on December 22, 2019, 02:40:30 pm
I liked a lot of individual scenes but I was really disappointed by how they just dropped the emotional throughlines, themes and plots to make Return of the Jedi again. Also jesus christ I'm sick of planet destruction, we get it. Learn a new bit.

Here's my very long pitch for a better version, nsfw'd for length and spoilers by omission:
NSFW content. Click to show.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Dr. Buttplug on December 23, 2019, 05:06:55 pm
Palpy is back baby, and this time, he fucks.

Title: star wars thread
Post by: moooo566 (taylor's version) on January 05, 2020, 12:25:32 pm
Enjoyed it, personally. It's very very 21st Century Star Wars. Dumb bullshit out of nowhere, about 10% too long, more dumb bullshit out of nowhere, but it's got LOTS of laser swords and rad space ships so I'll forgive all that other stuff.

I'm scared of................. myself is my favourite stupid trope.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on April 21, 2020, 11:36:42 pm
I would make an absolute fool of this man on the court. How do you say "posterized" in dathomirian
(https://i.imgur.com/ivWK6ZX.jpg)
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Frank West on April 22, 2020, 08:55:39 am
How do you say "posterized" in dathomirian

Hmm, I wonder if yah of course there is (https://lingojam.com/Sith)

It seems the most direct translation into Sith is "Deli Jis Is Lot: poster", but I think "Vyrassija Is Zo Atvaiz" is better.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on April 22, 2020, 12:01:02 pm
How do you say "posterized" in dathomirian

Hmm, I wonder if yah of course there is (https://lingojam.com/Sith)

It seems the most direct translation into Sith is "Deli Jis Is Lot: poster", but I think "Vyrassija Is Zo Atvaiz" is better.
Frank West, April 22, 2020, 08:55:39 am
Always 2 there are, a master And1
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Achilles' Heelies on April 22, 2020, 08:40:25 pm
How do you say "posterized" in dathomirian

Hmm, I wonder if yah of course there is (https://lingojam.com/Sith)

It seems the most direct translation into Sith is "Deli Jis Is Lot: poster", but I think "Vyrassija Is Zo Atvaiz" is better.
Frank West, April 22, 2020, 08:55:39 am
Always 2 there are, a master And1
Agent Coop Time!, April 22, 2020, 12:01:02 pm
Coop, this is your best post.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on October 31, 2020, 09:44:47 pm
https://twitter.com/aboynamedposh/status/1322656271057801216
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on April 16, 2021, 07:27:53 am
https://twitter.com/QuiGon_SW_bot/status/1383031100964958209
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Boots Raingear on May 28, 2022, 10:38:45 pm
What in the ever loving fuck
(https://i.imgur.com/bMkbTBG.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/oAVMZPC.png)
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Shell Game on May 29, 2022, 05:15:38 pm
George and Sheebla

and another woman
Title: star wars thread
Post by: chai tea latte on May 29, 2022, 06:15:59 pm
when I said "George R Binks" out loud I audibly groaned
Title: star wars thread
Post by: organburner on May 31, 2022, 05:10:21 am
(https://i.imgur.com/dGkPTkY.png)

Never forget.

I wish I could find the full panels now
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Shell Game on June 02, 2022, 05:00:49 pm
there's something seussian about this art
Title: star wars thread
Post by: organburner on June 03, 2022, 07:37:05 am
oh shit a guy in a discord gave me some illicit goods:

(https://i.imgur.com/HZtIBbJ.png)
Title: star wars thread
Post by: Dr. Buttplug on June 03, 2022, 07:58:42 am
there's something seussian about this art
Shell Game, June 02, 2022, 05:00:49 pm

It's Tony Millionaire.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: duz on June 26, 2022, 09:30:38 pm
It's from an anthology series where various artists got to do whatever non-canon thing they wanted.  It's the same series that has Indiana Jones hunt down the Sasquatch and it turns out it's Chewbacca protecting Han Solo's skeleton.

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/f2/Indyhan_2.jpg)
Title: star wars thread
Post by: organburner on July 05, 2022, 03:33:22 pm
It's from an anthology series where various artists got to do whatever non-canon thing they wanted.  It's the same series that has Indiana Jones hunt down the Sasquatch and it turns out it's Chewbacca protecting Han Solo's skeleton.

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/f2/Indyhan_2.jpg)
duz, June 26, 2022, 09:30:38 pm

Aww so Star Wars is lame again.
Title: star wars thread
Post by: adrenochrome dome on October 24, 2022, 11:01:14 am
At the risk of being premature, Andor might be favorite Star Wars Thing. It counters a lot of the things I didn't like about episodes VII-IX. There are no magic saviors, just people doing their best with no guarantee of success. I'd expected a pointless prequel cash grab. I mean, it's still expanding the IP to make money, but I think it's justified its existence.

(https://i.imgflip.com/6w8u6l.gif)