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Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Lemon on February 05, 2014, 05:02:43 pm
ForTheLove revived the Kickstarter episode (http://thefpl.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96:episode-59-planet-moneygrubber) in the comments (http://thefpl.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96:episode-59-planet-moneygrubber&catid=1:podcasts#comment-6833), which led me into look at Terra Snover again, because I frequently make bad decisions on what to do with my free time.

Anyway, it might interest you to know that Terra hasn't given up on Kickstarter. After Princess: Escape From Kingdom Kalamity failed to find funding, the organization dissolved and Overzealous Studios (http://overzealousstudios.com/) rose from its ashes. They have a game (idea) called Wisp, which is some kind of indie game bullshit where you're a dot and there's colors.

Anyway, they made a new Kickstarter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/770724330/wisp-a-2d-puzzle-platformer?ref=users). We need $2,000 to make Wisp a reality! That didn't get funded. But the good thing is they had a back-up plan. Start a new Kickstarter! (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/770724330/wisp-0?ref=users) Now we need $4,000 to make the same game that we were going to make for $2,000 a couple months ago. The fun part is that they raised more than $2,000 in their second attempt and the project still failed.

Now they've wised up and removed the middleman entirely. You can now preorder a copy of Wisp (http://overzealousstudios.com/shop/), which of course has no release schedule, timeline, or any real assurance that this game will ever exist at all. The game has had a playable demo (it seems to have been scrubbed), so by all means everybody should send them $15 for a beta key. Or hell, $100 to design your own level! The result is the same regardless.

...

Okay, I know I've been harder on Terra Snover than a lot of other F+ subjects, but I think this panel from one of her Kickstarter pitches should put the whole thing into perspective.

(http://i.imgur.com/oSgFz4P.gif)

Fuck. You.

You're a 25 year old art school graduate with absolutely 0 track record in producing anything, other than poorly considered websites promoting products which do not exist. You wanna make your own game? Fine. Clearly you've met some people who realized that Torque 2D is pretty damn easy to work with, sit in front of the computers you already own and make a game during any hour when you're not working at Doc Hoopers.

You think this game will be something people will really love? I don't, but shit I played Typing of the Dead this morning, what do I know? I certainly can't judge you by the demo, which is fine because I get the feeling I'd have to install the Torque SDK to play it anyway. The point is you've had two years now to crank out a game and figure out the distribution later, but instead you keep coming back to the idea that other people need to hand you money so you can realize your dream and they do not.

And even if they did, what good is that $4k gonna do for you anyway? From your own pitch comic (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/770724330/wisp-0?ref=users), you need the money for
And there's somewhere between 3 and 7 of you on this team. Are you all quitting your jobs? Do all of you need your own new Alienware computer? Would you settle for Godiva chocolates, or does it have to be Ghirardelli? Honestly, how long do you think this $4,000 will last between you all and your laundry list of shit you need that's preventing you from releasing the World's Best Video Game? It's nonsense. If you got funded, you'd fight over what they money should go to and then six months later you've got another Kickstarter going to get you over "the next game hump".

Stop using other people to help you make excuses. Everybody I know that produces innovative and terrific creative work does so in addition to working at a real job, which might be intellectually fulfilling but probably not. If you truly love the work, you'll find the time to make it and you'll find the way to ship it. If you need $4,000 to get motivated to do something that you profess to love, then you need to stop lying to yourself.



Also, stop drawing Calvin & Hobbes.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Isfahan on February 05, 2014, 05:29:45 pm
man look at the way she draws hands

it's a bump on the end of an arm with three lines
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Runic on February 05, 2014, 05:32:25 pm
Damn it Lemon, that woman needs your money. How else is she going to pay for the surgery to correct the tragic birth defect that caused her to be born with flesh-forks instead of hands? If the picture is anything to go by, at least.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: nigeline on February 05, 2014, 05:40:40 pm
If she thinks $4000 will pay for "not having a job" in addition to her laundry list of toys, she's even stupider than I thought.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: cyclopeantrash on February 05, 2014, 05:45:59 pm
I have just one other tiny tiny nipick for Terra.

(http://i.imgur.com/5TgjDLn.png)

Dammit Terra. Just. Dammit.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: September on February 05, 2014, 05:49:15 pm
man look at the way she draws hands

it's a bump on the end of an arm with three lines
Isfahan, February 05, 2014, 05:29:45 pm
Something is seriously wrong with that arm. The longer I look at it, the more the perspective confuses me.

With regards to Terra Snover, I am sick and tired of this "I'm so smart and unique and creative, I shouldn't have to work a menial job like normal people!" mindset that so many internet young people seem to have (which I realize is awfully rich coming from an unemployed 19-year-old). Someone needs to sit these kids down an explain to them that literally everyone feels that way, and they are going to have to suck it up and get a damn job anyway, because that is how the world functions. If everyone just decided to quit their jobs and flitter away to pursue their passions, nothing would ever get done. No one would be making your coffee at Starbucks. No one would be helping you at the bank. You're not actually entitled to anything by virtue of your existing, no matter how special you think you are, or how much you believe working is beneath you.

