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Snakes In The Ball Pit => Yay, I get to talk about me! => Topic started by: Ike on September 02, 2013, 11:02:29 am
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Is it just me or have the forums been seeing weirdly low traffic?
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I'd kind of chalked it up to either the dearth of new episodes, or the recent furry drama, or both. Or maybe everyone's just coincidentally got other shit to do outside the System of Tubes.
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Could be. It is schoolin' time I suppose.
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If I had to peg it on anything, it would probably be the start of a new school semester. I don't know if the F Plus have done any official demographics, but I'd peg a lot of the F+ userbase at around college age?
Though Chaos might be on to something too. I wouldn't be surprised if the drama thread or less frequent episodes were contributing factors.
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If furry drama was enough to kill off forums then there'd be nary a forum able to survive out there.
Including furry forums.
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If furry drama was enough to kill off forums then there'd be nary a forum able to survive out there.
Including furry forums.
Isfahan, September 02, 2013, 12:32:33 pm
Well I certainly don't think it's been killed off permanently. Just that a few people seem to have run for cover, in particular the second-most prolific poster around. In any case I'm sure the place will endure and see many more glorious furry-related arguments in its career.
Ike: Oyeah, I keep forgetting that since my school year is ending this month instead of beginning. The general fan demographic does seem to skew relatively young, I suppose.
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Just that a few people seem to have run for cover, in particular the second-most prolific poster around.TheCrawlingChaos, September 02, 2013, 12:38:15 pm
If calling furry a fundamentally-sexualized, broken, toxic community that turns a collective blind eye to the dogfuckers in their midst because there's money to be made is enough to get people to run for cover, then there's more personal reasons behind it than just them reading the words I'm typing out.
I mean, this is a forum for a podcast that has done (http://thefpl.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=75%3Aepisode-47-in-the-world-of-dragon-dildos-is-the-chin-waddle-man-king) these (http://thefpl.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=118%3Aepisode-69-the-state-of-the-micronation-is-strong) episodes (http://thefpl.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=134%3Aepisode-77-go-get-em-tiger) and somehow these people running for cover didn't get the memo?
Anyone who's honestly "run for cover" because I recognized and immediately challenged Icarus's attempt to sway opinion and make the forums a more furry-friendly place is obviously content to stay in a safe place (http://www.tumblr.com) an echo chamber where their opinions are never seriously countered and everyone pretends that everything being posted is swell.
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I haven't even seen as many lurkers on, so I'm willing to put it up to people just being busy. Get postin', fools! It's a long weekend!
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I mean, this is a forum for a podcast that has done (http://thefpl.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=75%3Aepisode-47-in-the-world-of-dragon-dildos-is-the-chin-waddle-man-king) these (http://thefpl.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=118%3Aepisode-69-the-state-of-the-micronation-is-strong) episodes (http://thefpl.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=134%3Aepisode-77-go-get-em-tiger) and somehow these people running for cover didn't get the memo?Isfahan, September 02, 2013, 01:23:48 pm
This is also the community that did the Irregular podcast, and repeatedly emphasizes the sort of prime directive 'live and let live' mentality. The F Plus has done a lot to emphasize this idea that they're more internet anthropologists who've found weird shit and think it's funny, than crusaders out to demolish dysfunctional internet communities and keep their own herd pure. I think that's why a number of people are offset by the sort of vigor and stamina with which you responded to Icarus' post. It's not that you're -wrong- about the pervasive problems of that subculture, it's the tone and the modus-operandi. There are ways to make your opinions known without singling out posters like that.
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I don't think you understand what a prime directive is. We don't engage the subjects of our podcast episodes. We don't go on Pounced and make "u r dum" posts. That's the prime directive. However, this is simple community interaction. That's how it went down on PoE, too. Exhibits regularly took it upon themselves to debate PoEsters on their own site, and PoEsters gladly engaged them there. No prime directive violation. Unless the prime directive now means "I'm going to bring stuff up and nobody's allowed to say anything about it," I think I was fine.
Also again with the singling-out accusations. It was Icarus's post, so that's what I had to respond to. How is that singling out? I made it quite clear that my beef is with furries, not with Icarus. Maybe you're using some strange outsider-art browser that auto-replaces "furries" with "Icarus" and that's where the misunderstanding is coming from, so from now on, I will spell those words "furrys" and "Ikarus" to fool your filter.
