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Projects => The F Plus => Topic started by: Lemon on December 27, 2014, 11:48:48 am
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Jack Chick Jimmyfranks Boots Raingear Acierocolotl Lemon
content for this episode was compiled by BomberJacket
edited by Jimmyfranks.
Listen buddy, I don't want to eat your human food. I might look like a human, but I'm actually a bullfrog in my soul, so I want to eat bullfrog food. Except I don't want to eat bugs because that would be totally gross. And if that doesn't make any sense, you need to check your Living In The Real World Privilege. This week, we're exploring the delicious recipes of Kin Food: A website set up specifically to distribute recipes to tumblrites who refused to be pigeonholed (unless they're part pigeon and part hole). This week, The F Plus has a soft spot for people eating folks.
MUSIC USED:
Duran Duran - Hungry Like The Wolf
Parappa the Rapper- Seafood Cake
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I had been yearning so deep in my soul for another weird food episode. I don't even have to start this one to know it's just what I've been waiting for.
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I loved this one. I was hoping it would go on for like three hours. That bingo bit fuckin killed me.
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I'll second the idea that these kids (literal kids, kids in adult bodies) don't believe they're special at all. Usually, the louder and more often someone insists something is true, the less likely they are to believe it themselves. All the weirdest, attention-grabbingest kids I knew growing up had permissive, quasi-absent parents and zero emotional support. I think if you bring a kid up believing they're a worthwhile person, encouraging their productive hobbies, and enabling them to socialize, they probably won't turn out to be a weirdo.
On a note about weirdos, this might be the greatest evidence I've ever seen against the argument that otherkin are just mentally ill. A real crazy person, I think, would just eat the worms and not tell the internet about it because it makes sense to them.
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I kind of wish that I was otherkin now because they're just so crazy and out with it
I wish that I was that crazy 24/7 without breaks
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This Bingo (http://jsbin.com/hixeca) thing is going to be a problem.
Pretty much filled a card in less than 15 minutes.
Androidkin reaction was priceless.
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"edible cum lube"
Wait a minute, didn't either the offbeatr or the dragon dildo have 'edible cum lube' as a feature for something? I know that the dragon dildo episode had a LOT of clube discussion but I'm almost certain I've heard the words 'edible cum lube' together before.
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Every episode has been so good lately, may this golden age of F Plus never end
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If anyone wants a little more of this, here's my favorite bit that didn't make it into the episode: http://kinfood.tumblr.com/tagged/gaseous-kin (http://kinfood.tumblr.com/tagged/gaseous-kin)
It's about a guy so particular with his eating habits that the site mods and some of its users are afraid he'll actually starve to death. Keep in mind the posts are in reverse chronological order, so you have to start at the bottom and read up.
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Actually, regarding Tumblr and the fact that its layout is terrible for literally every purpose it's used for, there is actually a way to view Tumblr blogs in chronological order instead of reverse chronological order. Nowhere in the interface does it tell you this at all. Also, you have to be looking at a tag to do this.
You take the url: http://kinfood.tumblr.com/tagged/gaseous-kin
And you do this: http://kinfood.tumblr.com/tagged/gaseous-kin/chrono
Know what was also worth $1 billion? A blogging site that doesn't have a way to search a blog for a string. If you search a Tumblr blog, it only checks against the tags.
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Maybe I'm like a varroa mite otherkin?boots
Boots I will hug you.
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Know what was also worth $1 billion? A blogging site that doesn't have a way to search a blog for a string. If you search a Tumblr blog, it only checks against the tags.
EYE OF ZA, December 28, 2014, 12:05:35 am
Oh good, I remember five years ago wondering if Tumblr was ever going to make it possible to search blogs. There used to be a barely functional search bar that would return apparently random results that were different every time you searched, glad to hear they've found some consistency now!
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This is what happens to people who are completely and utterly terrified of the possibility of offending someone: They run a blog telling crazy teenagers who think they're badgers what foods best approximate the texture of earthworms.
Edit: Also: This is a Wolpertinger:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Wolpertinger.jpg)
It's a legendary creature that was created when the Bavarians ran out of ideas
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This is what happens to people who are completely and utterly terrified of the possibility of offending someone: They run a blog telling crazy teenagers who think they're badgers what foods best approximate the texture of earthworms.
KingKalamari, December 28, 2014, 01:10:53 am
Honestly, I think they're just feeding each other's bullshit. None of them legitimately believe any of this; it's all performance. If I pretend you're a garbage truck, you'll pretend I'm an Ethiopian wolf and we'll be special and interesting together.
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"BEE-L-T!!!"