....so basically, what Lemon said.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: KingKalamari on February 05, 2014, 05:53:23 pm
So focusing in on a very narrow detail here but she is aware that there are Photoshop alternatives that don't actually cost anything, right? Also this is the second time in two days I've seen someone trying to make money by being a DM (Thank you grognards.txt), I'm sorry people but it's not gonna happen!
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: nigeline on February 05, 2014, 05:55:05 pm
What I don't understand is how she doesn't still have a CS license from her art school!
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: cyclopeantrash on February 05, 2014, 06:06:07 pm
Also this is the second time in two days I've seen someone trying to make money by being a DM (Thank you grognards.txt), I'm sorry people but it's not gonna happen!
KingKalamari, February 05, 2014, 05:53:23 pm

My big issue is the choice of games she gives! All but one are just trite and terrible.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: count_actuala on February 05, 2014, 06:30:25 pm
God damn it, it's easier than ever to get started making stuff with next to nothing. Download Unity, learn the engine, make a thing. You can use royalty free shit, just familiarize yourself with making and finishing shit. Get used to distributing stuff for nothing or damn near to it. Acquaint yourself with the phrase 'make it do or do without' because it's not without a good deal of luck and privilege that some random nerd finishing their first game starts out with a high end computer.

More constructively (and less angrily): Fall in love with the process, because that's what will sustain you. I create for a living, and sometimes sales are amazing and I have several commitments and they're all going swimmingly and I make bank at the end of the month, but many months I'm making rent and meager food money. If I want to move into a different apartment, I'll probably be taking up a second job for a few months. I can deal with these things because the process of creating makes me happy. When you stop viewing the process as a route to reward, it becomes easier to work and easier to accept the meager rewards for your hard work. You have to be okay with working hard for the sake of having worked hard and made something, super-duper gaming rig or not.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: EYE OF ZA on February 05, 2014, 07:40:29 pm
People want to be able to work at something they're passionate about.  That's perfectly fine.  As someone working in a job I don't care about, I totally sympathize with wanting to make your passion your profession.

But you can't put 'I get paid for my passion' before 'I'm good at my passion'.  I've seen that all the time with interviews with people online.  "What's your advice for starting out?" is invariably "spend two or three or more years making things without expecting any return".  There's more than one reason for that, too--first, you have to become good at what you want to do.  No one's going to support someone who can't do something good yet.  Second, you have to want to do it for yourself.  If you don't really want to do it, if you don't really want to spend years at it before you get even slightly noticed, then you won't be able to stick with it.

You can't say, "I'll make my awesome game when I have all the free time in the world and I don't have to work."  If you're not willing to put in the effort in your free time when you're working, why do you think you'll suddenly have more willpower when you don't have to work?
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: nigeline on February 05, 2014, 08:30:48 pm
But you can't put 'I get paid for my passion' before 'I'm good at my passion'.  I've seen that all the time with interviews with people online.  "What's your advice for starting out?" is invariably "spend two or three or more years making things without expecting any return".  There's more than one reason for that, too--first, you have to become good at what you want to do.  No one's going to support someone who can't do something good yet.  Second, you have to want to do it for yourself.  If you don't really want to do it, if you don't really want to spend years at it before you get even slightly noticed, then you won't be able to stick with it.
EYE OF ZA, February 05, 2014, 07:40:29 pm
This, this, a thousand times this. In most any field, whether you want to make money from your work or not, you're going to have to work for some length of time before coming in to any sort of recognition. No matter if it's two months, two years, or twenty years, it's going to seem even more awful than it is if you begin with the expectation of immediate success. Work is just that, work. That doesn't mean you can't try and get some support, monetary or otherwise, from people while you're struggling through the muck. Just don't expect things to fall into your lap!
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Yossarian on February 05, 2014, 09:01:06 pm
I bet I got further in high school dicking around with my friends than she is right now, and I was using the worlds least stable pc.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Isfahan on February 05, 2014, 09:45:07 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/5TgjDLn.png)MicroMissles, February 05, 2014, 05:45:59 pm

"A g-g-g-girl? GMing a t-t-t-tabletop game? That's totally worth over seven thousand dollars!" *inhaler sounds*

And here's Montrith, GMing a game for free like a sucker. Haha, Montrith, you sucker.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: cyclopeantrash on February 05, 2014, 09:56:53 pm
I doubt it's as insidious as capitalizing on the Girl GM aspect. But hey, grognards be grognards.

My big issue personally is her choice of games. Really? Two Joss Whedon tabletop adaptations and a steampunk anime game? Have some dignity!
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: chai tea latte on February 06, 2014, 12:39:16 am
I doubt it's as insidious as capitalizing on the Girl GM aspect. But hey, grognards be grognards.

