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Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Lemon on March 30, 2015, 12:33:36 pm: with Boots Raingear Isfahan Acierocolotl and Lemon
content for this episode was compiled by Cheapskate
edited by Boots Raingear.

There's so many opinions on the internet, and those opinions are held by people who take considerable effort to try to convince others that their own opinion is correct. But what happens if you want your opinion to be changed by facts and persuasive arguments that others provide to you? Well, hypothetically you go to r/changemyview, a subReddit where people share their own opinion, and then sit back and carefully consider every conflicting opinion that's presented to them. In theory, this is a terrific idea! This week, The F Plus discovers the White Power Black Hole.

MUSIC USED:
Sugar - If I Can't Change Your Mind
LCD Sound System - I Can Change
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: positive stress on March 30, 2015, 03:50:40 pm: I like the people who go on here and say things like "there's nothing inherently wrong with bestiality/pedophilia/whatever I'M NOT INTO IT PERSONALLY [deletes r/sexwithchildren from browser history] I'M JUST SAYING"

I just looked at a post on CMV about rape and one person's reply included the phrase "Are we allowing good rappers to get away with it?" which I'm really going to have to think about. This has certainly changed my view on Nas and GZA
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Post by: A Meat on March 30, 2015, 04:01:01 pm: I wish this subreddit had a structure in the same way debate.org had. I'd love to see these idiots try to use a structure poorly while also talking about their terrible or pointless opinions.
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Post by: Macho Masc Sangy Savage on March 30, 2015, 05:26:43 pm: Thanks for making it a potpurri of different kinds of awful, because if the whole thing was "I should be allowed to fuck insert noun, CMV" it would have been on par with the dickbugs episode for most revolting. Still pretty close.
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Post by: Puppy Time on March 30, 2015, 05:39:59 pm: I like the people who go on here and say things like "there's nothing inherently wrong with bestiality/pedophilia/whatever I'M NOT INTO IT PERSONALLY [deletes r/sexwithchildren from browser history] I'M JUST SAYING"
fruithag, March 30, 2015, 03:50:40 pm

I've run into enough edgy and socially maladjusted "devil's advocate" types that I can believe that person might exist.

I still wouldn't leave anyone making that argument alone with my pets, because it's like 99% chance they're NOT the edgy dummy.
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Post by: QueenSyreen on March 30, 2015, 09:46:02 pm: By the end of this podcast, I was so unironically fond of that 2% Milk guy. His vehement hatred and poor understanding of the situation was directed at milk. Harmless, inoffensive milk. That doesn't make me want to take a long cold shower at all. Unlike the rest of this show. In other words, a + content, hell yeah
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: memorylikeasieve on March 30, 2015, 11:54:10 pm: But Boots, tell us about the maple syrup! Maybe it's better in Canada, Land of Maple Everything!
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: memorylikeasieve on March 30, 2015, 11:56:10 pm: By the end of this podcast, I was so unironically fond of that 2% Milk guy. His vehement hatred and poor understanding of the situation was directed at milk. Harmless, inoffensive milk. That doesn't make me want to take a long cold shower at all. Unlike the rest of this show. In other words, a + content, hell yeah
QueenSyreen, March 30, 2015, 09:46:02 pm

Milk Guy knows what's what and what he wants!
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Post by: Cleretic on March 31, 2015, 12:18:46 am: They are right, though, Superman vs. Goku is the most one-sided 'who would win' argument in nerdery. Every Superman can beat every Goku, it's not even fair.
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Boots Raingear on March 31, 2015, 07:03:53 am: But Boots, tell us about the maple syrup! Maybe it's better in Canada, Land of Maple Everything!
memorylikeasieve, March 30, 2015, 11:54:10 pm

Maple syrup's good. I just take offence with the use of sweetened peanut butter. Fuck that garbage. Get that all-natural stuff that sticks in your throat and kills you.
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Post by: Deep 13 on March 31, 2015, 08:32:17 am: I enjoyed the crazypants rant by the guy trying to spout philosophy even more than usual, as he was regurgitating his frothing rant based on stuff from Eckhart Tolle. Having read one of Tolle's books, I have to say, there are some fascinating, actually somewhat useful ideas on mindfulness (that is, being aware of your own mental state and not allowing it to influence your actions) and general spirituality, but it's all bogged down by a lot of really really nutty stuff, like the belief that people have a chance to become "awakened" by reading his books, and if enough people become "awakened" that a global shift in consciousness will occur that will bring about an age of peace, and that each person has a "pain body" inside of them, which is some sort of energy being comprised of all the pain that we've gone through that tries to draw more emotional pain to us.