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/metalgear/images/b/bc/The_Pain.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080206222715)
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I've kind of got experience with that attitude, only in the sense that I used to be thirteen and I really, really wanted to be a wolf in my soul. Or a dragon, or an alien, or something that wasn't human and was special. It was probably a combination of being a teenager and being in a new place without many friends. Also, some YA novels about wolves with magic Christian powers or something. Otherkin bullshit is one of those there but for the grace of God go I topics, because I had the perfect attitude for it, but I guess I never found anyone to reinforce it, and I eventually made new friends and I started caring about regular teenager things like getting invited to parties.
There's probably some small portion of true believers in there, but I'm betting most of them are like I was as a teenager, and are into it because their life is free from problems, but they don't get to do anything interesting and they don't have a lot of friends, so they're looking for an explanation for why they're bored. Oh, it's cause I'm not a human, I'm an ancient ice dragon named Torpakal. That's why I need to chew ice! This episode felt like it was part performance and part hoping that if you do all the right things, maybe you really will feel like a badger/robot/2012 Toyota Camry. They don't really believe it, but they want to try to make themselves believe it so bad, because it'd be a cool thing to believe.
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This is what happens to people who are completely and utterly terrified of the possibility of offending someone: They run a blog telling crazy teenagers who think they're badgers what foods best approximate the texture of earthworms.
KingKalamari, December 28, 2014, 01:10:53 am
Honestly, I think they're just feeding each other's bullshit. None of them legitimately believe any of this; it's all performance. If I pretend you're a garbage truck, you'll pretend I'm an Ethiopian wolf and we'll be special and interesting together.
THE TRUE JUICE, December 28, 2014, 10:33:03 am
There are lots of people who legitimately believe this. I know several of them personally. It's honestly kind of sad sometimes, because if you actually interact with them, the theory that they weren't told they were special enough (as opposed to too much) becomes glaringly apparent. They grow up in environments where they aren't given enough support and love and so they join a community that's built completely around support and love with no actual critical thought involved, or they become so lost and unable to forge a personal sense of self that they just build an identity out of the pieces of pop culture they enjoy.
That said, there's definitely a big chunk of the community that's just going through the motions of a performance. That's fine. In fact, I think that's preferable. It means they'll grow out of it without the assistance of therapy.
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I'm swanskin, but I only identify with the deep cuts from Holy Money
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Also, when Beekeepers use drone comb to trap varroa mites, they use a frame filled with drone larvae that they killed by putting in the freezer, then the mites go on the dead drones because they like the smell, then they're frozen again to kill the mites. This can be done several times. So there's a chance the bee eater was eating nasty, frostbitten, diseased larvae.
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For some reason I'm very disappointed that tumblr hasn't come up with a Rumpelstilts-kin, but I guess "mediakin" covers that.
WHAT! I COME UP WITH DUMB SHIT TO COUNTERACT THE DUMB SUBJECTS OF THESE PODCASTS DON'T JUDGE ME!
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I was kind of afraid to listen to this one for fear it would be more drama than recipes, but I'm glad I did. The succubus bit had me hitting the car window with laughter.
Also, props to Lemon for having the dedication to look up the price of cumlube, because I thought it would be much more expensive.
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Know what was also worth $1 billion? A blogging site that doesn't have a way to search a blog for a string. If you search a Tumblr blog, it only checks against the tags.
EYE OF ZA, December 28, 2014, 12:05:35 am
Oh good, I remember five years ago wondering if Tumblr was ever going to make it possible to search blogs. There used to be a barely functional search bar that would return apparently random results that were different every time you searched, glad to hear they've found some consistency now!
fifty cents, December 28, 2014, 12:47:02 am
Fun fact! Apparently tumblr only pulls up certain things in searched tags if it's among the first 4-5 things the post is tagged with. After that it goes "ehhhh fuck it" and so if you search for a post under something it was tagged with 5-6 tags in, it won't show up.
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Fun fact! Apparently tumblr only pulls up certain things in searched tags if it's among the first 4-5 things the post is tagged with. After that it goes "ehhhh fuck it" and so if you search for a post under something it was tagged with 5-6 tags in, it won't show up.
Tiny Prancer, December 28, 2014, 02:58:35 pm
Really? I never knew that
This is fun let's all share our favorite things about how Tumblr doesn't work, mine is that if you go back far enough in your dashboard or blog it stops showing old posts even if there should be more coming up. Like all of the posts are being pulled up by some Tumblr employee by memory and he just can't remember what everyone was posting earlier than a few months ago
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I have had a tumbr for about a year now and I'm still not entirely certain how to hold a conversation with another tumblr user, or even if that's possible.
