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Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Lemon on July 08, 2016, 01:28:14 pm
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Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Lemon on July 08, 2016, 01:31:16 pm
Just to share it here, at the last minute I asked Jimmyfranks to edit out a bit at the end where I said that GaiaOnline showed up on have i been pwned? (https://haveibeenpwned.com/). It seems that, somehow this site hasn't had its database leaked and put on pastebin. I'm not sure how that's possible, but congratulations to the team.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: xX_sp00ks_Xx on July 08, 2016, 02:05:18 pm
God, I can't tell you how long I've been waiting for another teen idiocy episode. Does that make me a mean bully?

fake edit: I just thought about it and yeah, I totally just want to laugh at dumb teens and have no scruples about it.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Muffinator on July 08, 2016, 02:06:54 pm
Oh my god, I remember Gaia being launched when I was in middle school. I can't believe it's still around, and it's exactly the same.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Sherman Tank on July 08, 2016, 02:41:14 pm
JIMMYFRANKS!
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: A Meat on July 08, 2016, 02:49:19 pm
Hetty Green, fashionable capitalist

edit: are there Gaia Online marriages? that would explain the ex-wife/fiancee shit without it being depressing
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: STOG on July 08, 2016, 03:33:23 pm
#brundleflymachine4teenz
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Sherman Tank on July 08, 2016, 03:47:09 pm
Here's my traditional Tag Suggestions!

"displeased girlfriends", "paranoia", "drama queens", "the internet isn't helping", "racism"
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Bodark on July 08, 2016, 04:52:20 pm
Hetty Green, fashionable capitalist

edit: are there Gaia Online marriages? that would explain the ex-wife/fiancee shit without it being depressing
A Meat, July 08, 2016, 02:49:19 pm

Yes, there are Gaia marriages.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: A Meat on July 08, 2016, 04:54:11 pm
Hetty Green, fashionable capitalist

edit: are there Gaia Online marriages? that would explain the ex-wife/fiancee shit without it being depressing
A Meat, July 08, 2016, 02:49:19 pm

Yes, there are Gaia marriages.
Bodark, July 08, 2016, 04:52:20 pm
Phew, crisis avoided, no adults on Gaia after all
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Neal on July 08, 2016, 05:15:38 pm
Hetty Green, fashionable capitalist

edit: are there Gaia Online marriages? that would explain the ex-wife/fiancee shit without it being depressing
A Meat, July 08, 2016, 02:49:19 pm

Yes, there are Gaia marriages.
Bodark, July 08, 2016, 04:52:20 pm
Phew, crisis avoided, no adults on Gaia after all
A Meat, July 08, 2016, 04:54:11 pm

That doesn't necessarily follow.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Sherman Tank on July 08, 2016, 06:22:50 pm
Hetty Green, fashionable capitalist

edit: are there Gaia Online marriages? that would explain the ex-wife/fiancee shit without it being depressing
A Meat, July 08, 2016, 02:49:19 pm

Yes, there are Gaia marriages.
Bodark, July 08, 2016, 04:52:20 pm
Phew, crisis avoided, no adults on Gaia after all
A Meat, July 08, 2016, 04:54:11 pm

If only. Like Nutshell said, there's lots of people on there who've been posting for years and years and years. That guy from the beginning of episode ranting about the furry-transsexual slip-n-slide? He registered his account in 2004.

It's comforting to say these are all dumb teenagers posting on Gaia, but that's not really true.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Ambious on July 08, 2016, 06:35:09 pm
For the first time ever I'm glad I don't understand kids

Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: nuffkins, of all people, on July 08, 2016, 06:41:04 pm
Phew, crisis avoided, no adults on Gaia after all
A Meat, July 08, 2016, 04:54:11 pm

If only. Like Nutshell said, there's lots of people on there who've been posting for years and years and years. That guy from the beginning of episode ranting about the furry-transsexual slip-n-slide? He registered his account in 2004.
ALL INVISIBLE SHERMAN TANK LEAGUE, July 08, 2016, 06:22:50 pm

This episode should be tagged "teenagers?".
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: EYE OF ZA on July 08, 2016, 06:45:06 pm
Who else had a GaiaOnline account?  I got one at the point in my life when I was also big into Neopets, at the request of one of my more anime-nerd friends, right around middle school.

I too am surprised it still exists, but then there are still people eager for Kingdom Hearts 3, so,
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Sherman Tank on July 08, 2016, 06:58:37 pm
Back when Something Awful was one of the biggest forums on the internet, Lowtax was invited to speak at a university (this is a thing that really happened) and mentioned Gaia briefly as one of the other big webforums at the time and basically described it as a sort of anime teenage roleplaying thing.

