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Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Lemon on December 08, 2013, 04:29:22 pm
with Boots Raingear, Jimmyfranks, Isfahan, bumpgrrl, and Lemon.
Edited.
Content for this episode was provided by [NAME REDACTED].
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic premiered in 2010, almost exactly a year after The F Plus' first episode. But despite this, we've intentionally avoided the topic of Bronies throughout the podcast simply because it seemed too simple and straightforward to spend an hour going "I find cartoon horses sexy". Of course, we should have realized that is the entry point and it gets more insane from there. This week, nuzzling!
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Runic on December 08, 2013, 05:01:27 pm
Oh God yes. I have been waiting ages for this.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: JamEngulfer on December 08, 2013, 05:35:13 pm
Oh god why... I'm not looking forward to this episode. I can't imagine what horrors lie within.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Goose Goose Honk At Me Now on December 08, 2013, 05:44:50 pm
Love that the F Plus pony has a Jean-Claude Van Damme-esque mullet in the episode artwork.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: EYE OF ZA on December 08, 2013, 05:50:00 pm
Oh god yes and/or no
edited because portaxx summoning
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: TheCrawlingChaos on December 08, 2013, 05:52:20 pm
AAAAAAAH! Welcome back, Portaxx! *happy dance of Portaxx reading again* Anyway, for what its worth I think y'all succeeded admirably in bringing some new material that's not just the same old brony grossness. Good fun all around.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: chai tea latte on December 08, 2013, 06:13:38 pm
Portaxx's intro is incredible and this looks like a fantastic episode so far
but who is [NAME REDACTED]? is that their name?whoops that was silly
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Zsa Zsa on December 08, 2013, 06:23:32 pm
christ lemon your fucking rainbow voice
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Down10 on December 08, 2013, 06:30:50 pm
Hey guys, it's kind of a spoiler to reveal that [NAME REDACTED] turns up in this one. That said, it was great episode! You guys are killing it.
Also, thanks for letting us know about e621.net (http://e621.net), my new favorite website for all the best artwork that the Internet has to offer:
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Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: eatenmyeyes on December 08, 2013, 07:03:03 pm
That was pretty great. It really hit all the right notes.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: KingKalamari on December 08, 2013, 07:11:59 pm
Stupid internet nerds have an absolutely gigantic chip on their shoulder about people telling them not to masturbate to things...
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Triggerhappy938 on December 08, 2013, 08:39:28 pm
At what point does telling someone who is more or less a stranger "I FAP TO YOU" seem like a good idea? What is the thought process that leads to this conclusion?
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: scratchohey on December 08, 2013, 08:44:47 pm
At what point does telling someone who is more or less a stranger "I FAP TO YOU" seem like a good idea? What is the thought process that leads to this conclusion? Triggerhappy938, December 08, 2013, 08:39:28 pm
After several years of doing all your socializing in front of a monitor, your mind starts going a little wacky from the isolation.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Down10 on December 08, 2013, 09:20:41 pm
At what point does telling someone who is more or less a stranger "I FAP TO YOU" seem like a good idea? What is the thought process that leads to this conclusion? Triggerhappy938, December 08, 2013, 08:39:28 pm
After several years of doing all your socializing in front of a monitor, your mind starts going a little wacky from the isolation. scratchohey, December 08, 2013, 08:44:47 pm
I was thinking about the Nekobe story in Ep. 100, and how similar that comment sounds to his "I'm feeling yiffy!" behavior. It's the same type of people who are so alienated from human interaction in the real world that they carry over their revolting interests and their impulsive online behavior out into the public or some other inappropriate venue.
I don't know how any cartoon artist or voice actor would ever make an appearance at a fan event these days, if they are even slightly aware of this not-so-underground pervert fan base. …But a lot of them (like Tara Strong, voice of Twilight Sparkle) still do it. God bless 'em.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: EYE OF ZA on December 08, 2013, 09:26:48 pm
At what point does telling someone who is more or less a stranger "I FAP TO YOU" seem like a good idea? What is the thought process that leads to this conclusion? Triggerhappy938, December 08, 2013, 08:39:28 pm
"They'll be so honored that I, a discerning individual, have chosen to masturbate to them. I believe I'm an intelligent person so being frank about my sexual habits means that I'm progressive."
That section about the 'I'm gonna masturbate to Lauren Faust as a pony no matter what' comment reminded me of some joke Lemon made in an earlier episode along the lines of 'I'm going to masturbate to you no matter what you do'. Don't remember the context, though.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: cyclopeantrash on December 08, 2013, 09:33:29 pm
At what point does telling someone who is more or less a stranger "I FAP TO YOU" seem like a good idea? What is the thought process that leads to this conclusion? Triggerhappy938, December 08, 2013, 08:39:28 pm
After several years of doing all your socializing in front of a monitor, your mind starts going a little wacky from the isolation. scratchohey, December 08, 2013, 08:44:47 pm
Why can't the wacky fetishes be more innocuous? Like say, a fetish for wing chairs? Or Roy Orbison in clingfilm?
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Yossarian on December 08, 2013, 11:58:24 pm
I remember the first time I found a Tulpa thread while dredging the bottom of the internet. It must have been one of the earliest ones too because it was around early 2011. After that first one there was a flurry of activity, people posting logs of their progress. Some of them were spending so much time on that fucking visualization shit the OP and a few others were either really into it or great at bullshitting. They had some kind of exercise regime for people to use and some people were clocking in over a hundred hours within the first week or two. A few people were dismissive of it and tried to disprove it and mentioned it was stuff ripped from Buddhism and the waste bin but it still caught on. Desperation at its finest.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: montrith on December 09, 2013, 03:15:10 am
Yay, Portaxx is back and she is the podcast fairy. Thanks for that forray into the worst of the brony fandom. Truly, nobody has ever done justice to MLD like you did. I think that voice was even creepier than the illustrations.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Triggerhappy938 on December 09, 2013, 04:16:19 am
I am all for the return of Portaxx, especially if she keeps bringing gems like these with her.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: chai tea latte on December 09, 2013, 06:39:04 am
Also, maybe this is just me, but I feel like the music choices could have been fun to listen to if they weren't about cartoon horses. There's some surprising talent in the brony world and it just seems...wasted.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Psammetichus on December 09, 2013, 02:30:44 pm
The person talking about removing all the vowels and reducing a word to just three or four consonants was somehow semi-correct in describing Hebrew.
In the Semitic languages (including Arabic, Hebrew, some Ethiopic languages, and Aramaic, the language Jesus Christ probably spoke) you have "stems". Take, for example, the Arabic stem k-t-b, meaning write. Now, from this stem, vowels are added as diacritic marks; the Semitic languages don't have particular characters for vowels. So the k-t-b stem could mean kitab "book", kutub "books", katib "writer", kuttab "writers", kataba "he wrote", yaktubu "he writes", etc., depending on how one places the vowels. So, for example, in this Hebrew paragraph (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Aleppo_Codex_Joshua_1_1.jpg) the letters are consonants and the dots and dashes above/below them are the vowel markers.
Hebrew wasn't always like this, however. Originally, the earliest Hebrews easily read the Torah without any problem, since they knew the stories by heart. But later generations, as Hebrew became more a literary language and Jews spoke Aramaic or Greek, they started having problems remembering the vowels. For example, if I say my favorite podcast is Th F Pls, I would know the missing vowels and understand The F Pls to be The F Plus. But my great-great-great-great-grandchildren might not know this, and Th F Pls could be read as Thou Fee Pulse or whatever. (It's a dumb example, whatever.) So later Hebrews went through the text and added the vowel markers.