Mostly, it's an amusing experience to see someone with a few good ideas get so dragged down by his own absurd insanity.
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Post by: Knitting Machine on March 31, 2015, 09:10:23 am: MAN TEEN
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Isfahan on March 31, 2015, 09:46:10 am: MAN TEENKnitOneKillTwo, March 31, 2015, 09:10:23 am

The Manteen is a cafeteria where unapologetic men can eat ham and eggs with bourbon, smoke cigars, talk about lift kits, and fart without having to say "excuse me." There is wood paneling on the walls, and the napkins are a roll of paper towels.

If the Mealitary idea falls through, that's what that guy will try to open next.
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: A Meat on March 31, 2015, 09:56:56 am: MAN TEENKnitOneKillTwo, March 31, 2015, 09:10:23 am

The Manteen is a cafeteria where unapologetic men can eat ham and eggs with bourbon, smoke cigars, talk about lift kits, and fart without having to say "excuse me." There is wood paneling on the walls, and the napkins are a roll of paper towels.

If the Mealitary idea falls through, that's what that guy will try to open next.
Isfahan, March 31, 2015, 09:46:10 am

Could be a pretty good name for a bar for bears
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Post by: Isfahan on March 31, 2015, 04:30:46 pm: Being heterosexual, I did not want to assume I knew what gay men would want out of a too-cleverly-named hangout. All I know is that the lunch counter at The Manteen is just a row of stainless-steel kitchen sinks you stand at and eat over.
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on March 31, 2015, 04:32:56 pm: I assume the cleaning staff just turns on some garden hoses and washes the place down every night.
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Isfahan on March 31, 2015, 04:37:14 pm: They do, because there are floor drains everywhere.
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Lemon on March 31, 2015, 04:43:52 pm: Are you sure you aren't describing a slaughterhouse?
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on March 31, 2015, 04:48:56 pm: Are you sure you aren't describing a slaughterhouse?
Lemon, March 31, 2015, 04:43:52 pm

Depends on how desperate they are for cheap meat!
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Isfahan on March 31, 2015, 09:18:07 pm: Are you sure you aren't describing a slaughterhouse?
Lemon, March 31, 2015, 04:43:52 pm

No, because slaughterhouses don't clean the place every night.
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Nikaer Drekin on March 31, 2015, 11:13:55 pm: Don't feel too bad, Acier, my first thought was also that the Steve Harvey complaint was going in a racist direction. Was pretty relieved that, in an episode loaded with fucked-up people, that turned out to be a pretty benign one!
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Post by: Username on April 01, 2015, 02:27:32 am: Do 5 year olds know Tyke-Won-Do?
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Post by: Acierocolotl on April 01, 2015, 08:18:52 am: Don't feel too bad, Acier, Nikaer Drekin, March 31, 2015, 11:13:55 pm

"Feel bad?"

What's that? Sounds complicated.
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: JamEngulfer on April 01, 2015, 03:45:01 pm: I hate to be a pedant to everybody, but typically you preface subreddit names with a leading slash, like /r/mystupidideas. I don't know, I think it looks a little neater.
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: chai tea latte on April 01, 2015, 03:46:04 pm: I hate to be a pedant to everybody, but typically you preface subreddit names with a leading slash, like /r/mystupidideas. I don't know, I think it looks a little neater.
JamEngulfer, April 01, 2015, 03:45:01 pm
leading slashes are for imageboards, like /b/ or /mu/
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Fanzay on April 02, 2015, 09:40:18 am: I hate to be a pedant to everybody, but typically you preface subreddit names with a leading slash, like /r/mystupidideas. I don't know, I think it looks a little neater.
JamEngulfer, April 01, 2015, 03:45:01 pm
leading slashes are for imageboards, like /b/ or /mu/
chai tea latte, April 01, 2015, 03:46:04 pm

NERDS

This episode was great.
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Cheapskate on April 02, 2015, 06:40:07 pm: "Feel bad?"

What's that? Sounds complicated.
Quote from

Canadians don’t know what “feeling bad” is for the same reason fish don’t know what “water” is.
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: chai tea latte on April 02, 2015, 06:45:08 pm: "Feel bad?"