My big issue personally is her choice of games. Really? Two Joss Whedon tabletop adaptations and a steampunk anime game? Have some dignity!
MicroMissles, February 05, 2014, 09:56:53 pm

What about Terra Snover convinced you she had extant dignity to begin with?
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Cheapskate on February 06, 2014, 01:47:39 am
I don't normally endorse Onion articles as sources of advice, but Terra should probably read Find The Thing You're Most Passionate About, Then Do It On Nights And Weekends For The Rest Of Your Life. (http://www.theonion.com/articles/find-the-thing-youre-most-passionate-about-then-do,31742/)
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: montrith on February 06, 2014, 03:31:55 am
And here's Montrith, GMing a game for free like a sucker. Haha, Montrith, you sucker.

I'm making secret money by feeding you guys NWO propaganda.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: advancedclass on February 10, 2014, 03:03:37 pm
Some half-assed searching makes me fairly certain that Terra Snover is one and the same as Steele Midgear Snover, who, before the advent of Kickstarter, tried to get money via PayPal begging poorly drawn cash-grab fetish comics. The Bad Webcomics Wiki (http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Black_Jade) (which I usually find a mediocre source for train wrecks) has something on one of Snover's many failed attempts at making a webcomic. Because when you can't make money making a shitty low effort webcomic, it makes perfect sense to try and get money for making something that has a higher learning threshold after you've made a model of a stump.

Why is this something I remembered?
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Ansemaru on February 11, 2014, 10:24:39 am
Well, thank you for reminding me that I'm eternally frustrated by the uneven quality of the bad webcomics wiki. It deserves to be a better wiki than it is- mostly because I know that I'm too fucking lazy to actively seek out the worst of the worst webcomics.
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Post by: count_actuala on February 22, 2014, 08:46:59 pm
Some half-assed searching makes me fairly certain that Terra Snover is one and the same as Steele Midgear Snover, who, before the advent of Kickstarter, tried to get money via PayPal begging poorly drawn cash-grab fetish comics. The Bad Webcomics Wiki (http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Black_Jade) (which I usually find a mediocre source for train wrecks) has something on one of Snover's many failed attempts at making a webcomic. Because when you can't make money making a shitty low effort webcomic, it makes perfect sense to try and get money for making something that has a higher learning threshold after you've made a model of a stump.

Why is this something I remembered?
advancedclass, February 10, 2014, 03:03:37 pm
It can't be her, the art is way, way too good.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: nigeline on February 24, 2014, 02:42:31 am
Some half-assed searching makes me fairly certain that Terra Snover is one and the same as Steele Midgear Snover, who, before the advent of Kickstarter, tried to get money via PayPal begging poorly drawn cash-grab fetish comics. The Bad Webcomics Wiki (http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Black_Jade) (which I usually find a mediocre source for train wrecks) has something on one of Snover's many failed attempts at making a webcomic. Because when you can't make money making a shitty low effort webcomic, it makes perfect sense to try and get money for making something that has a higher learning threshold after you've made a model of a stump.

Why is this something I remembered?
advancedclass, February 10, 2014, 03:03:37 pm
It can't be her, the art is way, way too good.
THE TRUE JUICE, February 22, 2014, 08:46:59 pm
Maybe she had a stroke? Or hopefully was trying to pawn off someone else's art as her own.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on April 07, 2014, 06:56:18 am
Cavatina (http://overzealousstudios.com/games/cavatina/), you guys.

Lemon, which character is your favorite? It's Mia the Mystic Hipster, I bet! She sounds like your kinda gal.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: montrith on April 07, 2014, 07:16:48 am
I like the one that's the product of a brain that lacks creativity and watches too much anime.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: JT on April 07, 2014, 10:28:12 am
(http://i.imgur.com/OfsB1Gx.jpg?1?2247)

God damn this hurts to look at.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: chai tea latte on April 07, 2014, 12:37:20 pm
Cavatina (http://overzealousstudios.com/games/cavatina/), you guys.

Lemon, which character is your favorite? It's Mia the Mystic Hipster, I bet! She sounds like your kinda gal.
portaxx, April 07, 2014, 06:56:18 am

no, no, see, it 'mashes together' rhythm games and RPGs, much like your favourite mashups (I love how the video game soundtracks take the 'edge' off of those hardcore gangsta raps)! And the characters are inspired, ranging from 'homophobic male ballet dancer stereotype' to 'Terra Snover with a different name', as well as 'priest with drinking problem' (see, this one's never been done before so we're blazing new ground) and a gutter punk with immaculate eyeshadow who the game suggests should literally never interact with "law-abiding elements of society".

Also I tried to imagine what it would be like to play that combat system and gave up in disgust. sometimes innovation is a bad idea.

e: here's their studio head
(http://i.imgur.com/GSyRFfn.png)
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: STOG on April 07, 2014, 02:12:19 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/OfsB1Gx.jpg?1?2247)

God damn this hurts to look at.
JT, April 07, 2014, 10:28:12 am

Guitar Hero mashed with Final Fantasy sounds like it is going to be an irritating exercise in mashing all the buttons and hoping for the best, but I think I like the Purple Skanderman the most.

You guys, Slenderman joined a band, and he wants to just take a break from murdering people in the woods who are trying to collect pieces of paper. He hopes he can get to see Big Bad Voodoo Daddy one of these days, he thinks they're real killer.

Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Mister Smalls on April 07, 2014, 03:13:04 pm
This literally looks like something I would have draw up at thirteen years old.  With about the same levels of character design sense and social sensitivity.
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Post by: crow on April 07, 2014, 06:23:37 pm
Why did she rip off Tetrarhythm: Final Fantasy?
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: count_actuala on April 08, 2014, 09:27:31 am
Alvin the Ballerino: Despite his questionable taste in hobbies
Wow, rude.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Mister Smalls on April 09, 2014, 07:42:59 pm
He must be really good at it, though, since he's actually a ballerino and not just a "ballet dancer".  "Ballerino" and "ballerina" are titles that signify great accomplishment and talent in the field, you see.  I know this because I Googled it, whereas Terra Snover was clearly too concerned with random homophobia to do any research.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Lemon on September 13, 2014, 11:01:47 am
Overzealous Studios is offline.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: nigeline on September 14, 2014, 02:21:02 am
Overzealous Studios is offline.
Lemon, September 13, 2014, 11:01:47 am
Oh no! I was just thinking about her last night before I fell asleep. (I don't want to think about whether that's a good or bad thing to admit)
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Lemon on March 18, 2015, 09:56:21 am
New Portfolio! (http://terrasnover.com/)

Guys she's really talented at 3D design, those buildings are super realistic. I mean, unless she's passing off the text on a photo as 3D design, but no way would anyone do that.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: LINDA on March 18, 2015, 10:08:24 am
New Portfolio! (http://terrasnover.com/)

Guys she's really talented at 3D design, those buildings are super realistic. I mean, unless she's passing off the text on a photo as 3D design, but no way would anyone do that.
Lemon, March 18, 2015, 09:56:21 am

I hope she applies at my company someday, and I hope the hiring department rightly forwards her site to every art team for a nice laugh.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Knitting Machine on March 18, 2015, 10:46:19 am
New Portfolio! (http://terrasnover.com/)

Guys she's really talented at 3D design, those buildings are super realistic. I mean, unless she's passing off the text on a photo as 3D design, but no way would anyone do that.
Lemon, March 18, 2015, 09:56:21 am

Thank God, she put the tree stump in her professional portfolio!
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on March 18, 2015, 11:02:06 am
(http://terrasnover.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2014-12-15-Five-Seven-Five.png)

Japanese people find it super adorable when the first thing you say to them is "OMG UR A JAPANESE THIS IS A JAPANESE THING HEY DO YOU AND THIS HAIKU KNOW EACH OTHER??" Though Terra, they might not pick up on your worldly, nuanced understanding of their culture at first. Next time you might want to further promote solidarity by pulling at the sides of your eyelids and shouting your favorite Japanese dishes. I hear they love that just as much as they love being ogled by gross weeaboos, and clearly they love being ogled by gross weeaboos very much!
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Post by: Boots Raingear on March 18, 2015, 11:02:22 am
Here's her family crest.
(http://i.imgur.com/8e9WPkX.jpg)

The Snovers, for centuries, have been represented by a tentacle-faced hare stuck in shit.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Lemon on March 18, 2015, 11:12:28 am
(http://terrasnover.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2014-12-15-Five-Seven-Five.png)
portaxx, March 18, 2015, 11:02:06 am
Yukiko, being Japanese, is easily wooed by the use of haiku, but she is not Japanese enough to know what the definition of haiku is.
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Post by: moooo566 (taylor's version) on March 18, 2015, 03:24:47 pm
She's willing to let it slide and just appreciate the effort.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Mister Smalls on March 18, 2015, 04:01:21 pm
How relevant is haiku to the average modern Japanese person?

Probably very little.
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Post by: Isfahan on March 18, 2015, 04:26:10 pm
I don't know if that's fair. I mean, if a non-English speaker hits on me with iambic pentameter, I'm jumping their bones. That's just normal.
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Post by: Caroline on March 18, 2015, 04:48:17 pm
How relevant is haiku to the average modern Japanese person?

Probably very little.
Mister Smalls, March 18, 2015, 04:01:21 pm

Actually, when I was living there, it seemed like writing poetry (including in traditional forms like haiku) was a lot more common for ordinary people than it is in the West. Not that I conducted a survey, or anything.
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Post by: Cat Planet on March 18, 2015, 04:56:37 pm
"Yeah, this will totally woo any game studio that sees this"

(http://i.imgur.com/53F5o6G.jpg)
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Post by: moooo566 (taylor's version) on March 18, 2015, 04:57:30 pm
Is that some kind of bizarro jrpg rhythm game?
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Post by: count_actuala on March 18, 2015, 05:04:24 pm
I draw better freehand lines than that and I'm working with a wrist that was broken and never treated.
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Post by: Mister Smalls on March 18, 2015, 05:31:19 pm
I think we actually posted about that picture earlier in this thread.  It was on an earlier version of her site that got taken down.
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Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on March 18, 2015, 05:35:58 pm
There's already a weird RPG music game out there. It's called Sequence and while I have it, I haven't tried it yet. A lot of people said it was pretty good though. My point is, she clearly saw Sequence, figure "eh, this is okay, but it's not starring my Mary Sue..."

