Do they finally write the Star Peace Treaty and end The Star Wars???
Murphy, December 18, 2015, 08:39:04 am
I liked it a lot.
Sure it wasn't without flaws, but I had a blast and I really liked the new characters.
Ambious, December 18, 2015, 03:30:01 am
I liked it a lot.
Sure it wasn't without flaws, but I had a blast and I really liked the new characters.
Ambious, December 18, 2015, 03:30:01 am
Same for me, basically! My only hope is more Captain Phasma for next time.
Nikaer Drekin, December 18, 2015, 12:39:46 pm
I hate star wars
goombapolice, December 18, 2015, 08:01:51 am
I hope when they do it's just like it was in the books:
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strifeheart, December 18, 2015, 11:13:20 am
Anyway, the movie was delightful. Hit almost all of the right notes. Plenty of actual sets and practical, in-camera effects. People actually emoted and displayed feelings through acting, unlike the prequels. Every action scene had stakes and plot advancement behind it, unlike the prequels. The pacing at the start seemed a bit too fast, but I understand that JJ had a lot of narrative ground to cover and it's infinitely preferable to endless scenes of people slowly walking down hallways and sitting on couches while talking.
Isfahan, December 18, 2015, 08:19:44 pm
EDIT: Apparently it's 30 years after Endor, which I failed to realize applied to my concerns, so maybe it'll just be another thing that'll be explained more in future films. Hooray!
strifeheart, December 20, 2015, 09:46:02 pm
I just realized I'm going to be stuck with my EU obsessed relative on Christmas Eve. Does anyone have any advice on how to survive this encounter?
KnitOneKillTwo, December 21, 2015, 12:48:44 pm
I just realized I'm going to be stuck with my EU obsessed relative on Christmas Eve. Does anyone have any advice on how to survive this encounter?Talk about Chewbacca being crushed by a moon
KnitOneKillTwo, December 21, 2015, 12:48:44 pm
I just realized I'm going to be stuck with my EU obsessed relative on Christmas Eve. Does anyone have any advice on how to survive this encounter?
KnitOneKillTwo, December 21, 2015, 12:48:44 pm
Just keep reminding him that the EU is dead and buried and sucked anyway and respond to everything he says with "but is it still official canon?"
Ambious, December 21, 2015, 12:50:28 pm
I just realized I'm going to be stuck with my EU obsessed relative on Christmas Eve. Does anyone have any advice on how to survive this encounter?Talk about Chewbacca being crushed by a moon
KnitOneKillTwo, December 21, 2015, 12:48:44 pm
AgentCoop, December 21, 2015, 01:07:10 pm
I just realized I'm going to be stuck with my EU obsessed relative on Christmas Eve. Does anyone have any advice on how to survive this encounter?Talk about Chewbacca being crushed by a moon
KnitOneKillTwo, December 21, 2015, 12:48:44 pm
AgentCoop, December 21, 2015, 01:07:10 pm
He already spent Thanksgiving talking about how Chewie death in that book was the most heroic death he had ever heard of, period.
This guy also doesn't let his five year old kid play with his Star Wars Legos. And yes, he has seen the Lego movie. The moral was lost on him.
KnitOneKillTwo, December 22, 2015, 09:02:56 am
I love how every time there's a thread about anything, at least a few folks run in to just say "I'M SKINNY GOODBYE!" and nothing more as if that's part of having a discussion.
Anyway, saw it with Toast. Movie was a fun, cornball blast with interesting characters, which is exactly all Star Wars ever needed to be. I'm not even into Star Wars but I had a hell of a lot of fun with it. BB-8 is fucking adorable. CG still didn't look right but was kept to a minimum. The end!
portaxx, December 23, 2015, 05:39:55 pm
(Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull really made me worry.) Dawnswalker, December 23, 2015, 08:17:54 pm
I liked it a lot.
Sure it wasn't without flaws, but I had a blast and I really liked the new characters.
Ambious, December 18, 2015, 03:30:01 am
Same for me, basically! My only hope is more Captain Phasma for next time.
Nikaer Drekin, December 18, 2015, 12:39:46 pm
Problem is, we don't know for sure she evacuated starkiller base in time. We know Kylo Ren and the blond aryan guy were ordered to evacuate, but fittingly enough - we don't actually see it happen.
Ambious, December 18, 2015, 01:52:14 pm
Also seems like Harrison Ford will be back, oddly enough.
Nikaer Drekin, December 24, 2015, 02:38:06 pm
Also seems like Harrison Ford will be back, oddly enough.
Nikaer Drekin, December 24, 2015, 02:38:06 pm
Well, I guess it'll be as a Force ghost.