Knowing this, one can make sense of some otherwise seemingly bizarre or incorrect passages from the Bible. For example, during David's fight against Goliath, the latter was wearing armor and a helmet, while David only had a sling. The text says David slung a stone at Goliath and hit Goliath in his metzach, or forehead. But there's a problem here. Goliath's helmet would have had a strip of metal covering his brow and extending down his nose, not unlike this Greek (Corinthian) helmet (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Greek_-_Corinthian_Helmet_-_Walters_542304_-_Three_Quarter.jpg/405px-Greek_-_Corinthian_Helmet_-_Walters_542304_-_Three_Quarter.jpg). How could David had hit Goliath in his forehead if Goliath was wearing such a helmet? Well, with different vowel placements, metzach is extremely similar to mitzchah, the word meaning greaves, his leg armor. (Both words come from the step m-tz-ch.) Now, this makes more sense! If David had hurled the stone into Goliath's greaves, between the armor itself and his flesh, he would not have been able to bend his knee and would have been knocked off balance due to the weight of his amor, giving David the opportunity to draw Goliath's sword and behead him, as David does in the Biblical narrative. So this was likely the earliest version of the story, but the later Hebrews misplaced the diacritic vowel markers, and changed the meaning of the word and a key detail of the story.
Sorry for the linguistic/Biblical derail, but I thought others would find this as interesting as I do.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Sherlockian on December 09, 2013, 02:44:38 pm
The person talking about removing all the vowels and reducing a word to just three or four consonants was somehow semi-correct in describing Hebrew.
In the Semitic languages (including Arabic, Hebrew, some Ethiopic languages, and Aramaic, the language Jesus Christ probably spoke) you have "stems". Take, for example, the Arabic stem k-t-b, meaning write. Now, from this stem, vowels are added as diacritic marks; the Semitic languages don't have particular characters for vowels. So the k-t-b stem could mean kitab "book", kutub "books", katib "writer", kuttab "writers", kataba "he wrote", yaktubu "he writes", etc., depending on how one places the vowels. So, for example, in this Hebrew paragraph (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Aleppo_Codex_Joshua_1_1.jpg) the letters are consonants and the dots and dashes above/below them are the vowel markers.
Hebrew wasn't always like this, however. Originally, the earliest Hebrews easily read the Torah without any problem, since they knew the stories by heart. But later generations, as Hebrew became more a literary language and Jews spoke Aramaic or Greek, they started having problems remembering the vowels. For example, if I say my favorite podcast is Th F Pls, I would know the missing vowels and understand The F Pls to be The F Plus. But my great-great-great-great-grandchildren might not know this, and Th F Pls could be read as Thou Fee Pulse or whatever. (It's a dumb example, whatever.) So later Hebrews went through the text and added the vowel markers.
Knowing this, one can make sense of some otherwise seemingly bizarre or incorrect passages from the Bible. For example, during David's fight against Goliath, the latter was wearing armor and a helmet, while David only had a sling. The text says David slung a stone at Goliath and hit Goliath in his metzach, or forehead. But there's a problem here. Goliath's helmet would have had a strip of metal covering his brow and extending down his nose, not unlike this Greek (Corinthian) helmet (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Greek_-_Corinthian_Helmet_-_Walters_542304_-_Three_Quarter.jpg/405px-Greek_-_Corinthian_Helmet_-_Walters_542304_-_Three_Quarter.jpg). How could David had hit Goliath in his forehead if Goliath was wearing such a helmet? Well, with different vowel placements, metzach is extremely similar to mitzchah, the word meaning greaves, his leg armor. (Both words come from the step m-tz-ch.) Now, this makes more sense! If David had hurled the stone into Goliath's greaves, between the armor itself and his flesh, he would not have been able to bend his knee and would have been knocked off balance due to the weight of his amor, giving David the opportunity to draw Goliath's sword and behead him, as David does in the Biblical narrative. So this was likely the earliest version of the story, but the later Hebrews misplaced the diacritic vowel markers, and changed the meaning of the word and a key detail of the story.
Sorry for the linguistic/Biblical derail, but I thought others would find this as interesting as I do. Psammetichus, December 09, 2013, 02:30:44 pm
That was me. "Somehow" nothing-- I know how Hebrew works. I deleted the post because I wrote it at stupid o'clock and was high on cold meds and afterwards realized that no one else would be interested in my grumping about how removing vowels when you're transliterating something into Hebrew is not actually as weird as it sounds.
And also that Hebrew is not all "k"s, it's all "ch"s (as in that throat-clearing phlegm sound that Yiddish and Hebrew speakers do).
Modern Hebrew also drops vowels-- it's not an old-fashioned thing. Most written Hebrew intended for adults is written without the nikud/diacritic marks. Anyone trying to learn how to read Hebrew texts (ancient or modern), is going to be confronted with the fact that it's mostly vowelless and reliant on context.
Which is not to say that the original poster was right in any way-- root words are three consonant letters, not four, so she was just making up culturally appropriative nonsense words. But I'm used to asshole pagans coopting bits of my religion at this point.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Psammetichus on December 09, 2013, 03:07:55 pm
That was me. "Somehow" nothing-- I know how Hebrew works. I deleted the post because I wrote it at stupid o'clock and was high on cold meds and afterwards realized that no one else would be interested in my grumping about how removing vowels when you're transliterating something into Hebrew is not actually as weird as it sounds. sherlockian, December 09, 2013, 02:44:38 pm
Oh, no, I was talking about the pagan in the episode who took English words, removed all the vowels, and removed consonants until they had three letters. I didn't see your post at all and didn't mean to question your knowledge of Hebrew.
Modern Hebrew also drops vowels-- it's not an old-fashioned thing. Most written Hebrew intended for adults is written without the nikud/diacritic marks. Anyone trying to learn how to read Hebrew texts (ancient or modern), is going to be confronted with the fact that it's mostly vowelless and reliant on context.
This is fascinating, I didn't know Hebrew still dropped the vowels at times. Hebrew seems like a very compact language, I guess that's why. But I definitely defer to you in all matters re: Hebrew, I only speak English and have a passing interest in other languages.
Which is not to say that the original poster was right in any way-- root words are three consonant letters, not four, so she was just making up culturally appropriative nonsense words. But I'm used to asshole pagans coopting bits of my religion at this point.
I'm not sure if there are any pagans on ballp.it, but paganism (or neo-paganism, whatever) seems to be complete BS. At least Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Shinto, Taoism, Confucianism, et al. have time and a long history on their side.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Goose Goose Honk At Me Now on December 09, 2013, 03:31:48 pm
That section about the 'I'm gonna masturbate to Lauren Faust as a pony no matter what' comment reminded me of some joke Lemon made in an earlier episode along the lines of 'I'm going to masturbate to you no matter what you do'. Don't remember the context, though. EYE OF ZA, December 08, 2013, 09:26:48 pm
It was Bunnybread in the Supernatural episode and I hate/love that his voice is burned into my memory screaming "I'M GONNA JIZZ NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO"
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Cleft Uppercut on December 09, 2013, 03:33:05 pm
Regarding the guy who wrote the letter about marrying Twilight Sparkle, I once found a tumblr that archived a bunch of that guy's facebook postings and stuff about his relationship with... a stuffed child's toy, and generally gave more unfortunate background on the whole issue. As a special bonus, it actually included pictures of him going out on the town with the doll. The page has since been removed from tumblr. (but not way back machine)
EDIT: Nevermind, I did the work myself instead of asking someone else to do it. Here's a wayback machine link to the tumblr archiving the events of that idiot: http://web.archive.org/web/20130623101156/http://engagementoftwilight.tumblr.com (http://web.archive.org/web/20130623101156/http://engagementoftwilight.tumblr.com)
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Cyberventurer on December 09, 2013, 03:37:45 pm
I can't picture what it must be like to have creepy fans following you around just because you made something they happened to like and how that's suddenly a license for them to start stalking you and how dare you say anything bad about that.
On a completely unrelated topic, yay for Portaxx showing up again!
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Cleft Uppercut on December 09, 2013, 03:42:22 pm
Oh also this screenshot of his facebook after he and twilight sparkle got married: http://imgur.com/gallery/nYGIq (http://imgur.com/gallery/nYGIq)
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Triggerhappy938 on December 09, 2013, 04:09:49 pm
So what is the plan for the Ridiculists when they get fans this crazy?
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Sherlockian on December 09, 2013, 04:18:30 pm
Oh, no, I was talking about the pagan in the episode who took English words, removed all the vowels, and removed consonants until they had three letters. I didn't see your post at all and didn't mean to question your knowledge of Hebrew.Psammetichus, December 09, 2013, 03:07:55 pm
Oh, oops. Sorry!