What's that? Sounds complicated.
Quote from

Canadians don’t know what “feeling bad” is for the same reason fish don’t know what “water” is.
Cheapskate, April 02, 2015, 06:40:07 pm
fish are drunk all the time??
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Psammetichus on April 02, 2015, 07:39:40 pm: This is the perfect time to promote my more honest spinoff of /r/changemyview: /r/AffirmMyBigotry (http://www.reddit.com/r/AffirmMyBigotry/). (It is currently just a redirect to /r/changemyview.)
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: crow on April 05, 2015, 02:10:11 pm: This guy doesn't know jack shit about Ted DiBiasi or his pre-WWE days. He was the fucking man in Mid-South and the NWA
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Sovereign on June 09, 2015, 06:03:31 pm: I was browsing r/randomactsofgaming when I spotted one of these outside of its respective subreddit. It's a doozy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RandomActsOfGaming/comments/38u1z7/convince_me_that_cannibalism_is_wrong_and_win/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/RandomActsOfGaming/comments/38u1z7/convince_me_that_cannibalism_is_wrong_and_win/)
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Post by: Ashto on June 10, 2015, 05:31:04 pm: I was browsing r/randomactsofgaming when I spotted one of these outside of its respective subreddit. It's a doozy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RandomActsOfGaming/comments/38u1z7/convince_me_that_cannibalism_is_wrong_and_win/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/RandomActsOfGaming/comments/38u1z7/convince_me_that_cannibalism_is_wrong_and_win/)

Sovereign, June 09, 2015, 06:03:31 pm
I... I don't quite know what to make of this. "Stingy troll who didn't intend to award the game" is my best guess, though some of the replies are really something. Case in point:

I admit I would like the game, but I for one feel cannibalism is not entirely a bad idea. It would do some good towards ending world hunger, but I also feel that with human flesh being as durable as it is, why not use it to make sturdy materials?ItsJustJoss
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: Isfahan on June 10, 2015, 07:21:21 pm: jet fuel can't melt human flesh
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Post by: Fatty Bo Batty on June 10, 2015, 07:25:08 pm: Ah man, I can't wait until they start making Solent Glue.
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Post by: goombapolice on June 11, 2015, 06:22:36 am: I'd love nothing more than a lampshade made out of my dead mother. Thanks for solving this problem Reddit
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Post by: adrenochrome dome on January 21, 2016, 12:29:37 pm: I'll see your megaprison and raise you one nerd cage (http://maneatingrobot.com/096/prison-reform-via-soylent-and-oculus/).
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: goombapolice on January 21, 2016, 01:33:43 pm: My god this is the most infuriating thing I've read all year.

Truly written by someone who has never experienced a single hardship in their life
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Post by: goombapolice on January 21, 2016, 01:37:39 pm: (imagine gamifying prison rehab!),

gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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Post by: adrenochrome dome on January 21, 2016, 01:45:58 pm: My roommate and I debated over whether it was real. His point is that no one could be that dumb. Mine is that he seems to be a legit author.

My favorite/worst element is definitely that he seems to only be able to think in terms of #brands. A network connected scale? No, a Fitbit scale!

There's clearly a bit of wish fulfillment going on with the part about spending most of your time in a gaming chair/bed. And with only seeing humans in person once a month. And with being rewarded for playing Minecraft. And with...
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Post by: Frank West on January 21, 2016, 02:23:21 pm: let's turn prison into Ready Player One

damn man i thought we were trying to make prison less unpleasant
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Post by: Dawnswalker on January 21, 2016, 02:55:20 pm: I was just about to say, of COURSE there's a Ready Player One reference in there. And I love how the beginning of the article (rightfully) cites institutional corruption that nobody with any power has any incentive to change, but then fails to address that key part of the problem in any of his fantasies.

"Inmates will be happier, healthier, and less anti-social if we feed them grey nerd slurry and lock them in a gaming closet."
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: adrenochrome dome on January 21, 2016, 03:28:09 pm: He's got that creepy nerd utilitarianism. Sexual assault from other inmates? No other inmates! Complex logistical issues that ruin lives and drain money? Spend less money!

He's somehow so disconnected from humanity that he sees cutting costs as an ultimate solution.