That was in 2005 and I had no idea it still existed until I saw the doc for this episode in the hopper.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Sovereign on July 09, 2016, 02:20:29 am
I never truly sunk my teeth into Gaia, but I did have a few friends who were into it years ago and I liked collecting new items for a time. I had already spent a lot of time on Neopets with Petpet pages, so of course I was going to make my Gaia profile horrible to look at. I think I've since revised it, trimmed the fat and deleted some comments, but it's still not great. I used a Pokemon wallpaper  (http://i.imgur.com/ws9BNUB.png)because of its simplicity, despite the fact that I haven't really liked Pokemon since Diamond.. I would certainly revise or entirely delete those lists of likes and dislikes, but I'm keeping them up there as an odd and public time capsule for my past self.

I remember even back in 2009 and 2010 that the boards were filled with, well, insanity. Thread after thread of teens attempting to find their edge, college-aged users sparking flame wars over polygamy and furry lifestyles and roleplay boards that were basically impossible to ease into unless you were already part of some clique.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: izzy on July 09, 2016, 03:01:15 am
Thanks to this episode, I have discovered that the ":|" emoticon on frankwest.xyz is the funniest goddamn thing in the world.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Ragnarok Boobies on July 09, 2016, 03:27:20 am
Phew, crisis avoided, no adults on Gaia after all
A Meat, July 08, 2016, 04:54:11 pm

If only. Like Nutshell said, there's lots of people on there who've been posting for years and years and years. That guy from the beginning of episode ranting about the furry-transsexual slip-n-slide? He registered his account in 2004.
ALL INVISIBLE SHERMAN TANK LEAGUE, July 08, 2016, 06:22:50 pm

This episode should be tagged "teenagers?".
nuffkins, July 08, 2016, 06:41:04 pm
Maybe that movie Baby Geniuses was based on real life events?
"You think that Gaia Online is your ally? You merely adopted the Gaia. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a troll."
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Amelia Blank on July 09, 2016, 04:15:38 am
I'll say I had a gaia online account as a teen....later in my teens than I'd care to admit to be honest....And it was sorta in my prime neo con libertarian bullshit phase where I was teetering on MRA status. >< Thank fucking christ for college and finding out that I was trans to stop that fucking train dead in its tracks. ><
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Gyro on July 09, 2016, 01:11:39 pm
I expected a lot of things out of this episode, but disgusting far-right-wing bigotry was not one of them.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Agent (gobble, gobble) Coop on July 09, 2016, 02:18:40 pm
GOGOL BORDELLO

E: also, holy jeez does that Nutshell Prince reading sound like an alt-right Genesis P. Orridge
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Macho Masc Sangy Savage on July 09, 2016, 09:45:12 pm
I had a Gaia online account, and did spend actual money. I didn't have a debit card, so I for real sent in a check snail mail. I got a few pieces, and then $15 later realized that they were going to continually release these add-ons, and the whole system was set up to encourage you to buy more so you could be the next hot shit person who owned wings worth 1 billion gold or whatever. I had no self control, so I quit cold turkey.

As an aside, frankwest.xyz is fucking beautiful, and hope it fills out with more smilies found on different forums. XD is my favorite.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Bodark on July 10, 2016, 02:28:05 am
I still have my Gaia account. I don't use it for anything other than to check how shit the Gaia economy is, but it's there. My guild is still up, my embarrassingly extensive post history is viewable, and I have a bunch of shitty items that are worth literally trillions of gold because of how hard the economy got fucked by the addition of the Gaia Cash Shop.

Fun fact: the Extended Discussion forum was how I got introduced (indoctrinated?) to 4chan.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Isfahan on July 10, 2016, 10:32:59 am
Gaia Online is now older than the target age of users for which it was designed. What this means is you now have a multigenerational user base cultivated just from inertia rather than creepers coming around for the express purpose of creeping. What's worse is that the people who should have outgrown and moved on from Gaia as a matter of course but didn't are the people you least want hanging around those just entering the Gaia-Online phase of their Internet presence.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Dr. Buttplug on July 12, 2016, 05:05:54 am
Never had a Gaia account, but I had heard of it and thought it was pretty lame in high school/grade school. No the not at all lame thing I decided to get into was IMVU, the older sweatier cousin who can't grow in facial hair but tries anyway of Gaia Online. Like most people that got into it I figured it would be a nice place to meet girls and do sex animations at them. I do remember having one informative conversation with a girl from the middle east who was kind enough to take the time to explain Islam and the Quran in the broadest sense. That was the one positive memory from my experience.

Interestingly IMVU is still around, and I've even seen gift cards for it at my local grocery. So I was curious what was going on there these days.
NSFW content. Click to show.
And if google Image search results are any indication this could be a meaty one to dig into.