This is fascinating, I didn't know Hebrew still dropped the vowels at times. Hebrew seems like a very compact language, I guess that's why. But I definitely defer to you in all matters re: Hebrew, I only speak English and have a passing interest in other languages. ...
I'm not sure if there are any pagans on ballp.it, but paganism (or neo-paganism, whatever) seems to be complete BS. At least Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Shinto, Taoism, Confucianism, et al. have time and a long history on their side. Psammetichus, December 09, 2013, 03:07:55 pm
Yeah, Hebrew is a fascinating language. There are rules for spelling things without the vowels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ktiv_maleh) in modern Hebrew to make things somewhat less confusing. But the rules change and not everyone follows them, so.
There's pagan stuff that speaks to me, especially the reconstructions (I know a couple of people who do reconstructions of pre-Jewish semetic religions that are really cool), but so many people seem to think that it's totally okay to just frolic through the fields of religion, take one thing here, another there, and completely divorce them from their original context.
And then apply them to cartoon ponies because that's not insulting in any way.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Cleft Uppercut on December 09, 2013, 04:28:57 pm
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: AlbieQuirky on December 09, 2013, 04:39:38 pm
At what point does telling someone who is more or less a stranger "I FAP TO YOU" seem like a good idea? What is the thought process that leads to this conclusion? Triggerhappy938, December 08, 2013, 08:39:28 pm
After several years of doing all your socializing in front of a monitor, your mind starts going a little wacky from the isolation. scratchohey, December 08, 2013, 08:44:47 pm
Ha, ha, you think people don't do this in real life!
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Runic on December 09, 2013, 04:59:16 pm
Regarding the guy who wrote the letter about marrying Twilight Sparkle, I once found a tumblr that archived a bunch of that guy's facebook postings and stuff about his relationship with... a stuffed child's toy, and generally gave more unfortunate background on the whole issue. As a special bonus, it actually included pictures of him going out on the town with the doll. The page has since been removed from tumblr. (but not way back machine)Cleft Uppercut, December 09, 2013, 03:33:05 pm
Yeah, the scary part is that either this guy's entire online life is some sort of elaborate piece of performance art, or he really means all this shit. It is utterly baffling.
There's pagan stuff that speaks to me, especially the reconstructions (I know a couple of people who do reconstructions of pre-Jewish semetic religions that are really cool), but so many people seem to think that it's totally okay to just frolic through the fields of religion, take one thing here, another there, and completely divorce them from their original context.
And then apply them to cartoon ponies because that's not insulting in any way. sherlockian, December 09, 2013, 04:18:30 pm
The funny part is that some of the same people who do this shit are also social justice tumblr warriors. Apparently cultural appropriation is okay when they're doing it.
Mass suicide. Let's be honest, there's only really one way this is ever going to end.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: KingKalamari on December 09, 2013, 05:58:38 pm
I just remembered I found this thing that is apparently from the officially licensed comics:
(http://i.imgur.com/hZR3mrml.jpg)
I can only assume it was inspired by the fandom...
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: scratchohey on December 09, 2013, 06:17:28 pm
E: ^^^ You know that like 30% of the bronies who read that completely missed the point.
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Y'know, I've made clear my opinions on this before, but Portaxx's lesson at the end of this episode summed it up perfectly: don't associate with horrible, gross people just because they like the same things as you.
Oh, I know! It's just that the internet has made it so much easier. Creepers gonna creep, but most of them don't have the guts-slash-instability to actually confront the object of their obsession in real life. The internet gives these people the courage that comes with anonymity, and an entire echo chamber of like-minded creepers telling them that, yeah, it's totally okay to tell someone that you like to masturbate to pictures of them! IRL, you'd probably get punched or arrested; online, you can just go back to the echo chamber and everyone will tell you that it's okay, they're just being mean!
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Odd on December 09, 2013, 06:34:03 pm
At some point in the episode Portaxx was unable to parse and explain a gratuitous reference to elder chaos gods in the pony fandom. I believe that was a reference to the MLP character of Discord. A mischievous chaotic god voiced by the guy who is Q from Star Trek TNG.
(Seen here in a HUUUGE 3000x4000 image. Because Bronies can't tolerate anything short of perfect image definition for their obsession) http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130630153357/villains/images/a/a0/MLP_Discord.png (http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130630153357/villains/images/a/a0/MLP_Discord.png)
A character unlikely to appear again because the actor, John de Lancie, was also brutally exposed to the fandom while helping make the documentary "BRONIES: The Extremely Unexpected Adult Fans of My Little Pony." A very strange experience I don't think he walked from feeling too good about.
To the surprise of nobody who has been online for more than an hour on average Bronies are worse than Trekkies.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: EYE OF ZA on December 09, 2013, 09:15:36 pm
I know enough about My Little Pony from contact osmosis (TV Tropes mock threads) that apparently Discord's thing is making people hallucinate horrible things?
I just know about it because TV Tropes took that and said "LITERAL MIND RAPE, NIGHTMARE FUEL, HOW IS THIS FOR KIDS???"
Like imagine how the Fetish Fuel wiki would talk about two characters sharing a scene and how they clearly want to fuck. That level of sensitivity toward any vague stimuli gets applied to Nightmare Fuel, Crowning Moments, et cetera, and it's ridiculous.
Note that these are all from the Nightmare Fuel page for the show. Not the page for the disgustingly long and dumb pony fanfics.
Trixie leading The Third Reich, turning Ponyville into a ghetto, and having a fetish for Body Horror.
She deleted Pinkie's mouth from existence. Less than a minute later we see Pinkie trying to eat cupcakes and failing causing her to start silently crying. Now imagine her starving to death because she can't eat anything.
Pay attention at the very end. Pinkie with her mouth returned, breathes in. Which likely means that she was holding her breath that entire time, think that over... that is torment on a diabolical level. It's terrifying not just the implication of suffocation but the fact Trixie knew exactly what she was doing.
On the opposite hand, this also means Pinkie Pie can survive without breathing for a frighteningly long time.
Something that will probably scare the adults more than the kids—Scootaloo falls into a river and almost goes over a waterfall. If RD hadn't been there...
At one point, Discord removes his eyeballs directly from his eye sockets. The way he does it makes that moment even creepier, if for no other reason than how much of a Mind Screw it is. Discord makes a "rolling my eyes" pun and takes out his eyeballs before rolling them like a pair of dice. The eyes fall into a pair of holes in the ground and said holes turn out to be Discord's eye sockets, and the real Discord suddenly materializes on the ground and sits up. The whole scene is a moment of reality warping that would break your brain if you thought about it too much.
Fluttershy losing her mind after getting rejected by the animals. Eep.
She bit a squirrel!
I feel like I have to remind you that this is supposed to be scary moments, because I had to remind myself what it's supposed to be.
This is also scary, because the cute baby dragon has cute baby dragon lizard eyelids:
This scene is similar to watching someone you know as being as human as you are slowly turn into something not human.
Most of the videos on that page have gotten taken down for copyright violations (shocker) but this one is still up. Remember. Scary moments.
Scary.