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my favourite tumblr
thing is how in long
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also "long enough" means like six
(http://e: i also accidentally drew a map of british columbia)
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I was considering making a Tumblr a few days ago because everyone else has one, etc., but now I'm glad I didn't.
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Tumblr was a big part of my life for about five years and I think it's done a lot of good for a lot of people (I know I'd be a lot more of an asshole if not for Tumblr) but it's become such a gross environment of everyone supporting everything, it's really not okay. Like, this stuff
If anyone wants a little more of this, here's my favorite bit that didn't make it into the episode: http://kinfood.tumblr.com/tagged/gaseous-kin (http://kinfood.tumblr.com/tagged/gaseous-kin)
It's about a guy so particular with his eating habits that the site mods and some of its users are afraid he'll actually starve to death. Keep in mind the posts are in reverse chronological order, so you have to start at the bottom and read up.
BomberJacket, December 27, 2014, 11:36:16 pm
This stuff really bums me out. So many people on Tumblr are teenagers who are going through that part of life where you're confused about everything, trying to figure out who you are and what your identity is, and Tumblr comes in and says "explore things, don't feel bad about what you might learn about yourself, you are who you are!" And that sounds fine but part of accepting yourself for who you are is accepting yourself for who you actually are. Like there's a pretty crucial difference between a teenager saying "I think I might be gay" and saying "I think I might be a ball of gas". One of those explorations of identity is fine to encourage, one isn't.
A couple years ago when the otherkin and multiple stuff was catching on around Tumblr, I saw a few of my friends say they felt like it made sense to them, one friend "came out" as a sea slug and I was going through the #otherkinpride tag trying to understand it. I saw one person in the tag talking about how they felt like they were losing their grip on reality, asking people to message them because they needed reassurance that they were real, and at the end of the post said "please no anonymous messages, if I get an anonymous message I'll have no way of knowing that it wasn't just from one of my headmates." This was tagged #otherkinpride? What the hell? How can people not see that this is a kind of behavior that should not be encouraged?
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I mean, there's plenty of good people on tumblr and I'm glad that I have one and that I follow them. But the reason I have one is because it lets me track people who write and draw good things, not because of the platform itself. The platform is designed like shit and I have no idea how it became so popular or why so many otherwise talented people have flocked to it. It's got sheer inertia behind it at this point, but I don't know why it became a thing in the first place.
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On another note: "faekin"? Yeah you are! Ha ha ha ha haaaaaa
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On another note: "faekin"? Yeah you are! Ha ha ha ha haaaaaa
fifty cents, December 28, 2014, 10:05:31 pm
heyoooooooo
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The most hilarious examples I've found since I started reading the whole blog are the people disregarding their mystical spirit self's mythos-established food preferences. Kitsune are traditionally considered to like sweetened red beans and have an association with rice, but fuck it, those foods don't make every shit you take a life-changing five alarm emergency.
(http://i.imgur.com/1ha1lo7.png)
At this point all you're doing is justifying eating excessive amounts of popcorn chicken, and only to yourself, which is a baffling endeavor.
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This all makes sense when you frame it as a bunch of teenagers looking for an excuse to exclusively eat junk food
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Otherkin make me sad, since to me it just says that they either don't know how to stop bullshitting and lying, or that they don't have anybody they know or are close with that they think would accept their real selves without judgement or prejudice. So instead of going "I'm a 20 year old nerd with nerd interests" they go "I'm a 20 year old super special onion with an infinite number of layers to peel, isn't that exciting?!", which results in them building relationships on false pretense and make believe instead of what's already there.
Not to mention the oppression piggybacking that many otherkin seem to be engaging in, which is just despicable and vile, but still makes me sad, since it's all just for attention.
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This all makes sense when you frame it as a bunch of teenagers looking for an excuse to exclusively eat junk food
fifty cents, December 28, 2014, 11:49:26 pm
Except the pine needle tea and the worms.
I feel like it's less looking for an excuse, and more people who already mainly eat junk food having a miniscule reference pool.
Also, as someone who, as a dumbass kid, would've been into this stuff if I'd had tumblr at the time, most of it is just kids trying to deal with internal issues and a sense of not belonging. It's a lot easier to deal with loneliness and being terminally weird and awkward when it's because you're secretly a super awesome thing that's cool, especially when there's a group of like-minded outcasts who accept you and get your jokes and think you're neat (as long as you all reinforce each other's delusions). Otherwise, your choices are narrowed to "I'm fundamentally broken and will never be happy because I'm not like other humans," or, "the fundamental assumptions I've built my social interaction around are broken, and now I have to relearn how to human from step 1, and will never be happy because I won't be at the same level as my peer group ever."