It reminds me of the guy who wrote Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. Full discussion would derail everything, but there's probably a thread on him already. This kind of thought process is what makes some of the tech industry personalities unnerving for me.
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Post by: Mu. on January 21, 2016, 03:42:40 pm: "Inmates will be happier, healthier, and less anti-social if we feed them grey nerd slurry and lock them in a gaming closet."
Dawnswalker, January 21, 2016, 02:55:20 pm

Just look how happy the gaming community is!
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Post by: Laocius on January 21, 2016, 08:17:57 pm: He's got that creepy nerd utilitarianism. Sexual assault from other inmates? No other inmates! Complex logistical issues that ruin lives and drain money? Spend less money!

He's somehow so disconnected from humanity that he sees cutting costs as an ultimate solution.

It reminds me of the guy who wrote Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. Full discussion would derail everything, but there's probably a thread on him already. This kind of thought process is what makes some of the tech industry personalities unnerving for me.
Tao Te Chump, January 21, 2016, 03:28:09 pm

I don't think there is a Yudkowsky thread, but there totally should be. I've thought about making a Yudkowsky/Less Wrong doc, but I think it would require too much explanation up front to be funny.
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Post by: chai tea latte on January 21, 2016, 08:32:53 pm: He's got that creepy nerd utilitarianism. Sexual assault from other inmates? No other inmates! Complex logistical issues that ruin lives and drain money? Spend less money!

He's somehow so disconnected from humanity that he sees cutting costs as an ultimate solution.

It reminds me of the guy who wrote Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. Full discussion would derail everything, but there's probably a thread on him already. This kind of thought process is what makes some of the tech industry personalities unnerving for me.
Tao Te Chump, January 21, 2016, 03:28:09 pm

I don't think there is a Yudkowsky thread, but there totally should be. I've thought about making a Yudkowsky/Less Wrong doc, but I think it would require too much explanation up front to be funny.
Laocius, January 21, 2016, 08:17:57 pm
I have a Less Wrong doc like 3/4s finished but every time I try to seal the deal I just wanna go for a walk outside instead. Anyone with real doozies of LW posts should PM them to me.
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Post by: adrenochrome dome on January 21, 2016, 11:03:18 pm: I have a Less Wrong doc like 3/4s finished but every time I try to seal the deal I just wanna go for a walk outside instead. Anyone with real doozies of LW posts should PM them to me.
chai tea latte, January 21, 2016, 08:32:53 pm

Please include something about Roko’s Basilisk (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html). It's such a beautiful example of how the athiest transhuman movement can act like a fundamentalist religion.
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Post by: EYE OF ZA on January 21, 2016, 11:47:27 pm: chai tea, do you have any quotes from the LessWrong/Rationalist My Little Pony fanfic because if not I have a PM to draft
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: chai tea latte on January 21, 2016, 11:59:11 pm: chai tea, do you have any quotes from the LessWrong/Rationalist My Little Pony fanfic because if not I have a PM to draft
EYE OF ZA, January 21, 2016, 11:47:27 pm
none from it but one piece from where the writer is chatting about it and everyone fucking loves the idea. please PM me the fanfic excerpts i'm not going to read it myself
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Post by: EYE OF ZA on January 22, 2016, 04:24:55 am: I dug it up and somehow it was worse than I had remembered, you'll see when you hit the 24-point marquee
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: goombapolice on January 22, 2016, 06:05:26 am: Woke up. Thought about that prison article. Still mad.
Title: Episode 171: r/mystupidideas
Post by: chai tea latte on January 22, 2016, 12:38:43 pm: I dug it up and somehow it was worse than I had remembered, you'll see when you hit the 24-point marquee
EYE OF ZA, January 22, 2016, 04:24:55 am
oh jeez you weren't kidding. bleeeecccch.
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Post by: adrenochrome dome on January 22, 2016, 04:00:13 pm: Woke up. Thought about that prison article. Still mad.
goombapolice, January 22, 2016, 06:05:26 am

Take a chill shake relax in your recliner. It has a rumble feature.
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Post by: Ashto on January 24, 2016, 01:30:32 am: If with this system, one prison staffer (guard/moderator/supply runner) could manage 200 prisoners, as opposed to the current 4.

"This can also be considered efficient in regards to prison escapes, as the amount of guards an escaping prisoner would need to kill would be cut down by about 80%"
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Post by: Isfahan on January 24, 2016, 04:12:31 pm: If with this system, one prison staffer (guard/moderator/supply runner) could manage 200 prisoners, as opposed to the current 4.