The sad thing is that looking at the actual plot points that come up around nerds getting scared of cartoon ponies, it's just a normal kid's show that ended up being the shit magnet of the decade.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Odd on December 09, 2013, 10:35:22 pm
I just know about it because TV Tropes took that and said "LITERAL MIND RAPE, NIGHTMARE FUEL, HOW IS THIS FOR KIDS???" Like imagine how the Fetish Fuel wiki would talk about two characters sharing a scene and how they clearly want to fuck. That level of sensitivity toward any vague stimuli gets applied to Nightmare Fuel, Crowning Moments, et cetera, and it's ridiculous. EYE OF ZA, December 09, 2013, 09:15:36 pm
I think lack of enriching stimuli connects becoming obsessed with boring shit like MLP (that and general manchild-ness) and thinking shit like the stuff you describe is upsetting. These people lack the context and experience to realize how trite and cliché all that shit is, both MLP in general and 'Nightmare Fuel'. Because Creepypastas are the scariest thing they have experienced they try to exaggerate every abnormal plotpoint, no matter how mundane, into something worthy of having been noticed. In part because they feel the need to somehow justify liking the shit they like.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: eatenmyeyes on December 09, 2013, 11:31:57 pm
I just know about it because TV Tropes took that and said "LITERAL MIND RAPE, NIGHTMARE FUEL, HOW IS THIS FOR KIDS???" Like imagine how the Fetish Fuel wiki would talk about two characters sharing a scene and how they clearly want to fuck. That level of sensitivity toward any vague stimuli gets applied to Nightmare Fuel, Crowning Moments, et cetera, and it's ridiculous. EYE OF ZA, December 09, 2013, 09:15:36 pm
I think lack of enriching stimuli connects becoming obsessed with boring shit like MLP (that and general manchild-ness) and thinking shit like the stuff you describe is upsetting. These people lack the context and experience to realize how trite and cliché all that shit is, both MLP in general and 'Nightmare Fuel'. Because Creepypastas are the scariest thing they have experienced they try to exaggerate every abnormal plotpoint, no matter how mundane, into something worthy of having been noticed. In part because they feel the need to somehow justify liking the shit they like. Odd, December 09, 2013, 10:35:22 pm
Not to sound like some sort of apologist, but I think this is more an indictment of Tropers than Bronies.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Sherlockian on December 10, 2013, 12:04:18 am
I think lack of enriching stimuli connects becoming obsessed with boring shit like MLP (that and general manchild-ness) and thinking shit like the stuff you describe is upsetting. These people lack the context and experience to realize how trite and cliché all that shit is, both MLP in general and 'Nightmare Fuel'. Because Creepypastas are the scariest thing they have experienced they try to exaggerate every abnormal plotpoint, no matter how mundane, into something worthy of having been noticed. In part because they feel the need to somehow justify liking the shit they like. Odd, December 09, 2013, 10:35:22 pm
Not to sound like some sort of apologist, but I think this is more an indictment of Tropers than Bronies. eatenmyeyes, December 09, 2013, 11:31:57 pm
Within the venn diagram of internet nerds, those are not exactly mutually exclusive.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: EYE OF ZA on December 10, 2013, 12:25:37 am
The venn diagram of emotionally stunted, poorly socialized nerds who are emotionally affected by kids' TV shows.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Yossarian on December 10, 2013, 12:31:35 am
At some point in the episode Portaxx was unable to parse and explain a gratuitous reference to elder chaos gods in the pony fandom. I believe that was a reference to the MLP character of Discord. A mischievous chaotic god voiced by the guy who is Q from Star Trek TNG.
(Seen here in a HUUUGE 3000x4000 image. Because Bronies can't tolerate anything short of perfect image definition for their obsession) http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130630153357/villains/images/a/a0/MLP_Discord.png (http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130630153357/villains/images/a/a0/MLP_Discord.png)
A character unlikely to appear again because the actor, John de Lancie, was also brutally exposed to the fandom while helping make the documentary "BRONIES: The Extremely Unexpected Adult Fans of My Little Pony." A very strange experience I don't think he walked from feeling too good about.
To the surprise of nobody who has been online for more than an hour on average Bronies are worse than Trekkies. Odd, December 09, 2013, 06:34:03 pm
Ok I'm kinda curious about de Lancie's reaction to the fandom. Do they show this in the documentary or are you referencing some after the fact interviews?
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Odd on December 10, 2013, 12:55:03 am
Ok I'm kinda curious about de Lancie's reaction to the fandom. Do they show this in the documentary or are you referencing some after the fact interviews? Yossarian, December 10, 2013, 12:31:35 am
Apparently my information is out of date as John de Lancie is still making appearances at Bronycons. He may not have been as disturbed as I was led to believe after the documentary backlash. Ponies must write really good checks.
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Post by: A Whirring Bone-White Gleech on December 10, 2013, 03:02:57 pm
Not only is the last third of the episode dedicated to the idea that "sometimes you shouldn't share," but the comments on thefpl.us nicely demonstrate the point again. That's pretty Meta, you guys.
Psammy and sherlockian taling about Herbrew.
I'm a gentile and I don't know Hebrew, but I did take a biblical history class in college, so I'ma chip in with this: from what I understand, it wasn't always that way. The oldest Hebrew language was different, and it used a different script (I don't know if it had vowel marks or not). The modern Hebrew script is actually a derivative of Babylonian script, and was created during one of the periods when the region had been conquered by Babylon and the Babylonians had removed the upper casts of Hebrew society and tried to eradicate their original culture, religion and language. Which is why people don't know what a lot of those words should be or what vowel marks to use: they're the results of priests trying to recover texts written in a script that had died and transliterate it into another script that didn't have vowel-marks.
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Post by: nilvoid on December 10, 2013, 07:00:38 pm
Edit: nevermind
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on December 11, 2013, 03:57:24 pm
Ah, it's good to be back!
First off, I know this is going to keep being brought up, so I might as well state it here: Don't worry about why I was gone. Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended that people asked about it. I'm sincerely flattered and touched to see that total strangers were concerned about me during my hiatus. But don't worry too much about it. I'm not dying or anything! So just let me be the sad clown that I am and let me dance for your amusement. I will say that no, I was not mad at anyone in the podcast or vice versa, and no episode topic drove me offline. Your buddy Portaxx is way stronger than that, kids! Just clearing that up since I don't want any arguments consisting of "why'd you go?" "F U DON'T BOTHER HER," heh. I'm back and that's all that matters. Ever. In the whole world.
Secondly, this episode gives me a chance to talk about something I've seriously been wanting to discuss for years but haven't been able to, for reasons that'll become quite apparent in this very post. And what might that be?
SHIT YOU DEAL WITH WHEN YOU POST ART ONLINE
Yes, I completely identified with Lauren Faust's plight when she got hassled by creepers in that material. That crap that happened to her happens very Very VERY VERY often. In fact, I've been dealing with it for many years myself. And while I doubt I'll ever get into all gritty details, I figured I should illustrate (har har) what kind of things an artist can go through.
"PORTAXX, I MADE MY OWN GALLERY! WHAT ARE SOME THINGS I CAN EXPECT?!"
Why, I'm glad you asked, me! Based on my experiences, here's a list of what you can look forward to:
- People asking for porn:In other words, "HI I MASTURBATE TO FAT SHEEP FALLING OFF A CLIFF!! XD WHAT DO YOU CHARGE??": What's that? You have no porn of any kind on your site? You don't even mention porn on your commissions page? That's fine! You'll be asked about it anyway! You may wonder why a person would blurt out their kinks to a total stranger just for the teeny tiny chance of porn when there are so many other artists out there who will gladly fulfill their request or even give it away for free. The answer is: internet. Which brings us to...
- People introducing themselves by telling you their fetish:Or "HI I LOVE YOUR STUFF! I MASTURBATE TO FAT SHEEP FALLING OFF A CLIFF BY THE WAY! ANYWAY GOODBYE!!!!": This happens all the fucking time. People assume that enjoying your work means they are obligated to contact you and give you status updates on their genitals. If I had to guess, I'd say they were folks whose own little internetty social circles introduce themselves this way, and they honestly have no idea that "I'M JERKIN'!" isn't a valid substitute for "hello!"
- Strangers falling in love with you and trying to date you:Or "I've watched your work for years! I dream of the day we can meet! I want to take you out sometime :3" "... who the fuck are you?": I understand this to a degree. Sure, I'm not a real celebrity, but if I'm entertaining someone and I'm well-known to any degree, then it can have the same effect on a person. I've seen harmless versions of this behavior. But I've also seen ultra-mega-stalky-creepy behavior too. I have been asked out on internet dates, and the would-be suitor's preferred location has almost always been a MUCK. I have had people make a long list about all my oh-so-delightful qualities, none of which lined up with reality (seriously, you love how I "only have sweet, kind things to say" to people? Have you SEEN the awful shit I inflict upon the other readers?) I have had strangers fall in love with a version of me that doesn't exist, only to become enraged when they find out I don't match their weird headcanon... and then I somehow find out after the fact. And yes, it's all because I drew some pictures. I know this because it's among the first things these people bring up.