I swear, she and Imari need to hook up. Their wedding vows would be excerpts from their Totally Awesome Best Game Ever pitch bibles.
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Post by: Isfahan on March 18, 2015, 06:39:43 pm
Those would be the most delusionally self-entitled babies ever.
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Post by: Fatty Bo Batty on March 18, 2015, 08:22:15 pm
Sequence is really... not good.

Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Victor Laszlo on March 18, 2015, 09:00:17 pm
New Portfolio! (http://terrasnover.com/)

Guys she's really talented at 3D design, those buildings are super realistic. I mean, unless she's passing off the text on a photo as 3D design, but no way would anyone do that.
Lemon, March 18, 2015, 09:56:21 am
I think it's ballsy passing off a screencap from SimCity 2000 as your own work.
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Post by: Nikaer Drekin on March 18, 2015, 09:59:16 pm
"Yeah, this will totally woo any game studio that sees this"

(http://i.imgur.com/53F5o6G.jpg)
Cat Planet, March 18, 2015, 04:56:37 pm

Wow, fighting Off-Brand Jack Skellington sure seems like a thrill!
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Post by: McMillan and Waifu on March 18, 2015, 10:07:53 pm
"Yeah, this will totally woo any game studio that sees this"

(http://i.imgur.com/53F5o6G.jpg)
Cat Planet, March 18, 2015, 04:56:37 pm

Wow, fighting Off-Brand Jack Skellington sure seems like a thrill!
Nikaer Drekin, March 18, 2015, 09:59:16 pm

Alternatively, adding Slenderman to the next Saints Row seems like a weird choice

e: welp i'm great at reading the thread (http://ballp.it/index.php?topic=1002.msg27551#msg27551)
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Cat Planet on March 19, 2015, 06:37:40 am
New Portfolio! (http://terrasnover.com/)

Guys she's really talented at 3D design, those buildings are super realistic. I mean, unless she's passing off the text on a photo as 3D design, but no way would anyone do that.
Lemon, March 18, 2015, 09:56:21 am
I think it's ballsy passing off a screencap from SimCity 2000 as your own work.
Victor Laszlo, March 18, 2015, 09:00:17 pm

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Post by: Old_Zircon on April 03, 2015, 09:08:06 pm

e: here's their studio head
(http://i.imgur.com/GSyRFfn.png)
chai tea latte, April 07, 2014, 12:37:20 pm

Why the fuck would anyone in their right mind think that designing shitty games was a step up from being a FUNHOUSE BUILDER AND PYROTECHNICIAN?

I've known my share of industry people over the years.  I was in a musical group with the head developer of Harmonix throughout the production cycle of the first Guitar Hero.  The last couple months the team was living on couches and floors in the office, at one point he was there for an entire month.  Near the end he literally looked like he had leukemia.  I would not wish game development on anyone.  At least building funhouses is physical (but probably not the kind of punishing labor that real construction workers have to do).  It takes a special kind of masochism to thrive in game development from what I've seen, probably similar to what it took to thrive as a tweener at Disney in the 1940s. There is no way any of the people involved in these projects knows the first thing about it.  They're the sort of folks who keep Full Sail in business.


I don't know what it is about this guy, but he really burns my biscuits.


EDIT: the quality of art on this thing is a few steps below Timeslaughter, with the worst brand of theater club Tim Burton fan wank spewed all over it.
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Post by: Old_Zircon on April 03, 2015, 09:26:29 pm
Lemon, I will paypal you $9.99 right now if it will lead to this becoming an episode or at least an extra. (http://www.lulu.com/shop/robin-snover/more-monologues-that-land-roles/paperback/product-20919686.html)

More Monologues that Land Roles
By Robin Snover
Paperback, 83 Pages

Powerful monologues are an essential tool for the professional actor. You need short, impacting pieces that leave your auditor wanting more. More Monologues that Land Roles will give you seventy-five monologues that fit the bill. Included in this volume, is a medley of dramatic and comic pieces that can pack a powerful punch! Whether you are five, fifteen, thirty-five or seventy-five, it’s an amazing experience to be able to go into an audition and lay out a performance that will blow them away!
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Old_Zircon on April 03, 2015, 09:41:28 pm
(http://terrasnover.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2014-12-15-Five-Seven-Five.png)
portaxx, March 18, 2015, 11:02:06 am
Yukiko, being Japanese, is easily wooed by the use of haiku, but she is not Japanese enough to know what the definition of haiku is.
Lemon, March 18, 2015, 11:12:28 am

Fuck I need to never open this thread again.  Fuck.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Fanzay on April 06, 2015, 11:07:15 am

e: here's their studio head
(http://i.imgur.com/GSyRFfn.png)
chai tea latte, April 07, 2014, 12:37:20 pm

I don't know what it is about this guy, but he really burns my biscuits.