Isfahan, December 25, 2015, 08:56:16 am
I love how every time there's a thread about anything, at least a few folks run in to just say "I'M SKINNY GOODBYE!" and nothing more as if that's part of having a discussion.
portaxx, December 23, 2015, 05:39:55 pm
I'M SKINNY, GOODBYEI don't like Star Wars.
Speaking as an outsider though, I recall hearing an interesting theory about why the movie's plot is the way it is. By revisiting the plots from Episodes 4-6, the directors are hoping to prove to audiences that they are capable of making and old-style Star Wars movie. Yet, by revisiting all those plots in one film, they're making it clear that the movies have no choice but to move forward in the next set of films.
Ashto, January 06, 2016, 05:39:54 pm
It's close; Sheev is the viewpoint character in all three prequels. That's to say the reason the prequels have this hyperreal aesthetic in the props, set design, etc., is because you're watching those events through Sheev-o-vision. He is watching events and saying 'look at these fucking puppets, with their plastic cars. What a bunch of maroons. This is going to be easy.'.
The reason fans reject the prequels is that they denial of Sheev's basic observation that Star Wars is fake, crass, silly.... It's a multibillion franchise with logos on fruit. Lightsabers are stupid. But Sheev revels in that stuff: "fuck it - I've got a lightsaber too!"
The correct response to Sheer's challenge would be to agree. And that's precisely what Luke does: he attempts suicide in order to reject Star Wars and everything it stands for. He's like "fuck this universe. If the entire stupid universe is set up to reward only violence and power, then I quit." He throws his lightsaber away.
But Vader steps up and does something far more radical: he dies for Star Wars' sins. And, as a consequence, he redeems Star Wars.
But that's only if you truly believe.
First things first: the narrative structure of the Star Wars film series is ever-shifting. As each film is introduced, the meaning changes.
Three extremely different films were grouped together and are now understood as 'The OT', the story of how Luke Skywalker killed the evil robot Darth Vader and saved his father - Anakin. This killing of the robot ultimately represented the triumph of liberal democracy over the various failed utopian projects of the past. In general, the OT can be summarized as naïvely optimistic.
Subsequently, three films were introduced that called out the OT for its naïveté. The human Anakin, it reveals, was a fascist stooge. The bad robot monster that everyone had rejected was none other than Christ Himself. We were fooled: liberal democracy was the enemy. It was all a sham. We killed Him for plastic toys, and His blood is on our hands. With the addition of these three films, the context of the originals had changed. The entire six-film series became the tale of Darth Vader's crucifixion. It can be summarized as brutally honest.
And now we have a seventh film.
The Force Awakens is a story of willful ignorance and self-deceit.
Who are the Republic? Who are the Resistance? Who are the First Order? People are confused because they are not reading the imagery.
The basic story is simple: it is the story of a USB key that travels across the galaxy and gradually morphs into a laser sword. Max Van Sydow is the personification of this object; it respresents his legacy. And he explains exactly what he stands for: "only the Jedi can bring balance to the force." He supports Leia's Resistance because 'she's royalty to him.' The Resistance heroes are all working to bring back feudalism, and the New Order is working to prevent that.
If you've read the previous thread and seen the previous films, you know that nobody ever mentions a 'light side', because there isnt one. The entire Force - the entire universe - is darkness, and to believe otherwise is to have your vision clouded. The light side exists only as the holy spirit - the community of believers in Christ/Vader. Vader was the incarnation of the Force and, when he died, the Force died with him.
Force Awakens, on the other hand, is constantly talking about the light side, and visualizing it as literal light: the ships all have massive headlights attached, the recurring image is of a dark ball of tentacles being obliterated by a burst of light (e.g. When that thing is attached to the windshield). The light cleanses, and the light purifies. this is what Van Sydow means by 'balance'.
But this literal light is not the Holy Spirit. It's the dark side, rebranded. It's sheer, burning power. Audiences cheer when Rey displays her insane power. Her mutant powers, aka 'force sensitivity', aka midichlorians - make her stronger than anyone else. Her mind-tricks are not subtle manipulations, but a direct reprogramming of the enemy's mind. She wins by being darker than Kylo.
So: why would a family abandon their child in a junkyard?
The simplest answer is that they're terrified of her.
Basically, JJ Abrams has tricked you into worshiping the dark side. Maz runs a temple devoted to herself, and nobody is suspicious? Whoops!