- People demanding porn:or "IF YOU DON'T DRAW THIS I'M GOING TO MAKE YOUR LIFE MISERABLE, BITCH!": Oh well in that case I'll TOTALLY draw all the fat sheep falling off a cliff you want!
- *fucking asterisk actions*:or *FLUFFLES YOUR HAIR AND POUNCEHUGGLES YOU MEEP MEW MEW O_O :3c*: It's never a teenager. The person will be at least 20 years old. And no, they will absolutely not notice that you aren't responding with silly roleplay bullcrap of your own. They'll keep doing it no matter fucking what. And it's always a furry. No, that's not bigotry. It's just scientific fact. If furrykind can get together and pass a law stating that anyone who does this to random folks gets catapulted into the next solar system, I'd be very much obliged.
- People informing you as to which one of your pictures they jerk it to:or "OMG I looove your work! This fat sheep you drew is so sexy! Especially when it's falling off a cliff! I uploaded it to the Yankin' It To Fat Sheep Falling Off A Cliff Mailing List and everyone loved it too! :DDD": Thanks, I'm glad the silly art I did for a friend's birthday aided you in your sexual dysfunction. I'm even more glad that you fucking told me all about it!
- People asking what your friends' fetishes are:or "So it looks like you know This Other Person! Are they into fat sheep falling off a cliff too? Think you could introduce me if so? :)": At this point you may be wondering why I haven't become a serial killer. And at this point, I'm wondering the same thing myself.
- People demanding art for free:or "So like, can you draw my avatar for free? Incidentally his name is IHaveSoManyStupidLittleDetailsIt'dMakeTetsuyaNomuraPukeUpALung!... no? WHY NOT???": Depending on the situation, I'm not at all opposed to giving out free art. I do it a lot, actually. But it depends on who's asking, what they want, and why they want it. I will draw Lemon basically anything he wants, because I know he usually needs it for some project. Plus he once pulled me out of that out-of-control train right before that time bomb's clock hit 0, so y'know. I can't really draw some stranger's goofballicious character for free for no reason. And oh boy, will people ever get mad when they don't get their requests fulfilled. This will happen to you at least once. If it only happens once, then you are the luckiest artist in the world, because holy shit. Similarly, be prepared for random people to ask you to do insane things like "animate an entire 30-minute pilot for my cartoon series" without pay. Because, like, you need to "believe in the project, maaaan." Yeah, I've done free art for projects I believed in, but I had a reason to believe in them, asshole. I've also done my fair share of requesting free work for certain projects, but thanks to stuff like this, I always preface it with about 73 paragraphs of "but if you don't want to, that's fine!!!" I probably end up sounding like the most insecure, neurotic weirdo ever. Which I am, but they don't need to know that.
- People trying to trick you into drawing porn:or "Can you draw a fat sheep falling off a cliff... AS A JOKE??": Holy fucking mother of fucking fuck-hell, I fucking can not stand this. It's creepy as shit. And this happens all the goddamned time. Popular excuses are "oh I'm just fascinated by this stuff!", "I just think it would be fun!", and yes "It's just a funny joke!" Really? REALLY? A cat-man inflating like a balloon is a joke?? What the fuck, do you think I'm going to buy that?! Even if I wasn't in this podcast, my god, a human being can tell the difference between "JOKE" and "NOT A JOKE." What, do you go to open mic night and say "so yeah... WOMEN BEING TURNED INTO SHARKS AND THEY REALLY DON'T LIKE IT!... Amirite??"? Fuck off, you sick bastards. There's something to be said about the kind of person who tries to coyly trick you into participating in their masturbation sessions. Especially if they're doing it because they assume you'd decline if you knew what the situation really was. And ESPECIALLY if they're that goddamned inept at it. Oh, you won't draw their SFW porn? That's cool! They'll just track down your friends and try to trick them instead! Oh, and they'll namedrop you when they do it, too! Even though you turned them away!
- THE BARGAINING, OH MY GOD THE BARGAINING:or "oh my god I just wanted to post art please just end my suffering": Now, say you decline someone's request. Assuming they don't fucking flip out on you and try to ruin your life over it (see below), they will bargain with you. "So, you won't draw a fat sheep falling off a cliff? Okay, how about a chubby goat falling off a pyramid? How about a sheep standing on a cliff and eyeballing a giant cake? How about a sleepwalking sheep visiting the Grand Canyon? How about a cotton ball teetering on the edge of a table?" FUCKING STOP IT. Oh, you work with other artists? Great! Now the creeper can muscle in on your projects and ask THEM about drawing fat sheep falling off a cliff! Hmm? Your friends don't want to even discuss what levels of SFW porn are acceptable because they don't want to talk about SFW porn at all? Hahahhahaha fuck you, if CreepySheepLuvr78 wants to talk about it, he'll make sure it's discussed! But don't you worry, because CreepySheepLuvr78 is also under the impression that the world works as a set of very specific stats. If you say a swear word, he'll graciously remind you that swearing isn't work-safe either and that as a result, you have no excuse to NOT honor his porn request. And at this rate, you'll be fucking swearing every other goddamned word because HOLY SHIT WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE FUCKING INTERNET.
"PORTAXX, THAT'S SOME CRAZY SHIT! WHY DON'T YOU IGNORE THESE PEOPLE??"
Many times this does work. However, many other times they will not take a hint. And when they don't take a hint, they definitely fucking follow you. Many years ago, there was one particular dude who would pester me about SFW porn (AS A JOKE OF COURSE) and I ignored him. Years went by, and he seriously tracked me down on a completely unrelated website and registered for a fucking account just to talk to me.* After about two sentences swearing that it was all a cuh-razyyy coinky-dink that I happened to be on that site too, he immediately jumped into "... so ready for my commission finally? X3" And that's probably the most tolerable incident. Many times it's much, much worse. All because they saw your art, liked it, and hoped to jerk off to it. Or jerk off to it more, depending on the case.
"PORTAXX, THIS IS STUPID! JUST TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF!"
Ohh, how I wish I could. This could be a post in and of itself. But long story short, denying a person anything online can get you into a shitstack of trouble. I'm talking about threats, stalking, shadowy smear campaigns, OVERT smear campaigns, harassment of your friends, calls to your ISP, baseless accusations, really hilariously stupid attempts at framing you for hacking, and just generally massive clusterfucks. And yes, all of these things have happened to me over the years. It is goddamned unreal how crazy internet people can be, trust me. And that's why you can't even really discuss these things in most places. If I were to post this to a blog, I'd run the risk of getting a huge flamewar and demands for me to apologize for my bigotry. I'd probably hear "but I do that! Are you saying I'm creepy?!" and "but my friends do that all the time and I don't see a problem with it! Ergo you're wrong!" Nothing would change, nobody would learn anything, and suddenly I'd have a massive headache. It's just not worth it. But since I'm now going to try to turn the ballpit into my own personal Tumblr, I figured eh, might as well post this!
So, to recap, this is what being an online artist is like: You post your work online. Lunatics pester you. You can't really tell them to go the fuck away because they might explode Crazy-Aid all over you and your friends, but if you ignore them, they assume they're BFFs with you and will make sure you get a play-by-play of what mischief their sexparts are up to.