Old_Zircon, April 03, 2015, 09:08:06 pm

It could be the Firefly hat? Always the sign of an asshat.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: LINDA on April 06, 2015, 01:00:05 pm
They're the sort of folks who keep Full Sail in business.
Old_Zircon, April 03, 2015, 09:08:06 pm

I can't even laugh for how true this is.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Old_Zircon on April 11, 2015, 06:25:00 pm
They're the sort of folks who keep Full Sail in business.
Old_Zircon, April 03, 2015, 09:08:06 pm

I can't even laugh for how true this is.
eudo, April 06, 2015, 01:00:05 pm

5 or 6 years ago a friend of my roommate was talking credulously about how a friend of his had just moved to Florida to start his degree in music production at Full Sail and it was so hard not to say anything.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Tiny Prancer on April 12, 2015, 06:26:02 pm
what will forever be cemented in my mind about Full Sail is when a then-friend of mine visited them right when they were starting out and had brought her portfolio, since, you know, that's what you DO when you apply to an art college, and they were AMAZED and THRILLED that she had brought a portfolio.

(my ex also went there and I went to florida last fall to visit him as I was then-dating him and he showed me around the campus and I noted with a certain unease that the art they had displayed around the main building looked like it had been largely been done by first-semester freshmen)
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Ashto on April 15, 2016, 03:53:55 pm
Break time! Let me just go through my webcomic feed. How about some Two Guys and Guy?
(http://www.twogag.com/comics/2016-04-15-twogag_guest_Terra_Snover.jpg)

Oh, guess the artist is taking a break. The joke was funny, but there's something oddly familiar about this crappy artwork quality...
Today’s comic is a guest strip made by Terra Snover of Mock Girl.
Ah, good old Terra Snover, you haven't changed a bit. And you do web comics now? What do those look like?
(http://mockgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/2016-04-08-Robo-Oger.png)
Terrific.

Bonus: I honestly forgot why I knew her name for a bit, so I had to google it to remind myself. These are the order in which I got the results:
(In retrospect, I should have posted to this thread after blatantly being made aware of it's existence).
(http://i.imgur.com/JcIcgKR.png)
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Boots Raingear on April 15, 2016, 04:21:23 pm
If there's one thing I know about women, it's that their elbows bend in a different direction from each other.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Vinny Possum on April 15, 2016, 04:27:11 pm
Break time! Let me just go through my webcomic feed. How about some Two Guys and Guy?
(http://www.twogag.com/comics/2016-04-15-twogag_guest_Terra_Snover.jpg)

Ashto, April 15, 2016, 03:53:55 pm

The fuck is happening to his hand in the middle panel. Why are are their necks doing that. Help. I can't draw for crap and I still feel like I could do better than this. Let me link you to my patreon. Time to quit my shitty job.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: STOG on April 15, 2016, 05:15:59 pm
Break time! Let me just go through my webcomic feed. How about some Two Guys and Guy?
(http://www.twogag.com/comics/2016-04-15-twogag_guest_Terra_Snover.jpg)
Ashto, April 15, 2016, 03:53:55 pm

haven't heard of this before, but i already know i can probably draw a cartoon better than that

come on, terra, you draw a guy eating an exploding candy and you don't show us the explosion effect? you don't have to do it like saw, you know. comedy webcomics shouldn't be like saw.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: SatanInAZootSuit on April 15, 2016, 06:08:31 pm
SO something I learned from this thread: If I go to full sail, I will probably hate myself even more than when I went to SCAD, and I will probably also hate everyone I have classes with. It'll be all Terra Snovers all the time.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Ashto on April 15, 2016, 06:20:46 pm
Break time! Let me just go through my webcomic feed. How about some Two Guys and Guy?
(http://www.twogag.com/comics/2016-04-15-twogag_guest_Terra_Snover.jpg)
Ashto, April 15, 2016, 03:53:55 pm

haven't heard of this before, but i already know i can probably draw a cartoon better than that

come on, terra, you draw a guy eating an exploding candy and you don't show us the explosion effect? you don't have to do it like saw, you know. comedy webcomics shouldn't be like saw.
STOG, April 15, 2016, 05:15:59 pm

To be fair, by not drawing the explosion, it leaves it up to the reader's interpretation, which leaves a stronger impact.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: STOG on April 15, 2016, 06:29:30 pm
Break time! Let me just go through my webcomic feed. How about some Two Guys and Guy?
(http://www.twogag.com/comics/2016-04-15-twogag_guest_Terra_Snover.jpg)
Ashto, April 15, 2016, 03:53:55 pm

haven't heard of this before, but i already know i can probably draw a cartoon better than that

come on, terra, you draw a guy eating an exploding candy and you don't show us the explosion effect? you don't have to do it like saw, you know. comedy webcomics shouldn't be like saw.
STOG, April 15, 2016, 05:15:59 pm

To be fair, by not drawing the explosion, it leaves it up to the reader's interpretation, which leaves a stronger impact.
Ashto, April 15, 2016, 06:20:46 pm

it's all over the place, man. the guy in the first panel already looks like he's done this to several people already, given his there's something about mary style hairdo.