It's close; Sheev is the viewpoint character in all three prequels. That's to say the reason the prequels have this hyperreal aesthetic in the props, set design, etc., is because you're watching those events through Sheev-o-vision. He is watching events and saying 'look at these fucking puppets, with their plastic cars. What a bunch of maroons. This is going to be easy.'.
The reason fans reject the prequels is that they denial of Sheev's basic observation that Star Wars is fake, crass, silly.... It's a multibillion franchise with logos on fruit. Lightsabers are stupid. But Sheev revels in that stuff: "fuck it - I've got a lightsaber too!"
The correct response to Sheer's challenge would be to agree. And that's precisely what Luke does: he attempts suicide in order to reject Star Wars and everything it stands for. He's like "fuck this universe. If the entire stupid universe is set up to reward only violence and power, then I quit." He throws his lightsaber away.
But Vader steps up and does something far more radical: he dies for Star Wars' sins. And, as a consequence, he redeems Star Wars.
But that's only if you truly believe.First things first: the narrative structure of the Star Wars film series is ever-shifting. As each film is introduced, the meaning changes.Murphy, January 16, 2016, 07:17:38 am
Three extremely different films were grouped together and are now understood as 'The OT', the story of how Luke Skywalker killed the evil robot Darth Vader and saved his father - Anakin. This killing of the robot ultimately represented the triumph of liberal democracy over the various failed utopian projects of the past. In general, the OT can be summarized as naïvely optimistic.
Subsequently, three films were introduced that called out the OT for its naïveté. The human Anakin, it reveals, was a fascist stooge. The bad robot monster that everyone had rejected was none other than Christ Himself. We were fooled: liberal democracy was the enemy. It was all a sham. We killed Him for plastic toys, and His blood is on our hands. With the addition of these three films, the context of the originals had changed. The entire six-film series became the tale of Darth Vader's crucifixion. It can be summarized as brutally honest.
And now we have a seventh film.
The Force Awakens is a story of willful ignorance and self-deceit.
Who are the Republic? Who are the Resistance? Who are the First Order? People are confused because they are not reading the imagery.
The basic story is simple: it is the story of a USB key that travels across the galaxy and gradually morphs into a laser sword. Max Van Sydow is the personification of this object; it respresents his legacy. And he explains exactly what he stands for: "only the Jedi can bring balance to the force." He supports Leia's Resistance because 'she's royalty to him.' The Resistance heroes are all working to bring back feudalism, and the New Order is working to prevent that.
If you've read the previous thread and seen the previous films, you know that nobody ever mentions a 'light side', because there isnt one. The entire Force - the entire universe - is darkness, and to believe otherwise is to have your vision clouded. The light side exists only as the holy spirit - the community of believers in Christ/Vader. Vader was the incarnation of the Force and, when he died, the Force died with him.
Force Awakens, on the other hand, is constantly talking about the light side, and visualizing it as literal light: the ships all have massive headlights attached, the recurring image is of a dark ball of tentacles being obliterated by a burst of light (e.g. When that thing is attached to the windshield). The light cleanses, and the light purifies. this is what Van Sydow means by 'balance'.
But this literal light is not the Holy Spirit. It's the dark side, rebranded. It's sheer, burning power. Audiences cheer when Rey displays her insane power. Her mutant powers, aka 'force sensitivity', aka midichlorians - make her stronger than anyone else. Her mind-tricks are not subtle manipulations, but a direct reprogramming of the enemy's mind. She wins by being darker than Kylo.
So: why would a family abandon their child in a junkyard?
The simplest answer is that they're terrified of her.
Basically, JJ Abrams has tricked you into worshiping the dark side. Maz runs a temple devoted to herself, and nobody is suspicious? Whoops!
Where's that stuff from?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 09:05:30 am
Where's that stuff from?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 09:05:30 am
This guy, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790&userid=118075 , in this unending hell of a thread, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790 .
Murphy, January 16, 2016, 09:15:23 am
Where's that stuff from?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 09:05:30 am
This guy, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790&userid=118075 , in this unending hell of a thread, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790 .
Murphy, January 16, 2016, 09:15:23 am
Okay, good. I was worried that it was someone who was getting paid to write that shit, as opposed to some idiot trying to sound smart on the Internet. Seriously, who the fuck actually calls Palpatine by his first name (outside of the books, where they're probably required to use it)?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 10:20:00 am
Where's that stuff from?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 09:05:30 am
This guy, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790&userid=118075 , in this unending hell of a thread, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755790 .
Murphy, January 16, 2016, 09:15:23 am
Okay, good. I was worried that it was someone who was getting paid to write that shit, as opposed to some idiot trying to sound smart on the Internet. Seriously, who the fuck actually calls Palpatine by his first name (outside of the books, where they're probably required to use it)?