That said, OMG ART TRADE ANYONE? XD
* Before you ask, no, it's not this site.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Runic on December 11, 2013, 04:50:08 pm
I'm just going to say that I am absolutely terrified by the thought of someone wanting to jerk it to a piece of Portaxx art. Because your art is stylish, adorable, and completely unsuitable for any form of pornography. Like, I can not even comprehend someone looking at your DA page and thinking, "wow, this stuff is good but it needs more pictures of fat furries having their giant sand-filled tits crushed by steam rollers." It's just fucking creepy. I know some of you old PoE folks will recall Kit 'n Kayboodle, a horrifying furry comic with cutesy Disney style art. Same principle.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Zsa Zsa on December 11, 2013, 05:04:07 pm
I missed your rants.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: eatenmyeyes on December 11, 2013, 05:05:54 pm
Nice try. Everyone here knows about your fetish for things that sorta sound like "enema"
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Goose Goose Honk At Me Now on December 11, 2013, 05:12:21 pm
- *fucking asterisk actions*:or *FLUFFLES YOUR HAIR AND POUNCEHUGGLES YOU MEEP MEW MEW O_O :3c*: It's never a teenager. The person will be at least 20 years old. portaxx, December 11, 2013, 03:57:24 pm
Just the right age to have discovered the internet in some degree of its current weirdness during their formative years! And probably at that peri- or post-college stage where they haven't quite figured out their fully three-dimensional personality yet!
(As a side note, Portaxx, "fat sheep falling off a cliff" always makes me think of the claymation sheep from the Wallace and Gromit shorts.)
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Triggerhappy938 on December 11, 2013, 05:13:28 pm
Jesus Slamdancing Christ.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Isfahan on December 11, 2013, 06:36:48 pm
I gave my bulb to Cyberventurer before Portaxx's post was up, but Portaxx's post needs all remaining bulbs.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Odd on December 11, 2013, 07:31:20 pm
Hey Portaxx could I commission a picture for my little sister?
She is really into Pokémon Y, she really likes F+ (Her favorite commenter is Toast) and your short animations so she may be thrilled by having a picture done by you. Since she is into Pokémon Y I was thinking that she would like a picture of Mareep trying to use the Move "Fly" but failing. Oh and make it really chubby, because she also likes Snorlax! What do you think would be the best way to illustrate that Mareep can't fly? Maybe using a cliff?
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Emperor Jack Chick on December 11, 2013, 08:51:46 pm
- People trying to trick you into drawing porn:or "Can you draw a fat sheep falling off a cliff... AS A JOKE??": Holy fucking mother of fucking fuck-hell, I fucking can not stand this. It's creepy as shit. And this happens all the goddamned time. Popular excuses are "oh I'm just fascinated by this stuff!", "I just think it would be fun!", and yes "It's just a funny joke!" Really? REALLY? A cat-man inflating like a balloon is a joke?? What the fuck, do you think I'm going to buy that?! Even if I wasn't in this podcast, my god, a human being can tell the difference between "JOKE" and "NOT A JOKE." What, do you go to open mic night and say "so yeah... WOMEN BEING TURNED INTO SHARKS AND THEY REALLY DON'T LIKE IT!... Amirite??"? Fuck off, you sick bastards. There's something to be said about the kind of person who tries to coyly trick you into participating in their masturbation sessions. Especially if they're doing it because they assume you'd decline if you knew what the situation really was. And ESPECIALLY if they're that goddamned inept at it. Oh, you won't draw their SFW porn? That's cool! They'll just track down your friends and try to trick them instead! Oh, and they'll namedrop you when they do it, too! Even though you turned them away! portaxx, December 11, 2013, 03:57:24 pm
Without going into too much detail, at my current job we get requests like this on a daily basis, except its photos. Some rando trying to tell me how innocuous his fetish pics are, and I'm just like "Do you even KNOW who I am?"
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Goose Goose Honk At Me Now on December 11, 2013, 09:26:51 pm
Without going into too much detail, at my current job we get requests like this on a daily basis, except its photos. jack-chick, December 11, 2013, 08:51:46 pm
Are you metal enough to actually work at a for-real nightmare factory?
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Post by: Baldr on December 11, 2013, 09:31:17 pm
- People demanding porn:or "IF YOU DON'T DRAW THIS I'M GOING TO MAKE YOUR LIFE MISERABLE, BITCH!"portaxx, December 11, 2013, 03:57:24 pm
Wow, I didn't think the internet had any more shock value left in it, but that's one of the most fucked up things I've ever heard of. I now understand why you thought it was ridiculous that I prefaced every commission request for my PowerPoint slides with, "I really hope I'm not bothering you."
You deserve all the bulbs.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Emperor Jack Chick on December 11, 2013, 10:38:47 pm
Without going into too much detail, at my current job we get requests like this on a daily basis, except its photos. jack-chick, December 11, 2013, 08:51:46 pm
I was, but then I imagined you saying that in the Death Metal Voice and now I'm not.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: PurpleXVI on December 11, 2013, 11:30:23 pm
Ok I'm kinda curious about de Lancie's reaction to the fandom. Do they show this in the documentary or are you referencing some after the fact interviews? Yossarian, December 10, 2013, 12:31:35 am
Apparently my information is out of date as John de Lancie is still making appearances at Bronycons. He may not have been as disturbed as I was led to believe after the documentary backlash. Ponies must write really good checks. Odd, December 10, 2013, 12:55:03 am
His character's also in the latest season so either A) really good paychecks, B) really solid contract or C) the VA's and other people working on MLP are actually not going to throw a shitfit and run away screaming just because of crazy fans.
And besides, de Lancie used to be on Star Trek, which for a long time pretty much set the gold standard for "insane fandom," if crazy fans were enough to scare him away, dude would be living a Unabomber-like existence in a hut on the fringes of nowhere right now.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: eatenmyeyes on December 11, 2013, 11:53:32 pm
His character's also in the latest season so either A) really good paychecks, B) really solid contract or C) the VA's and other people working on MLP are actually not going to throw a shitfit and run away screaming just because of crazy fans.
And besides, de Lancie used to be on Star Trek, which for a long time pretty much set the gold standard for "insane fandom," if crazy fans were enough to scare him away, dude would be living a Unabomber-like existence in a hut on the fringes of nowhere right now. PurpleXVI, December 11, 2013, 11:30:23 pm
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Moriarty on December 11, 2013, 11:57:31 pm
Ok I'm kinda curious about de Lancie's reaction to the fandom. Do they show this in the documentary or are you referencing some after the fact interviews? Yossarian, December 10, 2013, 12:31:35 am
Apparently my information is out of date as John de Lancie is still making appearances at Bronycons. He may not have been as disturbed as I was led to believe after the documentary backlash. Ponies must write really good checks. Odd, December 10, 2013, 12:55:03 am
His character's also in the latest season so either A) really good paychecks, B) really solid contract or C) the VA's and other people working on MLP are actually not going to throw a shitfit and run away screaming just because of crazy fans.
And besides, de Lancie used to be on Star Trek, which for a long time pretty much set the gold standard for "insane fandom," if crazy fans were enough to scare him away, dude would be living a Unabomber-like existence in a hut on the fringes of nowhere right now. PurpleXVI, December 11, 2013, 11:30:23 pm
Seriously. There's no way he went over two decades of dealing with Star Trek fans without someone presenting him with their wonderful artwork of Q fucking Picard / Troi / a shuttlecraft / etc. Probably a lot of someones, unfortunately.
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Post by: AlbieQuirky on December 11, 2013, 11:58:45 pm
It's sad how Bronies have made Trekkies look comparatively well-adjusted.
Oh, Portaxx, that rant was brilliant. I want to call it "The Lamentations of Portaxx" and add it to my bible.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on December 12, 2013, 02:00:57 am
HEY GUYS IT CAN'T BE MY PERSONAL TUMBLR IF I DON'T BASK IN ALL THIS ATTENTION, RIGHT?
Runic - I agree that it's pretty terrible, to be honest. And that is indeed without a doubt THE creepiest aspect of Kit n' Kay Boodle. Just all the raunchy sex talk with all the "derple doo hurr hurr imma singin' fox!" characters. Just... ugh. I think the reason weirdos gravitate towards my art is that they clearly see the Mario/Mega Man influence and see that I like drawing little dinosaur-monsters and well, boom, recipe for disaster. These are the kinds of people who, upon hearing that Yoshi's my favorite cartoon character, would tell me "omg I know right? The best vore character out there! Not to mention the egg-laying ;)" These are the types of sleazeballs we're dealing with, so it's very gross yet unsurprising that they approach me about this shit.