Boots edit: NSFW tag added
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: junior associate faguar on July 12, 2016, 04:06:47 pm
Also I think they bought FurAffinity for some reason. I don't know why anyone would want or pay money for that site, but...
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: EYE OF ZA on July 12, 2016, 04:21:07 pm
IMVU wanted ad revenue and the admin of FurAffinity wanted money.  The site still looks like it was made in 2005 but hey, furry cash is an endless font.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Isfahan on July 12, 2016, 05:53:07 pm
furry cash is an endless font.
EYE OF ZA, July 12, 2016, 04:21:07 pm

True dat. If your project is failing, give it furry aspects and make sure the furries catch wind of it. You will drown in money.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Dawnswalker on July 12, 2016, 07:55:13 pm
I came for the Teens Talkin Trash, but I stayed for Stormfront Babies.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Ashto on July 12, 2016, 09:57:50 pm
furry cash is an endless font.
EYE OF ZA, July 12, 2016, 04:21:07 pm

True dat. If your project is failing, give it furry aspects and make sure the furries catch wind of it. You will drown in money.
Isfahan, July 12, 2016, 05:53:07 pm

Here's hoping the podcast never runs into financial difficulties. Lest we go on the site one day and see a new header reading "The Fur-Plus: terrible things read with murr-tuthiasm"
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: SuperTrainStationH on July 13, 2016, 09:38:33 pm
Did Lemon not know the word "pogrom", or was the standards of what came before that word in the passage so low that he naturally assumed it was a poorly written rendition of "program", because frankly, I wasn't even expecting a word that "advanced" so to speak to be in that person's vocabulary.

I knew a friend who was all over this in 2005 or so, I just knew it as a harmless goofy forum thing with RP boards where you dressed up this ugly little pixelated doll.

Its really hilarious knowing that people are sitting on their asses with these cookie cutter anime avatars earnestly extolling the manly virtues of slaughter and bloodshed when they probably couldn't even make it through a 10th grade PE volleyball game. Its like when people were sitting around on James Cameron's Avatar forums whining about how much they value and love nature.

Also, it's weird seeing this MRA stuff on here, I never even thought of Gaia Online as having even the slightest amount of male appeal, I never even considered that this board had a large male userbase until hearing this reading.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Dawnswalker on July 13, 2016, 09:45:31 pm
The bit about the Dear John letter left me with my jaw hanging open.

I desperately want an edition of "So What REALLY Happened?" for that one.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: junior associate faguar on July 14, 2016, 11:59:59 am
Did Lemon not know the word "pogrom", or was the standards of what came before that word in the passage so low that he naturally assumed it was a poorly written rendition of "program", because frankly, I wasn't even expecting a word that "advanced" so to speak to be in that person's vocabulary.

I knew a friend who was all over this in 2005 or so, I just knew it as a harmless goofy forum thing with RP boards where you dressed up this ugly little pixelated doll.

Its really hilarious knowing that people are sitting on their asses with these cookie cutter anime avatars earnestly extolling the manly virtues of slaughter and bloodshed when they probably couldn't even make it through a 10th grade PE volleyball game. Its like when people were sitting around on James Cameron's Avatar forums whining about how much they value and love nature.

Also, it's weird seeing this MRA stuff on here, I never even thought of Gaia Online as having even the slightest amount of male appeal, I never even considered that this board had a large male userbase until hearing this reading.
SuperTrainStationH, July 13, 2016, 09:38:33 pm

I feel like part of the whole MRA thing, other than a massive overreaction to the fact that the internet makes the loudest, dumbest, angriest voices rise to the front and a continuation of the crippling fear that men might become less privileged, with maybe a tenth of a percent of real issues in society that face men that aren't their own fault and have been made radioactive by their association with hateful neckbeards, is about nerdy-ass dudes who are insecure about their masculinity. "It's clearly not because my idea of manliness is a composite of various fantasy and anime tropes and I don't actually look like Andre the Giant if he had all of his blood replaced with steroids, it must be those damned feminists who get all shrill when I threaten to rape them for disagreeing with me!"

Okay, I realize that went from nuanced to... rather not nuanced all of a sudden, but the idea of putting myself into the mindset of one of these people enough to write like them is sickening to me.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Down10 on July 14, 2016, 01:37:18 pm
I expected a lot of things out of this episode, but disgusting far-right-wing bigotry was not one of them.
Gyro, July 09, 2016, 01:11:39 pm
Can I just take a moment to say how distressing it is to hear arguments from teenagers modeled after the reactionary rhetoric of Fox News and AM hot talk radio? I would hope that the millennial generation would reject this form of dialogue, but it seems they've taken to it happily. That this line of thought comes alongside adorable little anime avatars makes it even more absurd.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Dr. Buttplug on July 16, 2016, 03:51:32 am
I doubt very many of the people that were read were actually teenagers. They might have been teens when they joined Gaia ten years ago when it was still hot, but I doubt the site gets much fresh blood with so many teen centric apps and alternatives out there.

