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Title: A few questions about making a doc
Post by: Ambious on November 16, 2015, 04:32:29 pm
Title: A few questions about making a doc
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on November 16, 2015, 05:30:02 pm
    I've read the guides but not entirely sure about some of this stuff.

    • Do you guys prefer I edit posts to include just the funny/interesting parts, or do you want me to copy the whole thing and let you sort it out?
    • If the latter, how strongly against highlighting the good parts are you?
    • Should I arrange the content in order to be read or is the reading more dynamic?

    I guess I'm asking if the doc is more script or talking points?
Ambious, November 16, 2015, 04:32:29 pm

Threads should definitely be edited down to just the comedy, but posts should be left as-is UNLESS it's really long, in which case you should just send the funny bits. If it's a huge post that got edited down, a couple of sentences explaining the context would help. In that case, it's definitely better to highlight the good stuff so Lemon can easily say "skip down to where it says..." without much trouble. As for the order of content read, really it just depends on what's going on in the episode at the time. Personally I always put things in roughly the order I'd like for them to be read, starting with an introduction to the site (in the community's/sitemaster's own words) then building up to crazier and crazier shit until the ultimate in nuttiness at the end. Things didn't always get read in that exact order but it did make it a little easier to ensure that the episode ended on the best (... or worst, I guess...) note.
Title: A few questions about making a doc
Post by: Emperor Jack Chick on November 17, 2015, 01:01:03 pm
    I've read the guides but not entirely sure about some of this stuff.

    • Do you guys prefer I edit posts to include just the funny/interesting parts, or do you want me to copy the whole thing and let you sort it out?
    • If the latter, how strongly against highlighting the good parts are you?
    • Should I arrange the content in order to be read or is the reading more dynamic?

    I guess I'm asking if the doc is more script or talking points?
Ambious, November 16, 2015, 04:32:29 pm

Threads should definitely be edited down to just the comedy, but posts should be left as-is UNLESS it's really long, in which case you should just send the funny bits. If it's a huge post that got edited down, a couple of sentences explaining the context would help. In that case, it's definitely better to highlight the good stuff so Lemon can easily say "skip down to where it says..." without much trouble. As for the order of content read, really it just depends on what's going on in the episode at the time. Personally I always put things in roughly the order I'd like for them to be read, starting with an introduction to the site (in the community's/sitemaster's own words) then building up to crazier and crazier shit until the ultimate in nuttiness at the end. Things didn't always get read in that exact order but it did make it a little easier to ensure that the episode ended on the best (... or worst, I guess...) note.
portaxx, November 16, 2015, 05:30:02 pm

part of the joy is that each doc has a different organization so you never know what you're going to get. the person who collated the doc definitely has influence in how the episode ends up.

I prefer that you do NOT highlight the 'good parts' cause i personally prefer when i'm blindsided by something insane and have to power through it. :D
Title: A few questions about making a doc
Post by: Ambious on November 17, 2015, 01:29:03 pm
    I've read the guides but not entirely sure about some of this stuff.

    • Do you guys prefer I edit posts to include just the funny/interesting parts, or do you want me to copy the whole thing and let you sort it out?
    • If the latter, how strongly against highlighting the good parts are you?
    • Should I arrange the content in order to be read or is the reading more dynamic?

    I guess I'm asking if the doc is more script or talking points?
Ambious, November 16, 2015, 04:32:29 pm

Threads should definitely be edited down to just the comedy, but posts should be left as-is UNLESS it's really long, in which case you should just send the funny bits. If it's a huge post that got edited down, a couple of sentences explaining the context would help. In that case, it's definitely better to highlight the good stuff so Lemon can easily say "skip down to where it says..." without much trouble. As for the order of content read, really it just depends on what's going on in the episode at the time. Personally I always put things in roughly the order I'd like for them to be read, starting with an introduction to the site (in the community's/sitemaster's own words) then building up to crazier and crazier shit until the ultimate in nuttiness at the end. Things didn't always get read in that exact order but it did make it a little easier to ensure that the episode ended on the best (... or worst, I guess...) note.
portaxx, November 16, 2015, 05:30:02 pm

part of the joy is that each doc has a different organization so you never know what you're going to get. the person who collated the doc definitely has influence in how the episode ends up.

I prefer that you do NOT highlight the 'good parts' cause i personally prefer when i'm blindsided by something insane and have to power through it. :D
jack chick, November 17, 2015, 01:01:03 pm

Hmm, noted.
I've already cut out some of the dreary info-dump in one of the posts, I'll un-highlight everything once I've got things edited nicely.
Title: A few questions about making a doc
Post by: Lemon on November 17, 2015, 02:16:36 pm
Here's what I like in a doc:

Title: A few questions about making a doc
Post by: Ambious on November 17, 2015, 02:30:15 pm
Here's what I like in a doc:

  • Consistent text formatting. - headline with URL, then the body with something approaching a paragraph layout. A lot of times, these sites are laid out like shit, so if you just copy/paste direct from the site, Google Docs will throw a bunch of weird assed HTML formatting in there to copy the styling. Very occasionally this is helpful, but mainly it makes it hard to read. Ctrl+Shift+V will strip a lot of that formatting out.
  • Bonus point: ToC with anchor links. Not necessary, but helpful.
Lemon, November 17, 2015, 02:16:36 pm

As for the first one - it's good you brought it up because the site I was scraping uses a new paragraph for each new line, and while originally it was driving me insane and I was removing formatting quirks for readability, I thought you'd want to see it as close to the source atrocity as possible so I just copy/pasted without much reformatting. I'll fix.
As for the second one, I'm super monster cock about bookmarking documents, so everything is anchored, linked, ToC'd and easily navigatable.

Great tips guys, thanks!
Title: A few questions about making a doc
Post by: Ambious on November 19, 2015, 03:20:08 pm
Final question: Assuming I minimize line-spacing to single space and the font is all around 11pt-12pt, how many pages are 'just enough' and how much is 'too much'?
Title: A few questions about making a doc
Post by: Lemon on November 19, 2015, 05:15:49 pm
This is just an educated guess at the moment, but I think an hour long F Plus episode will work through about 13 pages of actual content. Options are nice, so I think a page count in the low 20s is probably ideal. Over 30 and we're doing a whole lot more skipping than we're reading, over 40 is where I start to have concerns about finding the good bits.
Title: A few questions about making a doc
Post by: Ambious on November 19, 2015, 05:36:34 pm
This is just an educated guess at the moment, but I think an hour long F Plus episode will work through about 13 pages of actual content. Options are nice, so I think a page count in the low 20s is probably ideal. Over 30 and you're doing a whole lot were skipping more than we're reading, over 40 is where I start to have concerns about finding the good bits.
Lemon, November 19, 2015, 05:15:49 pm

It seems I have some cutting to do, then.
Cheers!
Title: A few questions about making a doc
Post by: Zekka on November 23, 2015, 06:32:13 pm
This is just an educated guess at the moment, but I think an hour long F Plus episode will work through about 13 pages of actual content. Options are nice, so I think a page count in the low 20s is probably ideal. Over 30 and you're doing a whole lot were skipping more than we're reading, over 40 is where I start to have concerns about finding the good bits.
Lemon, November 19, 2015, 05:15:49 pm

It seems I have some cutting to do, then.
Cheers!
Ambious, November 19, 2015, 05:36:34 pm

To give you an idea, the last doc I submitted was in 12point Times New Roman with generous line spacing. (single, but with big headers and an intropage) -- the initial cut was ~44 pages and the final one was about 30, and Lemon seemed pretty OK with that.