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 16, 2016, 10:20:00 am
I'M SKINNY, GOODBYEI don't like Star Wars.
Speaking as an outsider though, I recall hearing an interesting theory about why the movie's plot is the way it is. By revisiting the plots from Episodes 4-6, the directors are hoping to prove to audiences that they are capable of making and old-style Star Wars movie. Yet, by revisiting all those plots in one film, they're making it clear that the movies have no choice but to move forward in the next set of films.
Ashto, January 06, 2016, 05:39:54 pm
Setting aside the fact that you don't like Star Wars (HEATHEN), I agree but I'm going to challenge you on this: "the movies have no choice but to move forward in the next set of films." What are you even talking about here?
I liked it. More screen time for the mosquito aliens in the pub, less Maz Kanata.
More X-wings thank you bye
Fanzay, January 14, 2016, 02:50:17 pm
Also, if you really want to piss off a fan of the Expanded Universe, I think I found a new method: ask them about what they think of the 80's Ewoks cartoon series, and whether their existence in the Star Wars universe implies that magic is a thing, or if Ewoks are just really good at using the force. I got a mild reaction out of the people around me, so I can only imagine what it'd do to someone like Knitting Machine's relative.
Ashto, January 22, 2016, 11:17:45 pm
I consider myself a nearly-obsessive Star Wars fan who's seen the Holiday Special more than once, and I've actually never seen a second of the Ewoks cartoon. Is Ewok Magic actually a thing they tried to do?Nikaer Drekin, January 23, 2016, 11:42:59 amOne of the characters was training to practice magic, so I'd have to say yes.
Also, if you really want to piss off a fan of the Expanded Universe, I think I found a new method: ask them about what they think of the 80's Ewoks cartoon series, and whether their existence in the Star Wars universe implies that magic is a thing, or if Ewoks are just really good at using the force. I got a mild reaction out of the people around me, so I can only imagine what it'd do to someone like Knitting Machine's relative.
Ashto, January 22, 2016, 11:17:45 pm
I consider myself a nearly-obsessive Star Wars fan who's seen the Holiday Special more than once, and I've actually never seen a second of the Ewoks cartoon. Is Ewok Magic actually a thing they tried to do?
Speaking of the Holiday Special, has anyone had any interesting experiences with that? I was having a Rifftrax get-together with a few friends, and we picked that out to watch. A little bit into it, a friend asked how long it was, and I said, "About 2 hours."
They thought I was joking. Turns out Harvey Korman in drag hosting an alien cooking show and VR Wookiee porn aren't that compelling to some people!
Nikaer Drekin, January 23, 2016, 11:42:59 am
Speaking of the Holiday Special, has anyone had any interesting experiences with that? I was having a Rifftrax get-together with a few friends, and we picked that out to watch. A little bit into it, a friend asked how long it was, and I said, "About 2 hours."
They thought I was joking. Turns out Harvey Korman in drag hosting an alien cooking show and VR Wookiee porn aren't that compelling to some people!
Nikaer Drekin, January 23, 2016, 11:42:59 am
Have you ever seen Ewoks: The Battle for Endor? It's a live-action TV movie that's supposed to take place before Return of the Jedi. Apparently, it's hilariously terrible, even if you know nothing about the backstory.
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 24, 2016, 12:31:47 pm
At least Rifftrax did the version with the commercials, which are far and away the best things about the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Harken back to a time when unions were an institution that proudly and openly existed in America, an institution that brought ad space on television during prime-time and had their own choirs and theme songs. It makes you feel just like an archaelogist!
Dawnswalker, January 24, 2016, 01:18:22 pm
Have you ever seen Ewoks: The Battle for Endor? It's a live-action TV movie that's supposed to take place before Return of the Jedi. Apparently, it's hilariously terrible, even if you know nothing about the backstory.
Yavuz Sultan Selim, January 24, 2016, 12:31:47 pm
Have not seen the live-action Ewoks movies either! (I think there's two?) All I know is that one of them has Wilford Brimley, and so I might have to watch it one of these days.
Nikaer Drekin, January 24, 2016, 04:28:19 pm
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Most_comfortable_chair_ever_designed
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jizz
Murphy, February 04, 2016, 04:20:33 pm
I still don't understand the ridiculous affection people have for these movies. It was very, very decent. Just like the original.
Victor Laszlo, April 06, 2016, 07:27:26 pm
Rey was even more of a Force savant than Luke, Anakin or Obi-wan, though, so I think in the end everything's gonna be okay.
