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Topic: Episode 200a: Retrospective | Part 1  (Read 38681 times)

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Episode 200a: Retrospective | Part 1 #60
so i'm listening through this and i just remembered how much my mind was blown at F+ live 1 & 2 when people actually showed up to see it. 2 especially because we had fans who were there and were super excited, and that was just the WEIRDEST FUCKING THING.
jack chick, January 19, 2016, 06:35:50 pm

My mind was blown at the lack of corpse paint.

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Episode 200a: Retrospective | Part 1 #61
so i'm listening through this and i just remembered how much my mind was blown at F+ live 1 & 2 when people actually showed up to see it. 2 especially because we had fans who were there and were super excited, and that was just the WEIRDEST FUCKING THING.
jack chick, January 19, 2016, 06:35:50 pm
Yeah, at one point (at the first one? we were in Blue Nile I'm pretty sure) I was walking back to the table and somebody with the podcast called out to me and a couple of guys a few tables back started excitedly nudging each other and whisper-shouting "THAT'S VICTOR LASZLO!" and that is still just about the most surreal fucking thing that will ever happen to me.  Nobody in real life is ever that happy to see me!
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Episode 200a: Retrospective | Part 1 #62
so i'm listening through this and i just remembered how much my mind was blown at F+ live 1 & 2 when people actually showed up to see it. 2 especially because we had fans who were there and were super excited, and that was just the WEIRDEST FUCKING THING.
jack chick, January 19, 2016, 06:35:50 pm
Yeah, at one point (at the first one? we were in Blue Nile I'm pretty sure) I was walking back to the table and somebody with the podcast called out to me and a couple of guys a few tables back started excitedly nudging each other and whisper-shouting "THAT'S VICTOR LASZLO!" and that is still just about the most surreal fucking thing that will ever happen to me.  Nobody in real life is ever that happy to see me!
Victor Laszlo, January 19, 2016, 07:08:18 pm

Sounds like you should quit that doctoring lark and become a full time E-Celeb™ then.

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Episode 200a: Retrospective | Part 1 #63
so i'm listening through this and i just remembered how much my mind was blown at F+ live 1 & 2 when people actually showed up to see it. 2 especially because we had fans who were there and were super excited, and that was just the WEIRDEST FUCKING THING.
jack chick, January 19, 2016, 06:35:50 pm
Yeah, at one point (at the first one? we were in Blue Nile I'm pretty sure) I was walking back to the table and somebody with the podcast called out to me and a couple of guys a few tables back started excitedly nudging each other and whisper-shouting "THAT'S VICTOR LASZLO!" and that is still just about the most surreal fucking thing that will ever happen to me.  Nobody in real life is ever that happy to see me!
Victor Laszlo, January 19, 2016, 07:08:18 pm

Sounds like you should quit that doctoring lark and become a full time E-Celeb™ then.
Murphy, January 19, 2016, 07:41:05 pm

Ooooh ooh, how about professional Surgeon Simulator and/or Trauma Center livestreamer??

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that flash animation of the stillborn baby spirit dwaggyn belting out "Hello My Ragtime GAAAAL"
CormansInferno, January 19, 2016, 12:55:59 pm


I don't remember that one!  Do you know if it's still out there anywhere?
Old_Zircon, January 19, 2016, 01:03:24 pm

Yup (auto-playing sound, FYI)
It's one of the very few remaining bits of POE memorabilia that I somehow still have. Portaxx would be the person to go into the backstory of this one, if she's so inclined.

Bonus: it was an edit of an earlier, less defensible, animation made for one of the stillborn shrine websites.

I wish I still had Jockojones' comics. Those were fucking great.

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You could tell us now!
Dawnswalker, January 19, 2016, 06:32:09 pm

I started my freshman year of high school in the latter half of 1995. One of the kids who rode the bus with me was a big stocky guy who was always drawing in sketchpads. He never talked to anybody, and nobody ever talked to him. His size guaranteed him a seat by himself. After a few months, just before Christmas break, as I recall, I decided to break the ice and ask what he was drawing. At first, he did not know how to handle this request. He looked like a fish that had been caught but was past the flopping-around phase. After several moments he snapped out of it and showed me.

I looked through all the pages, and I got a feeling that something was Not Right. Nothing overtly horrific, just that eerie suspicion which forms in the back of your skull and puts you on guard. It's a feeling I've been well acquainted with since then, its precision honed to exceptional keenness from two decades of being exposed to weird things, knowingly or otherwise. The drawings were all of fox-people. The unerring and invariable subject of every drawing was one or two fox-people in various stiff poses, wearing generic medieval-looking clothing with oversized anime-style boots.

