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Episode 42: Suffer The Little Children

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Runic:
Yes, I know this episode is a year and a half old.  I'm going to talk about it anyway, because listening to it again something has occurred to me.  I think I can articulate one of the reasons these people piss me off so much.  They aren't actually pro-choice.

The people featured in this episode made a lot of noise about how pro-choice they are, and how pro-lifers should be harvested for their organs and thrown into the sun or whatever.  But they also fantasized about mandatory sterilization for people who don't pass some arbitrary IQ test.  The think is, that means that they aren't actually pro-choice.  They're pro-abortion, but not pro-choice.  Pro-choice means that you believe everyone should be able to choose whether to have children or not.  It's not just about abortion, it's also about letting people have children if they want to.  Forced sterilization is just as anti-choice as banning abortion.  They are two sides of the same coin.

Also, we used to forcefully sterilize people deemed mentally unfit, and it was a horrible racist mess.  As recently as the 1970's some states were sterilizing the mentally ill, and it is still technically considered constitutionally permissible to do so (Buck v Bell).  So fuck these ignorant eugenicists, is what I'm saying.  They are the very thing they claim to hate the most.

Keetah Spacecat:
The Child-free movement is full of shit. I actually joined the Childfree Livejournal community a couple years ago. Because at that time, nobody seemed to quite understand that I don't want to give birth to my own child because it could kill me. So I thought oh, there must be other people out there that are sensible in that they'd understand that while children are great, sometimes you'd just rather adopt/not have kids.

I was very wrong. Instead I found the most hateful community that legit hated children from the depths of their hearts. Of course they'd be pro-abortion, because then you can get rid of the icky children before they are born! But if you choose to keep the baby and raise it, then you are just a MOO or a DUH. So I agree that in no ways are they Pro-choice, because then they'd have to understand that it's okay that people would want to have and raise children.

I know there was one incident in that community that pissed me off. Someone started a thread that they should remove 'Watch for Children' and 'Deaf Child Area' because then 'Darwin could take it's course'. And they didn't know that I MYSELF had Deaf Child Area signs around my house cause I'm PARTIALLY DEAF MYSELF. SO in their logic I should have died and never have grown up.

Because Obviously they were never children themselves!

Isfahan:
Well, duh, in Sparta they threw out the defective babies (I totally learned that from, like, the 300 movie) and look how awesome their society was!

One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes:
That's actually quite astute of you, and I agree wholeheartedly. As one of the people who put together the cf_hardcore episode, I can safely say there are several incredibly broken things about the community.

1.) They don't have any compassion, and their lack of sympathy is even more atrocious than that of most anti-abortion politicians. Oh sure, those rich white guys in charge also believe the cf_hardcore idea of "fuck poor people; they can sort out their babyin' themselves," but even the biggest pro-life Rape-Pregnancy-Is-Just-God-Sneezing-On-You-With-His-Holy-Boogers douchebag understands that sometimes parents need to use strollers to get their kid around. Kumquatxop helped make the episode and he was digging up stupid posts by the minute. cf_hardcore dickheads get bent out of shape because children sometimes ride their bikes past their windows, parents sometimes bring their kids on plane flights, parents use strollers, and parents sometimes have to change their babies when away from home. Hell, they even hate grandparents TALKING about their grandchildren in public. Seriously, those are all real examples. It's the perfect example of one person outside of a given situation telling a person who IS in that situation "oh hurr hurr, it can't be THAT hard! ;)" Yet if someone were to tell Crisco Twister that she could drop all that weight within a week because HURR IT'S NOT THAT HARD GOD WOMAN, I'm sure they'd have condemned that smug condescending bullshit on the spot. And even when it IS a rich white family walking around with kids, they will STILL post about how pitiful and stupid those lousy breeders are. I even mention in the episode that their logic is "only smart people should have kids, but if you were truly smart like me, you wouldn't have them at all ;) ;) ;)". It's flat-out sociopathic to have not one shred of sympathy for someone who made a slightly different life choice than you.

2.) They're very deluded about their own childhood, and don't understand that their parents likely took any advantage they had. Or you know, they know and just don't fucking care. Seriously dipshits, your parents probably took YOU to the movies at a certain time of day, or they took you on a trip at a certain time, or took you to the zoo or a restaurant or fucking ANYWHERE that adults were also visiting. And you know what? It wasn't the end of the world for everyone else. But of course since THEY got to experience those things, their brains have locked into "fuck y'all, got mine" mode and now no children should be allowed outside ever. They swear that "oh it was okay for meeee because I was a perfect angel and I was VERY MATURE FOR MY AGE and blblblblblbl" No, no you weren't. I can tell because your whole community is built around throwing tantrums just because you didn't completely get your way. Either you're maturing backwards, or you thank God every day that there was no internet when you were a kid, since nobody could record all the shitfits you undoubtedly had.

3.) They think everyone who disagrees with them is really saying "you need to love all kids and have a lot of babies!!!" That's not me being goofy. They literally think that. Something that was linked to in the episode page was a piece cut from the final episode. In it, Victor read a post by someone who is childfree, but asks the community to re-think its behavior. The OP articulates her points very nicely; she says that while she chooses to not have kids, she knows that someone has to, and that there is no point in immature namecalling and whining. The response? "OMG BREEDER LOVER BREEDER LOVER!!!! LOOK I KNOW YOU WANT ME TO HAVE A MILLION KIDS AND LOVE ALL CHILDREN UNCONDITIONALLY BUT I WON'T DO WHAT YOU SAY!!!" This is their response to any criticism ever. "You know you were kids once, right?" "OMGGG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU JUST BINGO'D ME AND TOLD ME I HAD TO LOVE ALL KIDS AIHD)_(s9jsfihf" That was even their response to the episode itself. Oh, we read their lunatic posts about how TV is constantly showing childbirth or what the fuck ever? OH GOD BREEDERS WANTING US TO MAKE BABIES UURRRGGGHHHXXLLLLLEEEEE!!! At no point did we make fun of them for simply not having kids. Fucking hell, I put the episode together and I don't have any kids. But yes of course, clearly the episode's message was "you either have babies or you should be shot."

All in all they're a lovely group of people and I'm sure none of them will die early of 50 aneurysms.

Also seriously cf_hardcore, J.K. Rowling wrote Harry Potter for KIDS. Not for you. Dumbasses.

Runic:


3.) They think everyone who disagrees with them is really saying "you need to love all kids and have a lot of babies!!!" That's not me being goofy. They literally think that.
portaxx, February 06, 2013, 06:38:23 pm
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Yeah, as I recall they actually briefly flooded the comments for that episode with bullshit along those lines.  There is a difference between not wanting to have kids and hating all children and thinking they should die in a fire.  One of those things is a perfectly reasonable life choice, the other is pretty horrible.

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