Please explain to me how I was singling Ikarus out that does not amount to "Ikarus is the author of the post that you replied to."
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With the exception of Delcat, nobody was singled out, but there was a serious vibe in the thread that if you associate with or tolerate furries in even the most tangential way that you're either a broken human being, a broken human being enabler, or not welcome in this community, regardless of your actual posting content within this community. Especially when most of that tone is coming from people who are actually members of the podcast and aren't likely to get reprimanded or reigned in. I like portaxx and her rants are amusing to me, but this post (http://ballp.it/index.php?topic=743.msg17166#msg17166) in particular was just fucking mean, especially since Delcat was pretty polite for the entirety of the thread (unless I missed something.) I don't know Delcat's posting history or if she contributed prior to the boards opening up, but it's kind of really offputting when the standard user pays 10 dollars in Actual Money for the privilege of posting here and has to watch what they say or reveal what groups they associate with less they get told in no uncertain terms that they are lesser members of the community.
The ethos of the podcast is basically to point, laugh, and move on, but that breaks down completely when it's on your turf and it honestly makes me question the tone of the podcast itself, because reading that post and then listening to the mocking laughter on the podcast makes me wonder if it's a lot more mean-spirited than you guys want to believe it is. I'm not here to hate on people, I just like hearing the weirdness the internet has to offer. That thread seriously clashed with the Irregular furry episode, which was a candid discussion of an interesting internet subculture. If you're going to invite people onto your podcast and your website to put themselves out there for the sake of discussion, it's really offputting of the whole deal to read a thread like that.
edit: none of that is supposed to be an objective monster cockysis, that's just how I read the whole thing.
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(unless I missed something.)Ike, September 02, 2013, 02:37:05 pm
You're missing quite a bit, yes, and decorum is actually the reason you haven't been brought up to speed on it.
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HERE WE GO AGAIN! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ)
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(unless I missed something.)Ike, September 02, 2013, 02:37:05 pm
You're missing quite a bit, yes, and decorum is actually the reason you haven't been brought up to speed on it.
Isfahan, September 02, 2013, 02:45:32 pm
Right. I'm not trying to dredge up more drama, it's just that the whole thing was kind of disappointing.
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If I hadn't posted in that thread, then it would have become a pro-furry circlejerk, and then I would have been disappointed. It's a zero-sum game.
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I suspect people are just busy.
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I suspect people are just busy.Runic, September 02, 2013, 03:06:51 pm
In all honesty, I think this is what it is. Summer's wrapping up, people are away for Labo(u)r Day, school's beginning, it's the last month of the fiscal year for lots of places, and the football season is starting.
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If I hadn't posted in that thread, then it would have become a pro-furry circlejerk, and then I would have been disappointed. It's a zero-sum game.
Isfahan, September 02, 2013, 03:05:54 pm
For what it's worth I was trying to word my post neutrally. In retrospect I can see how it looked more snarkily coy and I apologize for that.
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It's because I got a job!
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It's because I got a job!
montrith, September 02, 2013, 03:54:20 pm
Grats! What kind of job?
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It's because I got a job!
montrith, September 02, 2013, 03:54:20 pm
Ugh, the bourgeois, am I wrong, comrades?
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Please explain to me how I was singling Ikarus out that does not amount to "Ikarus is the author of the post that you replied to."
Isfahan, September 02, 2013, 02:20:39 pm
You know, big picture, you're right. The majority of the thread was painted in broader strokes, and there's very few individuals who are specifically targetted in that thread - but I did feel that by opening with links to Icarus' journal and webcomic, the later arguments did come across as being personally directed.
We're diverging from topic, though. I'll just state that I agree with Ike's line of reasoning here and be done with it. At the end of the day, the posting frequency changes are more likely seasonal than anything else.
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I suspect people are just busy.Runic, September 02, 2013, 03:06:51 pm
In all honesty, I think this is what it is. Summer's wrapping up, people are away for Labo(u)r Day, school's beginning, it's the last month of the fiscal year for lots of places, and the football season is starting.
Isfahan, September 02, 2013, 03:08:47 pm
Just Labor day. Only in America do we celebrate Labor day in September, the rest of the world does it on May first. We changed the date because we wanted a day off but NO COMMIE MAN NO COMMIE.
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It's in September here in Canada too (Because we absorb everything from America by osmosis).
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It's in September here in Canada too (Because we absorb everything from America by osmosis).