I was quiet as I looked through these fox-people. The Not-Right feeling was washing through my brain and tickling the tops of my shoulderblades. I was weirded out and I didn't even know why. At that time in my life I had a basic understanding of what a fixation was but couldn't explain it to myself mentally.

"It's from Shining Force," explained the kid. "It's a game."

I didn't know what Shining Force was at the time. Looking back, I'm astonished it wasn't Sonic, but we've discussed before how things like this seem to take the form of whatever an adolescent is doing at the time he or she experiences sexual awakening. Fourteen-year-old me was, even then, at once confused and intrigued by what I was looking at, and the narrative about the kid that was forming in my head. It wasn't fun, but it was fascinating.

We'd had dial-up internet at home for about five months when I met Shining Force Kid. Nowadays we turn to Google first for any inquiry, but back then it took me a few days to have the notion that, huh, I wonder what the Internet knows about this. The connection was so slow that I had to plan out the sites I would visit, none of this multiple-tabs and alt-tabbing nonsense. You would literally have to map out your Internet itinerary for a session given the limited time you had.

Shining Force was bumped to the top of the list. You can imagine what I learned from there.

Come to find out that there were actually only a couple of fox-person characters in the game, and for the most part the game had human and humanoid characters. But there were whole pages devoted to the fox character, or the rat character, or the whatever-else-wasn't-human characters. Shrines, they were called. My Not-Right sense was going haywire. What was the appeal? Why were people obsessing over a minor character in a Sega Genesis game?

One shrine site was a part of a webring (remember those?). The webring was called FurRing, and that was the hole down which I saw the white rabbit disappear.

It was like the ending to 2001. I didn't know people would—could—use the Internet for such things. It was all so weird and unsettling, even before I discovered that people were making porn with these subjects (which, unsurprisingly, didn't take long, given what we're talking about). I of course learned retroactively that people didn't like the fox-people of Shining Force because the characters were good or interesting, they just liked the fact that it was a fox-person. Were these all awkward kids like the guy on the bus? No, I quickly learned, they weren't. They were, in fact, mostly guys much older than either me or him. I don't know what became of that kid, because after seeing his sketchbook I joined the rest of the bus in staying away from him, but I can only assume he did as I had and discovered His People on the Internet. Furry is very, very inclusive, after all. They turn nobody away, ever. For any reason. They are not people who will ignore you on the bus. They will love your Shining Force drawings because it's fox-people. Hey, I like Shining Force too, why don't you draw those fox-people naked? You know, as a joke? Hahaha. Then post it here, please. People will like it! You like being liked, don't you? It's okay to like looking at naked fox-people, you know. Anyone who says that's weird is just being mean to you. We don't judge, so stick with us.

Anyway, furries—by way of the Shining Force Kid—were the start for me. They took my e-innocence. Over the years I would watch them grow coy and guileful even as they grew bolder and more vocal. The inevitable PR disasters surprised me not a whit, and as they gained more unwanted exposure* I watched duplicity emerge. A few bad apples don't spoil the bunch, after all! No, they don't, but with furry fans it was more like one or two good apples don't stand a chance of staying fresh in a bushel of rotten ones. I never bought that it was all innocent, because I was there, at the ground floor, while they built upwards. And what they built was a horrible tower, an obsidian monument for all other groups of weirdos to aspire to. My experiences shaped my perspective, and I've since learned that furry predates the Internet by many many years, but for me it is Internet Subculture Zero. The Greek letter Alpha. The First Commandment of Being a True Pervert: Thou Shalt Be Furry. I don't believe all furries are perverts, but genuinely liking only the aesthetic of anthropomorphic characters has got to be like playing the triangle in a full symphony. It is both a subculture, a lifestyle, a fetish on its own, and an "adjective-fetish" which can be used to modify other fetishes. Into watersports? How about FURRY WATERSPORTS just turn all the dudes into lemurs or alpacas or whatever and boom in three months you'll be a Guest of Honor at Confurence! Fame and acceptance! You like the idea of that, right? Of course you do. You've never had fame or acceptance before, but we can give it to you. Just keep giving us those lemurs and alpacas, mmm, yeah, just like that.