"This can also be considered efficient in regards to prison escapes, as the amount of guards an escaping prisoner would need to kill would be cut down by about 80%"
Ashto, January 24, 2016, 01:30:32 am

See? It's all in how you spin it!
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Post by: Glitterbomber on January 24, 2016, 08:16:07 pm: I'll see your megaprison and raise you one nerd cage (http://maneatingrobot.com/096/prison-reform-via-soylent-and-oculus/).
Tao Te Chump, January 21, 2016, 12:29:37 pm

Hey I'm late to the party but I just saw this and want to laugh at him saying 'no no feeding human beings a 24/7 diet of Nutrient Paste for years at a time is humane because there's no PLASTIC FORKS that could be shanks!' and then saying we need to give these guys X-Box controllers
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Post by: STOG on January 24, 2016, 08:42:39 pm: I'll see your megaprison and raise you one nerd cage (http://maneatingrobot.com/096/prison-reform-via-soylent-and-oculus/).
Tao Te Chump, January 21, 2016, 12:29:37 pm

Hey I'm late to the party but I just saw this and want to laugh at him saying 'no no feeding human beings a 24/7 diet of Nutrient Paste for years at a time is humane because there's no PLASTIC FORKS that could be shanks!' and then saying we need to give these guys X-Box controllers
Glitterbomber, January 24, 2016, 08:16:07 pm

"Welcome to your cell, Emperor of Stabbing!"
"I know how to stab people. I like to stab people. I got a PhD in stabbing a lot."
"Now, your rehabilitation will consist of nothing but Soylent and this Oculus Rift device."
"Can I stab with it?"
"No. Of course, you can control your avatar in cyberspace with this plastic video game controller."
"I could stab someone with this white child's toy."
"Xbox 360 controllers don't have sharp edges!"
(THE EMPEROR OF STABBING THROWS HIS CONTROLLER AGAINST THE WALL SO HARD IT SHATTERS INTO JAGGED PLASTIC PIECES.)
"Hello, sharp plastic shiv pieces."
"That's not part of the vision of our new Tech-Fueled Utopia!"
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Post by: Glitterbomber on January 24, 2016, 08:57:06 pm: I've heard of a man 'sharpening' a carrot, getting a buddy to freeze it, and stabbing another dude in the eye with it. If a motherfucker can weaponize produce and you genuinely are concerned about 'possible shanks' don't give them electronics made of plastic and metal!

Plastic and metal are what you combine in the prison survival RPG crafting game to get the knife weapon!
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Post by: adrenochrome dome on January 25, 2016, 04:27:20 am: I'm sure they aren't any moving parts in a treadmill, either.
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Post by: Gyro on January 25, 2016, 08:42:45 am: He's got that creepy nerd utilitarianism. Sexual assault from other inmates? No other inmates! Complex logistical issues that ruin lives and drain money? Spend less money!

He's somehow so disconnected from humanity that he sees cutting costs as an ultimate solution.

It reminds me of the guy who wrote Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. Full discussion would derail everything, but there's probably a thread on him already. This kind of thought process is what makes some of the tech industry personalities unnerving for me.
Tao Te Chump, January 21, 2016, 03:28:09 pm

I don't think there is a Yudkowsky thread, but there totally should be. I've thought about making a Yudkowsky/Less Wrong doc, but I think it would require too much explanation up front to be funny.
Laocius, January 21, 2016, 08:17:57 pm
I have a Less Wrong doc like 3/4s finished but every time I try to seal the deal I just wanna go for a walk outside instead. Anyone with real doozies of LW posts should PM them to me.
chai tea latte, January 21, 2016, 08:32:53 pm

Have you included anything from the Dark Enlightenment? I thought about making a doc about neoreactionaries but it'd be too PUA-adjacent on its own.
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Post by: McMillan and Waifu on February 29, 2016, 05:28:29 pm: In recent news:

ChangeMyView: I think this group of researchers doesn't really "get" ChangeMyView (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/10/how-to-change-someones-mind-according-to-science/?tid=pm_business_pop_b)
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Post by: Neal on February 23, 2018, 09:50:00 pm: (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4758/40405644512_ab9ece17f2_b.jpg)
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Post by: Macho Masc Sangy Savage on February 23, 2018, 09:53:56 pm: Please give me a bowl of tiny brown sugar pop tarts tossed in an alfredo sauce, this man has a point!