Victor Laszlo, April 06, 2016, 07:27:26 pm
I showed my 5 year old The Force Awakens today because soccer practice got rained out. I was struck by how the first half or so was almost a shot-by-shot remake of the first one, except with more pithy dialogue and "I'm gettin' too old for this shit" jokes, and a girl in the lead role...
Victor Laszlo, April 06, 2016, 07:27:26 pm
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Most_comfortable_chair_ever_designed
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jizz
Murphy, February 04, 2016, 04:20:33 pm
Watching 'Return of the Jedi' with my kids. When a couple of 5 year olds who enjoyed the emoji movie are calling out problems your movie might be problematic.
Victor Laszlo, January 12, 2017, 04:26:31 pm
Thank you, Mique.I wasn't planning on picking it up, might play Kotor 2 again
Now.... I want more real fan responses. How pissed are you at the new Battlefront game?
Bunnybread, November 15, 2017, 12:49:13 pm
Maybe I'm just being miserable and ungrateful, but part of me really hopes the next few Star Wars movies are so mediocre that it starts to kill off the franchise for good. I'd really like to see some new big things instead of just an everlasting deluge of nostalgia.
Mique, November 03, 2017, 05:40:50 pm
I am a huge Star Wars fan and was excited to see TLJ. However, I have to agree with many of the other audience reviews and say I was immensely disappointed when I left the theater. The humor was forced and often silly. SJW themes throughout. Characters from TFA were not developed any further in this movie. I could go on and on...The worst though was how Lukes character was portrayed. Hamill made the most with what he was given, but the Luke in this movie is entirely inconsistent with original trilogy. WTF is all I can say after seeing this.
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I won't lie. The movie, as a film, was entertaining. Over time, however, I started to hate the movie more and more as I thought about how it fit into the SW universe. It doesn't. It doesn't fit at all. It should have been a new SciFi movie rather than Star Wars. Star Wars has an existing canon and universe which, even after Disney wiped the canonical slate, has its own rules, history, and expectations. Yet, even the movie is self-aware that it is trying to erase the established saga that has existed over generations. They literally say, "Let the past die." We came to this movie because of the past, because of its history. Why did they not just start from scratch and build a new franchise, rather than murder an existing one? Many people, myself included, have lost out hope for the future of the franchise, and have even chosen not to go see the next one because the canon is now beyond redemption.
This is made all the more potent when you consider the American politics that sneak their way into this film. Disney, we do not like it when movies are used as vehicles for political promotion. Star Wars has always been about good vs evil. Why do you so readily want to blur that line? You have dated this movie, and have removed any chance of it becoming a classic by your luck for propaganda. I have all the movies on DVD, but I will not buy this one. You have destroyed my love for Star Wars and murdered my hero, Luke Skywalker, replacing him with a bitter, depressed, spiteful old man. And SPOILERS, just when Luke starts to act like Luke again, you kill him again!
The only hope you have in redeeming yourself is remaking Episode VIII with a better plot before you proceed to Ep IX, but you won't because you don't care about the fans of the franchise, as long as you got your money. For shame.
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The death of star wars fan
Sorry to star with this words, but Disney thought that this was a pixar movie... I just saw the movie... it couldn't be worse, how can this company specialized in story telling get so many things so wrong:
1) Luke throwing the laser was the first blow... this is not luke, this is not what luke is all about. He represents a generation, that simply is not what was shown.
2) Eliminating the mask... the dark side.. the mask in everyone of us all... simply ridiculous. Lack of obscureness and respect for the dark side.
3) So many dumb jokes, at the worst moments, in the theater only two person laugh.
4) Rey's training, missed it. This decision was made by someone that doesn't develop a character, that doesn't matures it.... very bad film director
5) Lukes death...Not the moment... not the occasion, bad timming.Every one has a reason for its existence, if lukes character was reserved for this... please... you should have killed him in the 3rd movie.
6)Yoda, you could have done better
This was a lack of respect for the fans, for the story, to many characters... but so little in depth. George Lukes must be having nightmares... or be happy that the Phantom menace isn't the worst episode.