also there's no setup for the explosion. no warning that if he eats too much his head will explode. it's just, 'hey, want some candy?' and he's all 'sure, this looks like a good candy to try, let me just get five candy death kernels and POP'

it is like a saw movie, except everyone's a bunch of turbo idiots

"hello zepp. oh shit, did I leave the oven on? oh fuck, i need to put this out. oh shit, my entire murder dungeon is on fire!!!!!"
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Isfahan on April 15, 2016, 08:53:25 pm
She still can't draw hands at all, I see.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: eldritchhat on April 16, 2016, 01:20:05 am
She still can't draw hands at all, I see.
Isfahan, April 15, 2016, 08:53:25 pm
What are you talking about Isfahan? Obviously that very talented man is bouncing pop rocks off the back of his grotesque, double-jointed hand.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Amelia Blank on December 28, 2016, 04:00:43 pm
SHE WENT TO ART SCHOOL?? look I'm not great, but you'd think going to art school she would improve just purely based on how much you HAVE to draw to make it through??I dunno. Argh. ><
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: KingKalamari on December 28, 2016, 05:04:38 pm
SHE WENT TO ART SCHOOL?? look I'm not great, but you'd think going to art school she would improve just purely based on how much you HAVE to draw to make it through??I dunno. Argh. ><
Amelia Blank, December 28, 2016, 04:00:43 pm

I can say from experience that, depending on the school you go to and the programs you take, you can get an art degree without being all that good.

I think Terra's cartoon work is sort of telling to her philosophy as an artist. Like, it's usually very easy to tell someone who draws in a less than realistic style because they want to explore things like expression or exaggeration versus someone who draws in a cartoony style because they think it's easier than drawing realistically. Ms. Snover very handily falls into the latter category: Her cartoons are very similar to her more realistic attempts at art, just with less detail to them. Like, if you look at her portfolio there are a lot of cut corners in her work.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Amelia Blank on December 28, 2016, 09:24:55 pm
SHE WENT TO ART SCHOOL?? look I'm not great, but you'd think going to art school she would improve just purely based on how much you HAVE to draw to make it through??I dunno. Argh. ><
Amelia Blank, December 28, 2016, 04:00:43 pm

I can say from experience that, depending on the school you go to and the programs you take, you can get an art degree without being all that good.

I think Terra's cartoon work is sort of telling to her philosophy as an artist. Like, it's usually very easy to tell someone who draws in a less than realistic style because they want to explore things like expression or exaggeration versus someone who draws in a cartoony style because they think it's easier than drawing realistically. Ms. Snover very handily falls into the latter category: Her cartoons are very similar to her more realistic attempts at art, just with less detail to them. Like, if you look at her portfolio there are a lot of cut corners in her work.
KingKalamari, December 28, 2016, 05:04:38 pm

I suppose that's true. I mean I have no real training and have learned cutting corners because techinique is my weak point so I'm not much better?I dunno. Its super frustrating. At least I'm better than her????
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: KingKalamari on December 28, 2016, 10:40:17 pm
SHE WENT TO ART SCHOOL?? look I'm not great, but you'd think going to art school she would improve just purely based on how much you HAVE to draw to make it through??I dunno. Argh. ><
Amelia Blank, December 28, 2016, 04:00:43 pm

I can say from experience that, depending on the school you go to and the programs you take, you can get an art degree without being all that good.

I think Terra's cartoon work is sort of telling to her philosophy as an artist. Like, it's usually very easy to tell someone who draws in a less than realistic style because they want to explore things like expression or exaggeration versus someone who draws in a cartoony style because they think it's easier than drawing realistically. Ms. Snover very handily falls into the latter category: Her cartoons are very similar to her more realistic attempts at art, just with less detail to them. Like, if you look at her portfolio there are a lot of cut corners in her work.
KingKalamari, December 28, 2016, 05:04:38 pm

I suppose that's true. I mean I have no real training and have learned cutting corners because techinique is my weak point so I'm not much better?I dunno. Its super frustrating. At least I'm better than her????
Amelia Blank, December 28, 2016, 09:24:55 pm

I wouldn't worry too much abut it: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being self-taught or doing stylized drawings or anything like that. Working within  a non-realiztic style is a perfectly valid choice when it comes to art, it's just that you have to remember that it has certain principles you need to understand in order to produce something that looks good. Terra...Doesn't seem to understand this.

Pretty much all of her cartoon drawings (And most of her drawings in general) show a lack of understanding of some of the basic principles of cartooning and as a result end up looking really bland and unappealing as a result. Things like line of action, expression and how she chooses to simplify anatomy are all done with little regard to how they fit into the final product. Not to mention that there are a lot of times where she uses Photoshop effects to try and replicate lighting without an understanding as to how lighting works. It all seems to be done in a really slap-dash manner.

Which sort of brings me to my main thesis about Terra's work as a whole and how it relates back to her adventures on Kickstarter: It's a consistent case of wanting the recognition of being an artist without putting the actual work into it. She expects the reward before she puts in the actual effort which is not how things work.