As the years passed I eventually discovered Portal of Evil through Old Man Murray, which itself had been discovered through Seanbaby's crossover articles with Chet and Erik. From there, I discovered that I wasn't the only one who was onto what furry was doing as a subculture. Watching other folks call out disgusting furry sites clicked with me, so I stuck around and acquainted myself with other exhibits. Like Shining Force Kid, I had found My People.

* "unwanted exposure" for furry is anything which doesn't paint them in the absolute most positive light as the perfect, happiest group of people to have ever put shorts over their SPHs
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Episode 200a: Retrospective | Part 1 #66
I already used my bulb but you can have a [freakout].

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Episode 200a: Retrospective | Part 1 #67
a couple of guys a few tables back started excitedly nudging each other and whisper-shouting "THAT'S VICTOR LASZLO!"Victor Laszlo, January 19, 2016, 07:08:18 pm

They messed up the most perfect opportunity to say [yayvictor]

I started my freshman year of high school in the latter half of 1995 [...]
Isfahan, January 19, 2016, 10:15:27 pm

I happened to be listening to this while I read this post and it really set the noir mood:

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Isfahan's post reminded me of something from years ago.  I was on some gaming site's forum and noticed someone had posted a thread about wanting someone to collaborate with him on making a Shining Force fan game, I think?  It seemed like a pretty generic "ideas guy" post that nobody replied to, but he linked back to his personal website called Game Legacies and for some reason, I decided to click it.  My browser froze up and crashed on me.

So I load it up, went back to the site because now I'm curious, and it froze up again.  Something on the site was causing my Mozilla browser (when it was still using the dinosaur mascot instead of being rebranded Firefox) to break and I had to use Internet Explorer to open it, and it was the most Web 1.0ish site I had ever seen on the internet.  Sadly, I think this picture of it from when it it one of Something Awful's "awful link of the day" features is the only thing left of it.



He had a music file embedded and set to autoplay that would only work if I had this old, obnoxious and almost virus-like media program called RealPlayer installed and almost 200 webrings on the main site.  Pages upon pages of webrings, from gaming webrings to parenting webrings to LGBT webrings, I assume anything he could possibly use for networking purposes.  Blinking text.  Marquee.  What must have been over a hundred hand-written full walkthroughs for random Nintendo, Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis games and almost EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PAGES HAD THEIR OWN, UNIQUE EMBEDDED MUSIC FILE.  It was like a one-man attempted recreation of Gamefaqs.  And the cherry on top was one random tucked-away small page about his alleged UFO sightings.

About a year later, I searched for Game Legacies again stumbled across someone else's personal website that had a small paragraph dedicated to how much he disliked me for submitting it to SA's Awful Link of the Day because said person considered that crazy site's owner to be his personal arch-nemesis on the internet and had been submitting that same site to SA for months without it being featured, and he thought I somehow knew that and submitted it myself just to spite him.

I think that's the earliest weird internet thing I can remember getting really absorbed into because it was practically dropped on my doorstep, then minorly flamed by an obsessed third party because I happened to show off what I found.

Edit:  Its on the Wayback Machine here:  https://web.archive.org/web/20060424134323/http://www.gamelegacies.com/main.htm
Also fixed the number of webrings I mentioned because it turned out I overshot by a bit when I went back to count.
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And the cherry on top was one random tucked-away small page about his alleged UFO sightings.
Cyberventurer, January 20, 2016, 12:48:15 am

Oh, that reminds me of the Odyssey of Hyrule! Somehow it's still up, and it's got some of the most hilariously conspiracy-theory stuff about Zelda I have ever and will ever see. Unsurprisingly the guy running the site turned out to be an actual conspiracy theorist.

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Episode 200a: Retrospective | Part 1 #70
that flash animation of the stillborn baby spirit dwaggyn belting out "Hello My Ragtime GAAAAL"
CormansInferno, January 19, 2016, 12:55:59 pm


I don't remember that one!  Do you know if it's still out there anywhere?
Old_Zircon, January 19, 2016, 01:03:24 pm

Yup (auto-playing sound, FYI)
It's one of the very few remaining bits of POE memorabilia that I somehow still have. Portaxx would be the person to go into the backstory of this one, if she's so inclined.
a gross spider, January 19, 2016, 10:08:11 pm

Hahaha god it's such a stupid story. I should tell it some day, really.