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Aside from the visuals this was one of the worst moves I have ever seen, along with the force awakens. There is not a single logical plot point in relation to the physics of the star wars universe, and the acting, editing, directing, and writing are atrocious. Mark hamill gives a good performance but it is impossible to tolerate Disney annihilaing every philosophical aspect of Star Wars, which are the only redeeming aspect of any the original films in the first place. This is a cash grab and a set up for the use of the Star Wars brand to be weaponized for billions and to stage a propaganda campaign for the brainwashing of children, which is Disney's obvious agenda since it's military branch did cartoons for the us military during the nuclear and anti Brown people propaganda campaigns after ww2. Watch Disney channel commercials with sociological intiution. You could write your doctorate in psychology deconstructing the subliminal garbage in this film, but most importantly there is a conspiracy and collective group think involved in the good reviews and acclaim this movie is recieving. Compare to the greatest films of all time. Even the revenant or lotr, this movie is just ontologically bad filmmaking. Think for yourself, remember the wisdom of master Yoda and obi-wan and stay true to your jedi or sith teachings. Fight this empire of Disney. They sell conservatives espn national anthems and big foot shows on the history channel and push sjw politics in Star Wars . They take both sides for your money it's a con. Anyone who likes this movie for its feminist values is a fool, like Disney cares about fighting the phallocracy, they are the vehicle of sexism, they sexualize little girls and turn them hem into pop gods. Have we lost our minds or what, the last jedi sucked and was really stupid. Anyway I'll let the movie speak for itself and your education limit your ability to see through it.
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See, I won't say I liked the Finn/Rose plan parts, because the casino bit was pretty dumb and it sounds like the casino was actually really far away and if "codebreaking" is just putting a metal conductor onto the computer panel then why couldn't BB-8 just do it? It was an incredibly drawn out and forced way to introduce a character. But, I did like that the hotshots mutinied and came up with a seat-of-your-pants plan to save the day, and not only did it not work but through the codebreaker's betrayal led to the situation getting a whole lot worse since that's how the First Order found the cloaked ships and killed 90% of the remaining resistance. You can't solve all of your problems with moxie and a beeping robot is a lesson that took 8 movies to get to.
If Holdo planned to be on a suicide mission the whole time, which was clear from her goodbye scene with Leia, then why wait so long to lightspeed through the First Order ship? You could have done that at any point, and certainly before 90% of the transports were destroyed. That should have been your plan all along. Although the First Order seemed to bounce right back based on the amount of firepower they landed on the Hoth lookalike so what was even the point?
The Jedi mind trick usually only works on weak minds. Why did Kylo Ren fall for it so hard? Is he a weak mind? He's a whiny little manbaby but he's not been that specific sort of weak mind up to this point.
People being able to survive in space is sort of implied in Star Wars since all of the big spaceships have an open hangar for the fighters and people walk around as if there is gravity and air to breathe, so that's all well and good, but Leia was blown out into the -455 degree, airless void of space and while unconscious uses the Force (has Leia ever used the Force before? We learned in ROTJ that she is strong with it, but this feels like a heavy lift for her first documented use) to return to the ship?
I stand by my checklist opinion. This movie has all of the elements of a Star Wars movie. If you really like Star Wars, you will like it. As a film in general, it's not great.
Victor Laszlo, December 28, 2017, 09:17:48 am
I have a question for everyone here who has watched the newer Star Wars films: what do you think of Kylo Ren?hes cool
Kaleidoscope, February 24, 2018, 12:17:53 am
Haven't seen Force Awakens, but I have seen Last Jedi. I really liked the idea of someone who was so fed up with both sides of the Force that he wanted to give up on the Jedi and the Sith entirely.
Of course, that's too interesting an idea for Star Wars, so they had to walk that back by the end of Last Jedi so that Star Wars can keep being Star Wars.
RADICAL SANDWICH ANARCHY, February 24, 2018, 02:39:21 am
Haven't seen Force Awakens, but I have seen Last Jedi. I really liked the idea of someone who was so fed up with both sides of the Force that he wanted to give up on the Jedi and the Sith entirely.
Of course, that's too interesting an idea for Star Wars, so they had to walk that back by the end of Last Jedi so that Star Wars can keep being Star Wars.
RADICAL SANDWICH ANARCHY, February 24, 2018, 02:39:21 am
My problem is that Kylo comes off as an immature brat instead of someone you’re supposed to fear. I understand he’s grappling with his inner demons and the like but he really comes off as a child who wants a toy instead of someone who instills fear.
Kaleidoscope, February 26, 2018, 02:27:09 pm
like if your shitty two year old suddenly whipped out a gun.
Jackal Flapnasty, February 27, 2018, 12:45:17 am
I think the problem for me is that LF keeps on trying to make Kylo Ren the next Darth Vader
Kaleidoscope, March 14, 2018, 09:50:58 pm
Off the top of my head, the only time someone actively does something with the force is the Jedi mind trick.