Honestly, I doubt most of the people involved in otherkin will sustain their silliness past early adulthood. A lot of it is just conformity with a social group; once they've got better access to multiple social circles, they'll be a little less inclined to keep up the delusion solely for the sake of not being alone.
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In defense of the pine needle tea, I have to point out that its use predates the tumblr generation. If I recall correctly, Native American tribes were among the first to brew it, and it has some surprisingly nutritional benefits.
Does any of this excuse the otherkin who try to alter their diet in an attempt to match their animals? Or course it fucking doesn't. Especially since I'm not aware of any animals who know how to boil water.
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Basically everything about Kin Food is cheating. Even if we accept the idea that somebody might be a badger in their soul, why can't they just eat fucking worms? You have two options: eat worms, or don't. Don't bake up a fucking gummy worm casserole and say "oh this is so good, it's just like what my soul animal would eat".
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I guess they never read this
(http://www.makeandtakes.com/wp-content/uploads/how-to-eat-fried-worms.jpg)
(on a vaguely related note, I remember reading this book and Superfudge in grade school and both involved people eating worms. Was there some sort of weird fad thing with worms in the 70s-80s? I wonder about this sometimes.)
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(on a vaguely related note, I remember reading this book and Superfudge in grade school and both involved people eating worms. Was there some sort of weird fad thing with worms in the 70s-80s? I wonder about this sometimes.)
Tiny Prancer, December 29, 2014, 03:09:44 am
This is what kids did to each other for fun back then. Double daring your friend to eat a worm was basically the original version of doxxing them or, I don't know, posting a fake coming-out letter on their wall when they forget to log out of facebook?
Source: I am an expert on this topic
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I doxx my friends as a prank all the time
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(on a vaguely related note, I remember reading this book and Superfudge in grade school and both involved people eating worms. Was there some sort of weird fad thing with worms in the 70s-80s? I wonder about this sometimes.)
Tiny Prancer, December 29, 2014, 03:09:44 am
This is what kids did to each other for fun back then. Double daring your friend to eat a worm was basically the original version of doxxing them or, I don't know, posting a fake coming-out letter on their wall when they forget to log out of facebook?
Source: I am an expert on this topic
scratchohey, December 29, 2014, 07:10:22 am
The context of it in Superfudge is that there was a neighbor lady of the family in the book who would pay for kids to bring her worms and when asked if she ate them she not only said that she did but that she did it specifically because worms were a good source of protein. she was also treated as a very nice and reasonable woman within the story and not some batshit insane person.
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(on a vaguely related note, I remember reading this book and Superfudge in grade school and both involved people eating worms. Was there some sort of weird fad thing with worms in the 70s-80s? I wonder about this sometimes.)
Tiny Prancer, December 29, 2014, 03:09:44 am
This is what kids did to each other for fun back then. Double daring your friend to eat a worm was basically the original version of doxxing them or, I don't know, posting a fake coming-out letter on their wall when they forget to log out of facebook?
Source: I am an expert on this topic
scratchohey, December 29, 2014, 07:10:22 am
The context of it in Superfudge is that there was a neighbor lady of the family in the book who would pay for kids to bring her worms and when asked if she ate them she not only said that she did but that she did it specifically because worms were a good source of protein. she was also treated as a very nice and reasonable woman within the story and not some batshit insane person.
Tiny Prancer, December 29, 2014, 09:31:24 am
Those fudge books are pretty chock full of crazy stuff.
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Especially since I'm not aware of any animals who know how to boil water.
Ashto, December 29, 2014, 01:00:11 am
Then how do you explain apes having bread as a primary food source? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXa4T7strzY)
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In defense of the pine needle tea, I have to point out that its use predates the tumblr generation. If I recall correctly, Native American tribes were among the first to brew it, and it has some surprisingly nutritional benefits.
Does any of this excuse the otherkin who try to alter their diet in an attempt to match their animals? Or course it fucking doesn't. Especially since I'm not aware of any animals who know how to boil water.
Ashto, December 29, 2014, 01:00:11 am
Similarly, there are plenty of communities around the world that treat eating insects as a fairly normal thing-- they're inexpensive, ubiquitous and full of protein, so for a community that prefers those sorts of qualities in their food, roasting crickets is totally a thing. I mean, hell, Westerners eat arthropods all the fucking time. It's just the land-dwelling bugs we don't like (unless you're a hipster or into haute cuisine).
But otherkin are dumb.