I've been taking some classes taught by a working comics creator and during the first lesson of each of his courses he's always imparted the same thing onto everyone in the course: Talent is bullshit. Art is a skill that you develop and work on and that anyone can be a great artist if they're willing to put the work in and make a conscious effort to improve themselves. And what I get from Terra Snover is that she does not want to develop as an artist, she wants people to pay her for her stuff now and maybe that will motivate her into doing the work later.

To your concerns about your own work: I've seen your stuff in the sketch thread and I honestly wouldn't worry about falling into the trap of Terra Snover: So long as you're putting the effort into the work you do, regardless of how stylized it is or who your teacher is, and are making a conscious effort to improve and grow as an artist you're doing a lot more than Terra Snover.

I just want to conclude this by saying that I do not want to make it seem like I consider myself god-king super artist supreme or anything: I just make silly comics for fun in my spare time with aspirations to maybe be able to do something professionally some day if I keep working at it. But I think that's sort of what irritates me so much about Terra and people like her: We're doing kind of the same thing but she has delusions that she is owed money for having a hobby.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Amelia Blank on December 29, 2016, 02:53:29 am
Thanks KingKalimari. <3 I guess I've been having self esteem issues, especially about my art and seeing like bad web comic shit triggered some pure frustration. ><

And I think your thesis about Tera is totally right! She wants instant reward for like no effort. Its like in everything she does.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: nuffkins, of all people, on August 20, 2017, 05:10:17 pm
I co-run a twitter called roll20.txt (https://twitter.com/roll20txt). (Well, I've barely touched it in a year) A friend of mine recently dug up this gem of a game (https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/74444/kingdom-hearts-0-dot-75-shrouded-sky-syndrome-final-mix). The players include one Terra S., who links her personal site.

That, folks, is how I learned Terra Snover is running for congress. (https://terrasnover.com/)
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Fatty Bo Batty on August 20, 2017, 05:20:39 pm
Her platform reads like a high school essay.

Generally speaking, there are three categories that encompass the immigration issue: jobs, taxes, resources, and security.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Shell Game on August 20, 2017, 05:31:25 pm
I co-run a twitter called roll20.txt (https://twitter.com/roll20txt). (Well, I've barely touched it in a year) A friend of mine recently dug up this gem of a game (https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/74444/kingdom-hearts-0-dot-75-shrouded-sky-syndrome-final-mix). The players include one Terra S., who links her personal site.

That, folks, is how I learned Terra Snover is running for congress. (https://terrasnover.com/)
nuffkins, of all people,, August 20, 2017, 05:10:17 pm

Wait that's her actual name?! All this time I thought she was just an awful Pokemon fan!
(https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/d/d2/459Snover.png/250px-459Snover.png)
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: GirlKisser420 on August 20, 2017, 07:25:44 pm

I co-run a twitter called roll20.txt (https://twitter.com/roll20txt). (Well, I've barely touched it in a year) A friend of mine recently dug up this gem of a game (https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/74444/kingdom-hearts-0-dot-75-shrouded-sky-syndrome-final-mix). The players include one Terra S., who links her personal site.

That, folks, is how I learned Terra Snover is running for congress. (https://terrasnover.com/)
nuffkins, of all people,, August 20, 2017, 05:10:17 pm

Her policies seem pretty good, although there is definitely something I'm missing from the story.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Sherman Tank on August 20, 2017, 09:43:36 pm

I co-run a twitter called roll20.txt (https://twitter.com/roll20txt). (Well, I've barely touched it in a year) A friend of mine recently dug up this gem of a game (https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/74444/kingdom-hearts-0-dot-75-shrouded-sky-syndrome-final-mix). The players include one Terra S., who links her personal site.

That, folks, is how I learned Terra Snover is running for congress. (https://terrasnover.com/)
nuffkins, of all people,, August 20, 2017, 05:10:17 pm

Her policies seem pretty good, although there is definitely something I'm missing from the story.
GirlKisser420, August 20, 2017, 07:25:44 pm

Is it that based on everything we've seen of her she's utterly unqualified to hold office?
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: GirlKisser420 on August 20, 2017, 10:34:05 pm
When's that stopped anybody?
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Sherman Tank on August 20, 2017, 11:01:35 pm
When's that stopped anybody?
GirlKisser420, August 20, 2017, 10:34:05 pm

It hasn't, but maybe it should.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: SHAMBA~1.SBB on October 30, 2017, 03:34:32 am
Lemon's open letter is still pretty close to the top of Google's results for "terra snover" (with or without quotes).  I wonder where this is going to go.
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Wrought on October 30, 2017, 07:29:46 am
"First, kickstarter, then California, then THE WORLD!"
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Ashto on July 26, 2018, 08:31:31 pm
2018
Snover sought election to the U.S. House to represent the 10th Congressional District of California. She dropped out of the race prior to the candidate filing deadline.ballotpedia
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Wrought on July 27, 2018, 08:46:46 am
"I can't wait to run for congress! This'll be aweso-oh shit I gotta do all this paperwork? Uh, nevermind"
Title: An Open Letter To Terra Snover
Post by: Lemon on July 29, 2018, 10:40:56 pm
She did the important part: She asked for donations.