Zamza - Don't you worry none. Judging from my cartoon thread, I've got a lot of catching up to do.
eatenmyeyes - At first I was surprised you even knew who those two were, then I remembered you've been on Poetv, haha. I can totally swing that, actually. It'll be a few days but still!
Jack - I still watch every Youtube video you send me \m/
Healslime - Yeah, you politely asking for art for educational purposes is totally fine, especially compared to death threats for porn, hahaha. You'd have to kick up the crazy by about 9999999999999999999999999999% before you could even begin to bother me, guy! Plus FYI: your requests are amongst the most fulfilling, since I know they're being used for a very good cause. Jus' sayin'.
AND FOR EVERYONE:
See, I've been doing this stuff forever. It's not like one horrible instance drove me to feel this passionately about it. In my experience, it's always a cycle of crazy. You start off with a nut, the nut eventually leaves, and a new nut comes in to take its place. This can make things very stressful.
In all, posting art in and of itself isn't nightmarishly bad. And like I said a lot of the time, ignoring people does in fact work. Really the real trouble doesn't begin until you get stuck as "friends" with people like that. They message you, you choose to ignore their strangeness because you don't know what'll set people off, and then the fun begins. It's such a precarious position to be in, because then you've got someone messaging you and they really, really can not keep their weirdness to themselves. I mean stuff like "I have built my entire persona around masturbating to fat sheep falling off a cliff! XD" So you get someone talking to you and your not-goofy friends, and the little internetling can't stop talking about their jerkoff material because hey! Thaaaaat's the guy! That's that Fat Sheep Falling Off A Cliff Guy! Ohh boy, isn't it so quirky and fun and wacky that he pleasures himself to such strange material! Ha ha, oh what a card! Your normal friends start to get uncomfortable, meanwhile you feel like an ass because hey, the creeper showed up because of you.
What do you do at that point? I mean, you can't tell your friends "hey, STOP feeling uncomfortable around these folks! I mean sure they keep talking about their sexual quirks, but you have no right to feel upset about it!" Oh sure, that's what internet people will say to you, but you know better because you don't live under a rock buried beneath 500 copies of Sonic Adventure. Yeah maybe you can tell that explosive freak parade to stop it, but who knows, maybe they won't even listen to you. And maybe turning them away will start a saga of stalking and threats! Who's to say! It's the fucking internet and everyone is a lunatic!
It starts to affect the way you think. Yeah, these days you guys might know me as Portaxx, The Friendly Nerdy Ridiculist Who Makes A Stupid Whine Noise Every Time Lemon Interrupts Her Oh-So-Hilarious Final Fantasy Jokes (And They Are ALWAYS Hilarious), but I went through a time when I was super-aggravated with anyone who even thought about asking me for art or collaboration. You start to feel like you're in The Thing. You think "okay, which one of you will turn out to be a slobbering nightmare creature hellbent on my destruction? C'mon, I know one of you'll transform, so just get to it right quick and we can get this over with." You don't want to take a request because you assume it's for some gross mailing list. You don't want to collaborate with someone because you figure you'll be tied to some crazyporn gallery. You don't want to give a shout-out to a new artist because they haven't yet proven whether or not they'll be a maniacal stalker. No, I never shut myself into a panic room and jabbered about how the creepers were gonna get me, but I did spend quite some time being very, very cynical. Even when someone would politely leave a nice message about my art, in the back of my mind I'd think "uhhuh, and what's THIS asshole's story, hmm?" I've let go of some of that cynicism, though I am definitely not naive.
Personally, I have in fact refused to post art of certain characters or worlds just because I don't want that kind of trouble. It's not simply that "oh, someone out there will beat off to it." That's just an unfortunate fact you have to accept. Rather, it's that you have to worry about people thinking it's a nod to their community, because then you can get into that terrible cycle I just described. Those guys saying "Tolkien wrote about mud once... do you think he's a mud fetishist like us??" are commonplace online. But trust me, they don't simply sit around and wonder about different authors and artists. If they see your work and have a way to contact you, they will directly ask you "hey, you drew a picture of mud once!... are YOU a mud fetishist like me??" Then they of course pry open the screen door and holler for all their sinky friends to barge on in. Then what? Everything you do is seen as a clever little acknowledgement and whether you like it or not, you risk being lumped in with them. And since you're clearly SUCH good buddies with them, they will definitely come hassle your actual friends too. And then you're left wondering if you should ever post a picture of mud again, because who knows what the fuck trouble that'll cause.
Then you've got the ubercrazies. The stalkers, the conspiracy theorists, the people who over-monster cockyze your every move because everything you do is a sign that you're actually 30 Lucifers and a Hitler wearing an elaborate "regular human being going about their own goddamned business" costume. At this point you may be wondering if I'm even still talking about posting art online. The hell of it is yes, yes I am. It's not simply a matter of turning away commissions. If you post a picture people don't like, or you criticize someone's work, or you don't want to work with someone, you can get ten tons of trouble heaped upon you. Then months later you find out that ohhhh fun! The person you pissed off has actually been stalking you ever since! And then you get to hear the absolutely fucking crazy rumors about you. I've been called everything from a fatass to a murderer to a sociopathic manipulator, and in the end it's all come down to "ART MADE A PERSON MAD."
Now, the stalking is intensely creepy, but eventually it tends to fizzle out because I always find out about it at some point, regardless of which crazy person is trying to do it. The maniac du jeur is always out to "ruin you for the unforgivable sin of hurting my feelings," but the lovely part about it is they either have to keep it entirely to themselves (which means they failed just because an unspread rumor isn't particularly effective) or somewhere down the line, they end up talking to someone with an ounce of sense. It's like a fucking cartoon. Someone either realizes how absurd this is, or that the loonball's overreacting, or that there's no substantial evidence that proves I'm pure evil. Then the dissenter comes to me to get some, you know, facts, and I find out everything. In the comments for the multiples episode, I said that a phony's power diminishes as more people find out about their lies, and I know this because I've seen it firsthand. As soon as a stalker finds out I know everything and can prove them dead wrong, they whimper and slink off to lick their wounds while their echo chamber assures them that acting like an utter fucking mesmerizingly, fantastically, horrifically broken psychopath over goddamned internet art was totally the right move all along.
My point in all this isn't that these things will definitely happen to you. I'm sure a lot of people have only had nice experiences in posting artwork. Rather, these are the kinds of incidents you need to at least be mentally prepared for, because it can happen. The internet gives everyone a voice, and unfortunately for you, that means imbecilic shut-ins with no real human interaction and all the time in the world (in between frequent Tumblr breaks of course) have the power to worm their way into your life. You don't have to hide in a bomb shelter, but by god, be motherfucking ready.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Triggerhappy938 on December 12, 2013, 04:52:30 am
I have never been so happy that I cannot draw.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Yossarian on December 12, 2013, 09:53:01 am
- *fucking asterisk actions*:or *FLUFFLES YOUR HAIR AND POUNCEHUGGLES YOU MEEP MEW MEW O_O :3c*: It's never a teenager. The person will be at least 20 years old. portaxx, December 11, 2013, 03:57:24 pm
Just the right age to have discovered the internet in some degree of its current weirdness during their formative years! And probably at that peri- or post-college stage where they haven't quite figured out their fully three-dimensional personality yet!
(As a side note, Portaxx, "fat sheep falling off a cliff" always makes me think of the claymation sheep from the Wallace and Gromit shorts.) Cuddlekrampus, December 11, 2013, 05:12:21 pm
Oh my god I'm having flashbacks to the goddamn furry group..This one dude started PMing me one day after like 5 minutes talking about a game I was playing and decided to drag me off to bed to be his 'pillow'. Saying no does not work, so I finally just told him to go to hell. He started going around talking shit about me for months after that. Wow I forgot how fucking mad that group would make me every day. Excuse me while I go kick a hole in my wall.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/23/article-0-0CE08956000005DC-465_634x286.jpg) this is supposed to be one of those subliminal messages nobody notice this
His character's also in the latest season so either A) really good paychecks, B) really solid contract or C) the VA's and other people working on MLP are actually not going to throw a shitfit and run away screaming just because of crazy fans.