KingKalamari, September 02, 2013, 07:05:47 pm
Except poutine. Y'all came up with that shit on your own.
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It's in September here in Canada too (Because we absorb everything from America by osmosis).
KingKalamari, September 02, 2013, 07:05:47 pm
Yeah damned canadians stealing our calendar. COME UP WITH YOUR OWN MONTHS, FREELOADERS
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I vote we change the name of September to Jesustember just to stick it to them!
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It's because I got a job!
montrith, September 02, 2013, 03:54:20 pm
Grats! What kind of job?
TheCrawlingChaos, September 02, 2013, 03:59:09 pm
All you need to know is that if you've ever done business with a mail order company I hate your guts.
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For me it's just that I've shot my load. I only have a few atrocity tourism interest areas - conservative nutters, religious nutters and furries, pretty much. And I done made me a Conservapedia thread and a Naylor thread. So basically at this point I could just keep updating the conservapedia thread with every new bit of idiocy I find, or stumble into other people's threads and make useless "HA HA YEAH THAT SURE IS MESSED UP" posts, and neither of those seems particularly useful.
Also happy 666th, Runic!
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Somehow I managed to collapse the "this internet of ours" section and forgot it existed for like a week. In my defense it was a really stressful week.
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So basically at this point I could just keep updating the conservapedia thread with every new bit of idiocy I find
Also happy 666th, Runic!
Fizzlebang the Wise, September 03, 2013, 06:58:53 pm
I'd be up for that. And thank you!
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I am currently working three jobs, moving my landlord's stuff out of my apartment, my brother and sister in law INTO the apartment, and it's the Jewish New Year. So that, plus the dearth of new episodes have had me elsewhere.
I do miss y'all, though.
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Bolt Throwers entire catalog is up on Spotify. Thats where I assumed folks were.
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Bolt Throwers entire catalog is up on Spotify. Thats where I assumed folks were.
jack-chick, September 03, 2013, 09:37:05 pm
The real crime here is that your assumption was not absolutely correct.
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I just moved at the start of the month and don't have internet at the new place yet. Also my phone is messed up lately?
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I've been busy with work and making and performing music and finishing up the second book collection of my shitty comics so I've just been looking at my notified threads but not perusing the rest of the forum much lately.
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Man, I never read that furry thread until now. Uff da. That's a lot of passion about fantasy animal-fuckin'.
As for me, I work a lot, and most of my atrocity tourism at the mo is confined to marvelling at terrible tumblr stuff that probably amuses no one other than myself. I still lurk though!!
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I've just been caught up in other stuff and haven't found a lot of new content or had a lot of interesting questions to pose. I am not really keen on making pointless fluff posts and just responding to others' threads, so without stumbling across some fresh new atrocity or getting curious about things like username/avatar origins, I turn into a silent ghost and drift off into the night.
Waiting. Watching. Creepily breathing.
There's also the issue that when I find something substantial enough I just try to make a doc rather than mention it on the forums, since I don't want to burn people out on the subject before it has a chance to potentially get into the limelight as an actual episode subject.
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I just don't post unless I've got something to share, either with regards to an argument or some new piece of internet horror I've found. I don't feel a particular urge to post just to talk about myself.
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Likewise I haven't been posting very frequently, 'cept in the games forum from time to time.
Looks like I missed a rather interesting (and at times heated) debate over on that there furry thread you folks were talking about. Which is probably for the best.
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Uh...damn. I didn't even realize that thread existed until I saw people bring it up here. Did Delcat actually weird out Portaxx enough to drop out of the podcast, or did I misread that? That's just creepy.
Edit: Okay I did misread it, but that's still pretty awful.
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Uh...damn. I didn't even realize that thread existed until I saw people bring it up here. Did Delcat actually weird out Portaxx enough to drop out of the podcast, or did I misread that? That's just creepy.
Cyberventurer, September 08, 2013, 08:56:27 pm
I HOPE Portaxx only meant she was quitting this forum. Which is still very unfortunate.
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As for me, my home internet situation is all fucked at my new apartment and I've had a lot of projects to keep me well invested in reality.
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Reading back on that furry drama thread has me convinced that you guys need to have a Furry porn episode, and you have to make Isfahan read all of them.
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Hah, is that my punishment?
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Their sins will be read by you ceaselessly, in shifts, throughout eternity. The list will never end.