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May 11 01:04pm
i know there are historical cultural reasons to it, but i'll never get over the fact that japanese has a ninja pronoun
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May 11 12:36pm
I like how this is TV Tropes for vibes.
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May 11 10:10am
There's a lot to be repulsed by, but I confess, the dark-horse gross-out winner for me is the phrase "shower condiments."
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May 11 09:02am
This is a really interesting conversation! It's making me realize that I'm whatever the next step down in interest level is from normcore (borecore?), but y'know.

God, I wish I was a safety goth.
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May 11 03:43am
Like, I gotta admit that goblincore is one of the ones I know fairly well. I don't really engage with the tumblr side of things/The Discourse and have no strong opinions about how it interacts with other aesthetics but like, I mean
Muffinator, May 10, 2021, 07:22:41 pm

Yeah, the part that really stuck out to me in the "Goblincore is anti-Semitic maybe?" quote was the part about people wanting to rename it "Gremlincore" as a less derogatory alternative because it feels like such a case of mistaking the map for the territory. Like, I can see a case being made to connect Goblins as portrayed in certain forms of media as being derived from anti-Semitic stereotypes, but if you're following that reasoning to its logical conclusion then the word "Goblin" isn't the aspect of Goblincore you should be taking issue with...

And besides, Gremlincore should be saved for an aesthetic that's all about sabotaging WWII-era aircraft.

Goblincore is basically a bunch of trans women who like D&D and collecting buttons in mason jars; being happy when you see snails in the garden; going out into the dark forest and sinking your feet down in the mud. There's something kinda liberatory about taking something traditionally monstrous and making it cute, you know? It seems to be almost entirely queer folks, and like, very trans. When the world tells you that you're a monster, it kinda feels like spitting it back in their face.
Muffinator, May 10, 2021, 07:22:41 pm

That actually reminds me a lot of these two articles by James Mendez Hodes discussing the history of Orcs in fantasy fiction and RPGs and its roots in Orientalism and colonialism, specifically the point where he discusses how playing Orc characters is actually something that appeals to a decent chunk of POC players as an act of reclamation against the stereotypes that spawned them.

Also: I think about the only thing in this episode I thought was potentially concerning in this episode was the way some of the subject matter integrated mental health issues as a building block. It's part of a larger concern I've developed about the way people in some of the newer generations commiserate about things like anxiety and depression and whether it crosses the line from supportive to enabling. I don't think it's an actively malicious thing or a fault of the wiki itself though, just a case that when you get people into a group that's united by a common mental health issues, they're not necessarily going to create an environment conducive to dealing with that issue (If any of that makes sense).
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May 11 01:48am
We need to bring back the "Rob Zombie Aesthetic."
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May 11 12:39am
It seems to be almost entirely queer folks, and like, very trans. When the world tells you that you're a monster, it kinda feels like spitting it back in their face.
Muffinator, May 10, 2021, 07:22:41 pm

Honestly this is like 95% of Aesthetic stuff IME

though... that may just be the areas I hang out in, which are full of weird people with various Gender Things going on.   I always have to remember that Selection Bias exists.
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May 11 12:22am
Like, I gotta admit that goblincore is one of the ones I know fairly well. I don't really engage with the tumblr side of things/The Discourse and have no strong opinions about how it interacts with other aesthetics but like, I mean

Goblincore is basically a bunch of trans women who like D&D and collecting buttons in mason jars; being happy when you see snails in the garden; going out into the dark forest and sinking your feet down in the mud. There's something kinda liberatory about taking something traditionally monstrous and making it cute, you know? It seems to be almost entirely queer folks, and like, very trans. When the world tells you that you're a monster, it kinda feels like spitting it back in their face.
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May 10 11:51pm
I'm not on the furry side of things and have successfully ignored any aesthetic rumbles, but there is the whole goblincore antisemitism debate, so there's that?
jim and the mammograms, May 10, 2021, 05:24:41 pm
There is a sort of coherent argument about the origins of goblin folklore c.f. antisemitism, so in that very tumblr way that means that 100% of the time if you include goblins in something you're an evil person because there's absolutely no way it could be anything but the worst version of itself.
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May 10 11:39pm
Having lived through the time when a bunch of kids were making up niche genders, I'm a lot more forgiving of kids making up niche aesthetic subcultures, even if their apparent differences are on the level of, "No, that one's 'eggshell,' this one's 'off white.'"
Puppy Time, May 09, 2021, 10:48:26 pm

Oh boy, the niche genders thing is still going on, and seems like it's maybe even having a revival in the past year or so.  I have a whole other doc about the lgbta wiki's xenogenders (there are currently 2,240 of them) and asexual sexual orientations (252, not counting the "fluid" labels).  Not sure if I should submit that one.  It's so silly and out-there that I can't even get offended by it, but others might find it extremely obnoxious.
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