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Similarly, there are plenty of communities around the world that treat eating insects as a fairly normal thing-- they're inexpensive, ubiquitous and full of protein, so for a community that prefers those sorts of qualities in their food, roasting crickets is totally a thing. I mean, hell, Westerners eat arthropods all the fucking time. It's just the land-dwelling bugs we don't like (unless you're a hipster or into haute cuisine).
But otherkin are dumb.
Sherlatke, December 29, 2014, 01:46:57 pm
"Pfft, I don't eat lobster, that's what my well-off yet absent parents eat at their so-called 'client dinners' or whatever and like hell am I gonna be like them!"
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I'm gonna cook a sickass hamburger and fries with a side salad while I listen to this again.
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Desperately needs the "thing that goblins do" tag
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GIMME RECIPES FOR EARTHWORMS
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GIMME RECIPES FOR EARTHWORMS
Mister Smalls, December 29, 2014, 11:04:47 pm
Im' eight years old and I love fried earthworms!
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I'M EIGHT YEARS OLD AND I LIKE BEING A CHICKEN
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GIMME RECIPES FOR EARTHWORMS
Mister Smalls, December 29, 2014, 11:04:47 pm
Okay.
http://www.recipesource.com/main-dishes/dinner-pies/01/rec0176.html
http://www.eattheweeds.com/cooking-with-earthworms-2/
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No, Neal, bad! This is how it fucking starts! In a month you'll be reblogging roadkill sandwich lady.
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I'm a turkeykin who feeds off grasshoppers.
Luckily there's a taqueria that makes grasshopper tacos so im set up
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Here's one for all my fellow cicadakin out there: drink maple syrup out of the bottle, using a straw shoved through a piece of chocolate bark
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Desperately needs the "thing that goblins eat" tag
Lady Frenzy, December 29, 2014, 07:20:08 pm
ftfy
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A Buster Ponidexter joke and a Warren Zevon joke within about thirty seconds of each other? Good lord.
Anyway great episode as always, much kudos to Bomber Jacket for managing to get together something both (1) from Tumblr and (2) about otherkin that wasn't just folk angrily pissing on each other
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I am USSRkin; I eat kulaks, fascists, Trotskyites, and counterrevolutionaries. Does anyone know any good vegan recipes that simulate the crunchy texture of the bourgeoisie's class struggle against the proletariat? Thanks in advance!!
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I am USSRkin; I eat kulaks, fascists, Trotskyites, and counterrevolutionaries. Does anyone know any good vegan recipes that simulate the crunchy texture of the bourgeoisie's class struggle against the proletariat? Thanks in advance!!
Psammetichus, January 05, 2015, 02:25:30 pm
You will need:
1 cup Kellogg's corn flakes
1/2 cup milk
1 small bread loaf, stale
3 tbsp Smirnoff Goldschläger
1) Pour the corn flakes into a small iron-cast pan
2) Use a cheese-grater to grind down the loaf you can ill afford into a small bowl
3) Pour in the life-sustaining milk of the motherland into the bowl, then mix in the vodka until the gold of the bourgeoise's curdles the hope and flavor from the milk.
4) Pour mixture over cereal and braise in the oven at 204 degrees Celsius under the crushing heat of the Red State.
5) Serve in cereal bowl, consume immediately commrade
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Brand-name corn flakes? An oven? Too decadent for a true USSRkin. Put a potato in a bowl.
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Brand-name corn flakes? An oven? Too decadent for a true USSRkin. Put a potato in a bowl.
fifty cents, January 05, 2015, 05:02:34 pm
A whole potato? getting a little greedy, eh comrade?
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Brand-name corn flakes? An oven? Too decadent for a true USSRkin. Put a potato in a bowl.
fifty cents, January 05, 2015, 05:02:34 pm
I'm a ballbusterkin and I'd like some recipes involving a large potato and a long sock
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He's a damn Ruskie, so he's probably on his way to steal my potatoes now. Thanks a lot you guys.
#Potatoshaming #Oppression
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i, too, like the joke about potatoes. it is novel and fun.
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I'm a ballbusterkin and I'd like some recipes involving a large potato and a long sock
Mister Smalls, January 05, 2015, 06:33:48 pm
For this recipe you will need
- 1 large potato
- 1 long sock
1. Preheat oven to 400
2. Put a large potato in a long sock
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i, too, like the joke about potatoes. it is novel and fun.
chai tea latte, January 05, 2015, 07:08:38 pm
Everyone's Russian to make the joke first.
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Okay, so here's a post that's not about potatoes.