In the past people who stayed in the same town they were born and did nothing with their lives were called "townies". In this internet age what do we call people that stay on the same forum or internet communities and do nothing with their lives? Forumies? Myspace users? Needs work-shopping.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Sovereign on July 16, 2016, 04:05:40 am
In the past people who stayed in the same town they were born and did nothing with their lives were called "townies". In this internet age what do we call people that stay on the same forum or internet communities and do nothing with their lives? Forumies? Myspace users? Needs work-shopping.
Jackal Flapnasty, July 16, 2016, 03:51:32 am
I'd just call them sad.

I did get the sense that the majority of the thread comments read were in spirit teenagers but most likely 25+ in age. Honestly, some of them didn't even really sound like teenagers, more like thirty-year-old Conspiracy Wikia contributors. But there is still the very real possibility that they all got their forum nesting tastes from Gaia years ago and just never left. I wonder where the Gaia moderators and admins are?
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: EYE OF ZA on July 16, 2016, 06:41:29 am
I have no trouble believing that a lot of the people posting on there are in their teens, or at least, in the late-teens-early-twenty-college-age sort of years.

I know a number of people in that age range who are really heavy into alt-right/neoreaction/whatever bullshit.  And they all seem to really like CS:GO.  That sort of alt-right stuff seems to really get people who are, say, maybe anime nerds but also really into firearms and milsim stuff.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Gyro on July 16, 2016, 01:11:57 pm
I wonder where the Gaia moderators and admins are?
Sovereign, July 16, 2016, 04:05:40 am

Based on the content in the episode, not on Gaia Online.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: Zekka on July 16, 2016, 01:26:49 pm
I have no trouble believing that a lot of the people posting on there are in their teens, or at least, in the late-teens-early-twenty-college-age sort of years.

I know a number of people in that age range who are really heavy into alt-right/neoreaction/whatever bullshit.  And they all seem to really like CS:GO.  That sort of alt-right stuff seems to really get people who are, say, maybe anime nerds but also really into firearms and milsim stuff.
EYE OF ZA, July 16, 2016, 06:41:29 am

I think it starts with normal "I want to feel like I have the key to understanding the world." A lot of people need to feel like they're surrounded by unenlightened masses if they want to feel like that. The super alt-right stuff afaict is just another way for people to tickle their "I knew I was better than other people!"-bone based on some existing prejudices. If you had different starting views you'd probably start identifying super strongly with leftists to look more sophisticated, stuff like that.

The soft level of "I have all the answers" is just "I hang out with the people who have all the answers and know how to say what they say." I think the stuff that cements it into actual hate is things like having bad personal experiences with women/racial minorities/homosexuals/etc., or being exposed to a lot of media/news that can emotionally cement those feelings.

The most homophobic person I ever knew only had abstract reasons to be uncomfortable with gay people, but his church and family had bombarded him with a lot of fear and anger about them. (not even concrete lies, as far as I can tell) It was the sort of position he was completely inarticulate about defending, but he had very strong social reasons to believe in it, and he could kind of tap into the undercurrent of hate he got from family and media. (He was probably closet-gay too: one of those "you have to fight the homosexual urges!" types.)

Take above with grain of salt -- I grew up around a lot of people who were conservative to various degrees in various areas, but I'm not a sociologist or anything.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: positive stress on July 18, 2016, 12:51:43 am
"in college I tried to be gay and I loved the music and drugs but I just don't think that lifestyle was for me"

yr a fuckin idiot m8 also what are you doing on Gaia IF YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE BEEN IN COLLEGE
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: moooo566 (taylor's version) on July 18, 2016, 03:34:51 am
Thing is, these adults aren't alone there. At this point, it's a forum for adults. Yeah, they're posting about their ex-wives and college antics, but so are a bunch of other people.

I assume there are children on gaia, but I can totally see how the forum population has aged and matured and carried the whole forum with them. It's theirs now.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: nuffkins, of all people, on July 19, 2016, 09:39:44 am
I think it starts with normal "I want to feel like I have the key to understanding the world." A lot of people need to feel like they're surrounded by unenlightened masses if they want to feel like that. The super alt-right stuff afaict is just another way for people to tickle their "I knew I was better than other people!"-bone based on some existing prejudices. If you had different starting views you'd probably start identifying super strongly with leftists to look more sophisticated, stuff like that.
Zekka, July 16, 2016, 01:26:49 pm

I think it starts when white teens develop critical thought before empathy. This episode feels suburban. These teens are insulated, so they start to think "rationally" and stop treating people like people. I can taste the Gamergate in Gaia.
Title: 219: Teens Talkin Trash On Gaia Online
Post by: stray dog freedom on July 21, 2016, 07:20:27 am
Id like to subsidize more type o negative references from lemon