RADICAL SANDWICH ANARCHY, March 14, 2018, 10:18:23 pm
I think the problem for me is that LF keeps on trying to make Kylo Ren the next Darth Vader
Kaleidoscope, March 14, 2018, 09:50:58 pm
They're really not, though; Kylo Ren is trying to make Kylo Ren the next Darth Vader. That's the point. The roles they play in the actual stories are vastly different. Vader's strength and slavish devotion to the dark side is what made him frightening, but the scariest thing about Kylo Ren is his unpredictability- it's almost impossible to know what he's going to do next. He's a supremely warped, confused, pathetic character, viciously angry but without any real sense of purpose or self control, desperate to achieve the level of power and certainty (he thinks) his grandfather had. And now this emotionally-stunted manchild is in charge of a fascist dictatorship. Trying to humanize a character and make him psychologically interesting doesn't mean Rian Johnson had a "hard-on" for him.
Nikaer Drekin, March 18, 2018, 10:16:26 pm
And, while it might not be the most tragic backstory possible, I'd imagine believing that your uncle, the living embodiment of goodness and redemption in the galaxy, tried to murder you in your sleep would fuck up a person pretty badly.
Nikaer Drekin, March 19, 2018, 11:59:21 am
i don't think Kylo should be excused for anything he did, but he's definitely been through some shit and i don't blame Rey at all for wanting to try and get him on the right path. personally i didn't view it as a gender thing as much as a "look, i've got trauma too, the world sucks, let me help you."
Bombshops, March 19, 2018, 12:29:09 pm
Another issue is that we have Poe and Finn. They’re both interesting characters yet we still don’t know much about them. TLJ could have been the movie to help flesh their characters out but again, we have to focus on the white main pain of our villain. To make matters worse, Poe’s character gets ruined and Finn gets no growth along with a pointless side story that adds nothing to the plot. Rian could have given Poe and Finn some growth while trying to flesh out Kylo but he failed fantastically at that.
Kaleidoscope, March 19, 2018, 12:26:47 pm
Part of diversity is actively putting your characters of color in impactful roles and allowing them to live as most white leads do.
Poe Dameron is also changed from the responsible and caring person he was in The Force Awakens to a reckless, disobedient, and glory-obsessed pilot. It’s very upsetting to turn one of the Latinx characters of Star Wars into a Latinx stereotype.
Poe is forced to deal with his new leader, Admiral Holdo, who he has a right to question, as she denies any of the Resistance information about her plan.
Once again, the narrative slams down on Poe, as he later gets punished by getting shot unconscious by General Organa, followed by Leia and Holdo saying how they “like” him despite how they’ve treated him.
Leia’s “follow him” line on Crait is too little, too late, as The Last Jedi gave Poe, Finn, Rose, and Paige the backseat in terms of story treatment.
Rose is left in a state of limbo at the film’s conclusion, and it’s implied that there might be a competition between her and Rey for Finn’s attention, because how feminist is it to have two women fighting over a man, right?
Rey herself has no major role in the final battle other than rescuing the Resistance.
Rian Johnson himself stated in his interview with the LA Times, “So I knew I wanted them to talk, and to talk enough to where we could go from “I hate you,” to her being forced to actually engage with him.“ In our current times, it’s disturbing how our female lead is expected to excuse a threatening and violent white man just because of his tragic backstory.
After Rey’s parentage reveal, Kylo tells her, “You have no place in this story.”
Even when Finn tries to do the right thing, the narrative slaps—or, unfortunately, tases—him for it. When he tries to get Rey’s beacon away from the First Order so she won’t be falling into a trap, Rose Tico calls him a traitor, tases him, and spends an entire storyline teaching him not to be selfish—because clearly choosing to spare innocents’ lives and going back for Rey were not selfless enough? Finn is forced to go on a downgraded version of his Force Awakens arc. The meaningless Canto Bight plot is regarded by even fans of the film as the weakest link, and it’s upsetting because Finn and Rose deserve better.
Oh, boy. I'm just so tired of all these star wars.
Sham bam bamina!, March 22, 2018, 07:19:33 pm
Poe Dameron is also changed from the responsible and caring person he was in The Force Awakens to a reckless, disobedient, and glory-obsessed pilot. It’s very upsetting to turn one of the Latinx characters of Star Wars into a Latinx stereotype.
Poe had like three minutes of screen time in The Force Awakens, so we very well might just not gotten a full picture of him as a character. Also, I'm not sure when he's "glory-obsessed," even at his most reckless Poe is definitely in it for the sake of the Resistance, even if his perspective is misguided. And you'd have to think extremely broadly to consider those traits Latinx stereotypes, at least the way they're utilized in the movie.