At what points did you guys start to notice huge, gaping holes in the entire charade being perpetrated here? For me, it started with the worms and just spiraled from there. If you really believe you're a badger, even assuming that this is a magical world where you're not criminally insane for believing that, wouldn't you just eat the worms? If you're really a succubus in your soul, why does being single preclude you from the gluttonous acquisition of jizz? The market value of dick, even clean dick, is not high.
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If you're really a succubus in your soul, why does being single preclude you from the gluttonous acquisition of jizz? The market value of dick, even clean dick, is not high.
THE TRUE JUICE, January 05, 2015, 08:33:34 pm
I can't speak for the wormeaters, but jizzgetting would generally require some form of real-life interaction, which is probably very difficult for most otherkin types. And/or Mom would get mad if she found out.
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I feel like everyone is being pretty transparent about their #1 goal to be "looking like I want to eat worms". Nobody actually wants to eat worms, they just want everyone to look at them and say "wow, that dude wants to eat worms! He must be very otherkin!" I can see why so many people choose their kintype as something that doesn't exist in reality, because then you get all the sweet kin-cred but nobody can call you on your shit like "hey you're always saying you want to drink unicorn blood... prove it. Drink some unicorn blood, right here, right now."
Plus there's the added bonus of everyone thinking you're special for identifying as something nobody else does. Everyone wants to be as different as possible, as easily as possible
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It just drives home how little they actually believe in any of it. It's the same principle as the vampire guy, just constantly reaffirming stuff that's too absurd to handle.
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Definitely. It's a sore subject among the friends I still talk to from my Tumblr days but that site really is an environment where people see everyone talking about something and say "hey I can be that!" I'm all for people exploring their identities and being true to themselves, but I've seen enough people claiming to be trans or otherkin or whatever when they're clearly just doing it to fit in, and that's stupid. I'm in no way trying to deny privilege or whatever but there genuinely is a stigma on Tumblr attached to not being a minority of one type or another, and it pushes people to identify as something that makes them different.
This is 100% anecdotal but I knew a girl who was so full of it, always posting about how it gave her so much anxiety when people called her a girl and didn't use gender neutral pronouns for her. But she lived in our house for a few months, and I saw her real life reactions to being called a girl, and I saw her real life reactions to things that set off her anxiety. Granted she may be telling the truth when she says she feels more comfortable being addressed with neutral pronouns but the way she presented herself online she was very clearly exaggerating any feelings of gender dysphoria she may have had.
Everyone wants attention and validation, and everyone wants people to see how nice and supportive they are. It's a big circlejerk where everyone talks about how special they are, and then everyone pats each other on the back for being special, and then everyone who's not getting patted on the back says "hey how do I get in on that sweet backpat action? I should probably tell them I'm special too." What bothers me the most about it is how, by claiming to be going through the real struggles of other people, you're showing how little you actually take those struggles seriously. Everyone embellishes everything to sound more impressive, I've seen people pretend to have eating disorders, DID, schizophrenia, all kinds of shit that is actually extremely serious. Classic example everyone's heard a million times would be people saying they have obsessive-compulsive disorder when they just like organizing shit or whatever. But god forbid you call someone on their shit, people will never forgive you for questioning a person. I should probably stop talking about Tumblr, it always turns into a rant.
Tumblr Is Bad
~The End~
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I tend to assume it's a lot of sheltered kids who don't really have any idea what these actual disorders entail; probably a lot of them are at that point in their mental/emotional development where they're trying to figure out who they are, so they're trying on whatever identity's available to distinguish themselves.
It's kind of interesting how we now have the opportunity to observe kids' inner lives, since they're dumb and barf them all over for the world to see. I expect the tumblrite idiocy isn't too terribly removed from idiocy of ages past, just easier to find. (I mean, shit, the last two episodes have made me eternally grateful that social media wasn't a big thing when I was in middle/high school, because I would probably have been all over that mess. Especially the vampire stuff.)
Basically, kids are dumb and bumble around trying to figure things out. Though I guess it's no less annoying and offensive that they're coopting important social movements with idiocy.
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I can't help but wonder if part of it is that some of them are people who are unhappy for reasons they don't understand why or how to deal with it so they're exceptionally quick to believe that of COURSE it's because I'm actually an animal in my soul! or whatever, because that explains why I'm not happy with myself. I had something like this go on at one point during my mid-teens where I was convinced I was transgender because I was so uncomfortable and unhappy with myself and the only thing that hit on how I felt was when I heard people talk about gender dysphoria, but later on down the road it turned out to because I had some serious anxiety issues going on that were exacerbated by the medication I was taking at the time (fun fact if you're someone with anxiety issues ADHD medication that's supposed to make you focus can result in some pretty bad shit). Looking back on it I am absolutely willing to believe that if I had known about otherkin shit at the time I absolutely would have leapt onto it and been all about actually being a dragon in my soul or whatever because this was the period where I was SUPER into anime and new age stuff so someone telling me "you're a dragon in your soul" would have been the best thing ever in my mind, because I was INCREDIBLY unhappy and had no real idea of where the unhappiness was coming from.