For anyone who doesn't know, the tl;dr version is: I once made fun of a made-up dead dragon baby (note: said dragon baby did not exist in any capacity in real life) on PoE and got the most stalkery threats (death and otherwise!!) for it. Nobody ever followed through of course, so yeah I suppose otherkin can still be technically classified as "harmless," but boy howdy does their subculture encourage unhealthy behavior even beyond the whole "pretending to be a gryphon-shapeshifter-mage" thing.

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Episode 200a: Retrospective | Part 1 #71
This is part of the "discussion for another time" that I alluded to in the podcast.

I ran my own BBS from 1992 to 1995, on the "rogue" side of Fidonet.  Fidonet was such a big thing in my city that there were two separate networks: a formal one for people who insisted on real names, and a rogue one, for people who liked to use weird aliases.

Before I continue, this was pre-Internet, the way your forebears communicated with each other. Fidonet sites were run off your own computer if you chose to host one, using software that turned your computer into a Bulletin Board Service (BBS), and connected by dialing your modem with their modem.  Any messages that were to be sent along the network were done by your BBS calling its "server" BBS (again, modem to modem, preferentially with short-distance telephone calls) and transferred messages that way.

So in a nutshell, it was a glorified forum system.  No graphics to speak of, as modem speeds were slow enough to make transferring even a simple 320x240 image enormously time-consuming.  There was something compelling about being able to communicate with people across the continent though, and I'd made a few friends that way--though it'd take days for messages to arrive.  Mostly, though, it was people in the city itself and various groups of us would get together on occasion and form friendships away from the keyboards.

Anyway!  One of the other individuals I met was quiet, rarely left home, and lived off social assistance because of a supposed back injury, though affable enough.  I played a couple tabletop RPGs with him and friends, and I started calling his BBS as he was hosting one as well, though on the other, "formal" network.  I noted he had a channel dedicated to "Multiple Personality Disorder" (MPD) and absolutely had to have a feed.  I had to.  The second I got it, I distributed it to others in the rogue network, because that feed was a hot commodity.

That channel was filled--it was really active--with people who would make posts as their alternate personalities.  I don't know what they got out of it but it was kind of funny.  My "host" was also a participant, and I knew him to be a fake: his alternate personalities were just the characters he'd made up for the various RPGs we were in.  The tough brute personality was the soldier in a Cyberpunk campaign, the psycho personality was the barbarian in some D&D, and so forth.  Seriously, there was a 1:1 correlation and this guy was a quiet roll-the-dice type, not Sunday Amateur Theatre Hour sort of roleplayer.

Even that wasn't rich enough fodder for the MPD people: they formed up a new group they called SRA:  "Satanic Ritual Abuse".  Somebody had read "Sybil", yeah.  They would make SRA posts in the voice of their little inner child, frequently in a clearly fake, affected childish dialect.  As in, "an den I wicked up the chockwit".  It couldn't be more fake if they tried.

I never once poked at it, but it was bizarrely fascinating reading grown-ass adults trying to fake their way having a fake disease they read up in a since-debunked novel written 20 years previously, and cemented in my young mind that "Yeah, there's some real fucking broken dipshits out there."

I never once poked at the echo, and once the novelty of reading about these dipshits worse off, I disconnected the feed and never spoke to the "host" again, though I did cross paths later (without him knowing).  He had moved his pity-habit online.

And then in 1995 it became really easy to get online and I dropped Fidonet instantly.  I think there's still some hilarious old fucks still trying to run a site or two, but with nobody using modems anymore I really haven't a clue how they manage.

PoE, when I stumbled across it, was a natural fit.
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a couple of guys a few tables back started excitedly nudging each other and whisper-shouting "THAT'S VICTOR LASZLO!"Victor Laszlo, January 19, 2016, 07:08:18 pm

They messed up the most perfect opportunity to say [yayvictor]

Lady Frenzy, January 19, 2016, 11:17:16 pm

Where do you think YAY VICTORY came from?

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Episode 200a: Retrospective | Part 1 #73
Oh my fucking god all of this TF2 nostalgia is going to crush me.

Can we get a TF2 server? Maybe with all of the terrible cash shop items disabled, just stock weapons and the 2009-ish-era achievement unlock items left in?
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I'll get the TF2 server back up and running, probably with all of my old mods.

We'll schedule a time to play.
Boots Raingear, January 18, 2016, 11:14:40 am

How many kills until Hanson?

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Episode 200a: Retrospective | Part 1 #74
Nobody in real life is ever that happy to see me!
Victor Laszlo, January 19, 2016, 07:08:18 pm

I always knew you were a proctologist.
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