Nikaer Drekin, March 22, 2018, 05:05:15 pm
We know why Kelly was singled out. Because she's a woman and they don't belong in Star Wars according to a large portion of the fanbase.Kaleidoscope, June 15, 2018, 01:12:02 am"The fanbase" isn't some enclosed space; it's a category that overlaps with countless others in everyone that it includes. The operative categories here are harassers, misogynists, and fanatics (irrespective of object). None of this has to do specifically with women "in Star Wars" or with "the Star Wars fandom" just because Star Wars happens to be the avenue for this particular expression of those much-wider-ranging personal qualities.
A group of MRAs tried to get The Force Awakens to fail
Kaleidoscope, June 16, 2018, 08:42:25 am
Except it kinda does?Kaleidoscope, June 16, 2018, 08:42:25 amYou're missing my point. This kind of thing is hardly localized to Star Wars, and I'd be willing to bet a lot of money (not that enough certainty for anyone to collect would be possible) that the new films have drawn out a lot of hateful people who otherwise wouldn't even care about Star Wars, purely because it's a massively visible target for their attitudes. You even hint at this yourself when you attribute anger at The Force Awakens to "a group of MRAs". If anything, I would expect the grievance of existing fans to be the new films' erasure of the old canon (which had plenty of female leads and writers).
Fandoms are extremely unwelcoming to womenKaleidoscope, June 16, 2018, 08:42:25 amI also have a hard time believing this premise.
One thing I've been thinking about recently is that, in terms of movies, the prequel era was not exactly a high point for Star Wars. I've got a lot of affection for the prequels and I appreciate a lot of storytelling stuff they tried to do, but... as films, they're not great. But that same stretch of time was quite possibly the golden age for Star Wars video games.
There were so many fantastic games that came out around that time: Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, the first two Battlefronts, Rogue Squadron, Republic Commando, the Jedi Knight games, even stuff like Episode One Racer. I never really got into Galaxies or Empire at War but I feel like they were really well-liked, too. It's unfortunate that Disney (and EA, I suppose) haven't really been able to match the bar for quality that LucasArts set in the late 90s and early 2000s.
Nikaer Drekin, July 01, 2018, 12:11:39 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/lahfLMn.png)
A Whirring, Bone-White Gleech, June 23, 2018, 06:26:09 am
Dog sat for my friend and got to watch the episodes of The Mandalorian that exist right now. I have one burning question: Do you think the Jawas eat those hairy eggs to get high or is it just like a rare delicacy for them?Haven't seen mando, but my knowledge of jawas is that they drive around the desert selling shit (and lookin like the dudes from phantasm). If there was something that got jawas high I imagine it would lead to a massive restructuring of jawa society because they would compete to sell it. Just blue milk for thought!
Dr. Buttplug, December 09, 2019, 09:44:37 am
Dog sat for my friend and got to watch the episodes of The Mandalorian that exist right now. I have one burning question: Do you think the Jawas eat those hairy eggs to get high or is it just like a rare delicacy for them?Haven't seen mando, but my knowledge of jawas is that they drive around the desert selling shit (and lookin like the dudes from phantasm). If there was something that got jawas high I imagine it would lead to a massive restructuring of jawa society because they would compete to sell it. Just blue milk for thought!
Dr. Buttplug, December 09, 2019, 09:44:37 am
Agent Coop Time!, December 09, 2019, 11:36:15 am
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker is a movie about Star Wars.And how!!!
Sauce, December 20, 2019, 02:59:07 pm
How do you say "posterized" in dathomirian
Always 2 there are, a master And1How do you say "posterized" in dathomirian
Hmm, I wonder if yah of course there is (https://lingojam.com/Sith)
It seems the most direct translation into Sith is "Deli Jis Is Lot: poster", but I think "Vyrassija Is Zo Atvaiz" is better.
Frank West, April 22, 2020, 08:55:39 am
Coop, this is your best post.Always 2 there are, a master And1How do you say "posterized" in dathomirian
Hmm, I wonder if yah of course there is (https://lingojam.com/Sith)
It seems the most direct translation into Sith is "Deli Jis Is Lot: poster", but I think "Vyrassija Is Zo Atvaiz" is better.
Frank West, April 22, 2020, 08:55:39 am
Agent Coop Time!, April 22, 2020, 12:01:02 pm
there's something seussian about this art
Shell Game, June 02, 2022, 05:00:49 pm
It's from an anthology series where various artists got to do whatever non-canon thing they wanted. It's the same series that has Indiana Jones hunt down the Sasquatch and it turns out it's Chewbacca protecting Han Solo's skeleton.
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/f2/Indyhan_2.jpg)
duz, June 26, 2022, 09:30:38 pm