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I think so, yeah. Tumblr is pretty much the opposite of what teenagers need, it makes everyone obsessed with labeling themselves, and then people start calling themselves demiromantic and the world ends
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There's also a certain shrewdness to it, albeit the shrewdness a lazy/socially retarded teenager would exercise, and it didn't start within Tumblr. Within circles of kids like this, there exists an unspoken imperative to make these things plausible. Again, see Real Vampire Guy: He wants to believe this, and for people to believe him, so badly that he's reduced the signs of being a Real Vampire to shit anybody can do or perceive themselves as doing. You don't have to burst into flames in the sunlight or gouge out people's necks with your teeth to be a Real Vampire, you just have to have some of these vague qualities that are almost impossible to verify. It lets you be a part of the secret cool Real Vampire club, even if it's only in your head and only as often as you reaffirm it to yourself. For another example, consider the magick/Wicca/Satanist/whatever kids I'm sure most of you knew in reality or observed online back in the day who generalized and handwaved the whole concept into meaninglessness. You know how it goes: "Being a witch doesn't mean casting spells/not going to church/doing anything meaningfully different from how I lived my life before 8th grade."
Now compare, say, the meteoric plummet of any meaning behind the term 'asexual' on Tumblr. It arose as something that, on the outset, seems like it'd take little to no effort to perform. You just don't feel attraction to either gender or want to perform sex acts, and nobody on the internet can really check up on how much sex you're not having. All seems right until you realize you can't keep up the charade when every second post on your blog is either erotic fanfiction or pictures of dudes with you lusting out in the tags. Suddenly keeping up the con would mean a vast overhaul of your hobbies, or at least the public face of your hobbies. Now when someone calls you out, it becomes necessary to explain that it's totally possible to be asexual and feel sexual desire/enjoy porn/write pervy fanfiction with a hand under the desk. When that doesn't hold water, you make up a new thing where you're totally into sex (almost always straight sex, because who the fuck are we kidding) but only with certain people and only once specific emotional and interpersonal prerequisites have been met. This makes you a demisexual, or in any other social circle outside the nerdy end of Tumblr, an average but discerning sex partner. There's an even greasier little movement that argues that one shouldn't have to experience bodily dysphoria to have claim to the label of transsexual/transgender, completely disregarding the fact that its being a legitimate physical problem and not a Feel is what's gradually enabling people to pursue treatment.
What it boils down to is this: They want to be Special, not Different. These are separate things and they know it, at least subconsciously. Being Different is difficult, it's uncomfortable, it's uncontrollable, and it's not generally something you get to define yourself.
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Good point. That's one thing that I just don't understand at all, the people who argue that you can consider yourself transgendered without experiencing any feelings of dysmorphia (I'm pretty sure they call themselves "tucutes" unless I'm thinking of something else). It honestly feels less like an argument and more like a "because I said so, shut up". If a person who was designated male at birth, feels no dysmorphia whatsoever, and identifies as male can call himself trans, you're just taking away all meaning of the word and everything behind it. It's seems pretty fucking disrespectful to me and I'm amazed people get so aggressive when defending this point of view. I'm not trans so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but I don't know, I can't see any way of looking at it other than "majority people labeling themselves as minorities" Seems fucked up to me! Basically the gender equivalent of an extremely white person talking about his 1/16 Cherokee blood. Sorry if that makes me a piece of truscum shit!
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I think so, yeah. Tumblr is pretty much the opposite of what teenagers need, it makes everyone obsessed with labeling themselves, and then people start calling themselves demiromantic and the world ends
fifty cents, January 06, 2015, 05:34:59 am
Nah, kids have always been obsessed with labelling themselves to declare their identities. They're just doing it where everyone can see them now.
The main issue is from the coopting of legit activism, which we need to find a way to discourage, since that's harmful to others. Anything else is like 99% typical teenage goofiness, which they'll grow out of.
I'm not really keen on the idea that one MUST conform strictly to the dysmorphia/full medical model of transgender diagnosis. If a person commits to presenting as one gender, full-time, 100% but don't feel a need (or have the ability) to get medical alterations to their body, I don't see how that would make that person less that gender. I understand that for many transfolks it's more about being treated as who you are than about what form your junk takes, so making "hates their body" a prerequisite for recognizing the appropriate gender is kind of fucked up.
(Especially when it means that one has to get involved with the horrifying circus that is the medical crap surrounding trans people. I have Stories from a lot of trans friends.)
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If a person commits to presenting as one gender, full-time, 100% but don't feel a need (or have the ability) to get medical alterations to their body, I don't see how that would make that person less that gender. I understand that for many transfolks it's more about being treated as who you are than about what form your junk takes, so making "hates their body" a prerequisite for recognizing the appropriate gender is kind of fucked up.
Puppy Time, January 06, 2015, 03:40:42 pm
I'm gonna tuck a foot in your door real quick to say there's a big difference between "I do not experience dysphoria," and "I do not want what medical science can do for me right now, it is too limited/expensive at this time and for now my existential agony can be ameliorated by social recognition."
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To be clear, what I'm referring to is people who identify and present as the gender they were designated at birth, but call themselves trans. Not genderqueer people, or people who identify one way but publicly present themselves as another, but people who by their own admission don't feel anything on the inside that would make them trans, but call themselves trans anyway.
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I wish that I was special...
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I wish that I was special...
Smoking Crow, January 06, 2015, 06:11:14 pm
so very special...
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If a person commits to presenting as one gender, full-time, 100% but don't feel a need (or have the ability) to get medical alterations to their body, I don't see how that would make that person less that gender. I understand that for many transfolks it's more about being treated as who you are than about what form your junk takes, so making "hates their body" a prerequisite for recognizing the appropriate gender is kind of fucked up.
Puppy Time, January 06, 2015, 03:40:42 pm
I'm gonna tuck a foot in your door real quick to say there's a big difference between "I do not experience dysphoria," and "I do not want what medical science can do for me right now, it is too limited/expensive at this time and for now my existential agony can be ameliorated by social recognition."
THE TRUE JUICE, January 06, 2015, 03:53:37 pm
Well, yeah, no shit, but I have the impression there's a not-insignificant number of trans people who don't feel like they need a particular body fix, they just want to be treated as their own gender, and saying that this means they are somehow not-trans is weird.
Of course, as a cisperson, I don't really get much of a say about it. (Nor do I particularly care to.)
To be clear, what I'm referring to is people who identify and present as the gender they were designated at birth, but call themselves trans. Not genderqueer people, or people who identify one way but publicly present themselves as another, but people who by their own admission don't feel anything on the inside that would make them trans, but call themselves trans anyway.
fifty cents, January 06, 2015, 04:05:10 pm
Ugh, those douches. I know someone like that IRL. Generally not a cool person at all.
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Well, yeah, no shit, but I have the impression there's a not-insignificant number of trans people who don't feel like they need a particular body fix, they just want to be treated as their own gender, and saying that this means they are somehow not-trans is weird.
Puppy Time, January 06, 2015, 08:52:39 pm
Definitely, I don't think anyone here would disagree with that. I think there's some confusion here because at some point the words "dysphoria" and "dysmorphia" got mixed up (I only just now realized they're two different things, oops)
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I think there's some confusion here because at some point the words "dysphoria" and "dysmorphia" got mixed up (I only just now realized they're two different things, oops)
fifty cents, January 06, 2015, 09:07:17 pm
Aww, shit, I apparently forgot how to read!
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I've listened to this episode so many times, it's in my top five F plus episodes.
Lemon taking longer to explain the bingo game than it actually took it being won is one of the best Fplus moments
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You know, listening to this episode again, I notice that the blog tags it as Merfolk and not Merkin, and that's disappointing.
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Where does one find such a bingo card?
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Where does one find such a bingo card?
Shell Game, June 14, 2017, 07:50:13 pm
Why, you can find it at https://thefpl.us/also-made/bingo
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Where does one find such a bingo card?
Shell Game, June 14, 2017, 07:50:13 pm
Why, you can find it at https://thefpl.us/also-made/bingo
Neal, June 14, 2017, 09:04:51 pm
Oh shit! I just realized that the http->https switch on thefpl.us ended up breaking the bingo card process. Just fixed.
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Where does one find such a bingo card?
Shell Game, June 14, 2017, 07:50:13 pm
Why, you can find it at https://thefpl.us/also-made/bingo
Neal, June 14, 2017, 09:04:51 pm
Oh shit! I just realized that the http->https switch on thefpl.us ended up breaking the bingo card process. Just fixed.
Lemon, June 14, 2017, 10:46:15 pm
Huh, I thought it was my dumb computer acting up. Thanks!