And besides, de Lancie used to be on Star Trek, which for a long time pretty much set the gold standard for "insane fandom," if crazy fans were enough to scare him away, dude would be living a Unabomber-like existence in a hut on the fringes of nowhere right now. PurpleXVI, December 11, 2013, 11:30:23 pm
Hey man at least Star Trek inspired a lot of scientists. MLP inspired some shithead to theorize on the physics of a cartoon horse hoof. I don't see bronies going into space. edit - I should probably work on my Trekkie doc soon
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: PurpleXVI on December 12, 2013, 10:50:31 am
Hey man at least Star Trek inspired a lot of scientists. MLP inspired some shithead to theorize on the physics of a cartoon horse hoof. I don't see bronies going into space. edit - I should probably work on my Trekkie doc soon Yossarian, December 12, 2013, 09:53:01 am
Come on now, don't be negative! Maybe if the Trekkies build a space elevator, it'll be economical to fire all of the crazy MLP fans, the crazy Doctor Who fans and all of the Homestuck fans into the sun.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: eatenmyeyes on December 12, 2013, 03:42:47 pm
His character's also in the latest season so either A) really good paychecks, B) really solid contract or C) the VA's and other people working on MLP are actually not going to throw a shitfit and run away screaming just because of crazy fans.
And besides, de Lancie used to be on Star Trek, which for a long time pretty much set the gold standard for "insane fandom," if crazy fans were enough to scare him away, dude would be living a Unabomber-like existence in a hut on the fringes of nowhere right now. PurpleXVI, December 11, 2013, 11:30:23 pm
Hey man at least Star Trek inspired a lot of scientists. MLP inspired some shithead to theorize on the physics of a cartoon horse hoof. I don't see bronies going into space. edit - I should probably work on my Trekkie doc soon Yossarian, December 12, 2013, 09:53:01 am
You might not be waiting too much longer. One of them attached a Rainbow Dash figure to a weather balloon. http://www.bubblews.com/assets/images/news/503369319_1340905311.jpg
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on December 13, 2013, 03:01:38 am
Also stupid factoids because I am an attentionwhore:
- The "summon Portaxx" sound effect is Twilight Sparkle's magical teleportation sound effect from the show. Because why not tie it all together? - There is a fanfiction based on "Rainbow Factory." It is about pegasus ponies making rainbows out of MURDERED PONIES YOU GUYS OMG!!!! SCARY!!!!! I considered throwing it into the doc, but it's not even hilariously bad, just poorly-written and boring. - For anyone saying "the 'elder god with a sexy voice' must be Discord," I'm really not sure if that's the case. The troper wrote "literal Nightmare fetishist," and the capitalization makes me think maybe he meant Nightmare Moon, the main villain from the series premiere. But that character wasn't an "elder god" so again, I have no goddamned clue. - It was decided that I'd come back during a brony episode because Boots and Lemon suggested "either a cartoony episode, a broken internet community only you could explain, or just something really, horribly gross." It took all of two seconds to realize there was a topic that actually fit all three themes simultaneously. - If you want the worst brony song ever, look up "This is Why I Clop" on Youtube. Uuuuuuggggghhhhhhh.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Goose Goose Honk At Me Now on December 13, 2013, 07:25:30 am
- There is a fanfiction based on "Rainbow Factory." It is about pegasus ponies making rainbows out of MURDERED PONIES YOU GUYS OMG!!!! portaxx, December 13, 2013, 03:01:38 am
Okay, here's a question. "Rainbow Factory" isn't a horrible piece of music, if you take out the lyrics. Why the fuck would anyone write a song and then a fanfiction based on the idea that rainbows come from cartoon ponies killing each other? (Moreover: "friendship is magic", it's RIGHT THERE IN THE TITLE OF THE SHOW, why aren't rainbows just powered by ponies being buddies? What the fuck.)
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: cyclopeantrash on December 13, 2013, 08:17:55 am
- For anyone saying "the 'elder god with a sexy voice' must be Discord," I'm really not sure if that's the case. The troper wrote "literal Nightmare fetishist," and the capitalization makes me think maybe he meant Nightmare Moon, the main villain from the series premiere. But that character wasn't an "elder god" so again, I have no goddamned clue. portaxx, December 13, 2013, 03:01:38 am
My theory is he's describing Queen Chrysalis. Only because she's the most like an elder god in the traditional sense. Yours is the more likely case though.
Okay, here's a question. "Rainbow Factory" isn't a horrible piece of music, if you take out the lyrics. Why the fuck would anyone write a song and then a fanfiction based on the idea that rainbows come from cartoon ponies killing each other? (Moreover: "friendship is magic", it's RIGHT THERE IN THE TITLE OF THE SHOW, why aren't rainbows just powered by ponies being buddies? What the fuck.) Cuddlekrampus, December 13, 2013, 07:25:30 am
Because they like to grimdark it up for some absurd reason. Maybe they can't stand the fact that a cartoon is bright, cheery, and optimistic. This is the community that made Fallout: Equestria after all.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: PurpleXVI on December 13, 2013, 09:13:50 am
Because they like to grimdark it up for some absurd reason. Maybe they can't stand the fact that a cartoon is bright, cheery, and optimistic. This is the community that made Fallout: Equestria after all. MicroMistletoe, December 13, 2013, 08:17:55 am
The only good result of these shitty grimdark fics is the guy who made a joke out of animated videos of riffs on these things, where the storyteller is an incompetent and easily distracted MLP character who usually gets the first act or so of the story relatively right but then lets things take a swing for the goofy. Probably not everyone's idea of a fun time, but I usually get a laugh out of them.
(Rainbow Dash Presents, if anyone cares, it's on YouTube.)
I still don't get the GRIMDARK crowd, though. If you want Grimdark, why watch MLP at all? Read fucking, I don't know, Rob Liefeld comics or play Warhammer 40k or something.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: chai tea latte on December 13, 2013, 09:43:38 am
I think you're both missing the point. They enjoy watching a show aimed at young girls, but they're also misogynists and view ~girl stuff~ as strictly lesser than ~boy stuff~, so they rationalize their conflicting worldview by saying it's DARK and COMPLEX and ACTUALLY A BOY THING. For more of the same, look at masculine names like "brony" or "/co/lt" and the continuous rambling about how it's secretly SO DEEP, because if it was actually just a silly cartoon made so little girls would buy specific plastic toy horses from Hasbro then they would look really silly. And since being a brony is such a part of their identity, they ~reject reality and substitute their own~.
It's not because they can't stand flowers and sunshine. It's because they hate women.1
1: they also hate gays2 2: and brown people3 3: and muslims
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: cyclopeantrash on December 13, 2013, 10:46:35 am
Their rampant misogyny and conservative ethics is the crux of the brony movement. Some sort of irony I suppose. That being said Friendship is Magic does have a modicum of universal appeal. Just not in any of the ways bronies seem to think.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Goose Goose Honk At Me Now on December 13, 2013, 11:57:35 am
It's becoming very weird to see MLP stuff in its proper context. I work across from a Five Below, and they have some merchandise, and the other day I found myself looking at a stuffed Rainbow Dash and thinking, "That's fucking adorable. I would have loved this as a little girl, because rainbows and magic and friends sticking together."
And then I remembered this episode and thought, "What the fuck is wrong with all those dudes?"
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Yossarian on December 13, 2013, 12:27:51 pm
did someone say grimdark
GET OUT OF HERE PONY
"I like to feel smart because I play a game based off an incredibly complex soviet novel but I forgot that the games depth is so easily ignored and the game itself is hardly more than a shooter unless you read the book... but PONIES MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER RIGHT GUYS THE SOVIETS LOVED PONIES"
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Zsa Zsa on December 13, 2013, 04:41:22 pm
I think Kal is on to something. If you're the kind of subtly homophobic bloke who divvies the world into masculine and feminine activities and you also happen to be nerdy and like watching cartoons, enjoying a show that so clearly caters for women is going to make you insanely insecure in your masculinity. The bronies attempt to manulate the show when they talk about it among themselves by injecting manly man themes into it like total war or apocalypse fiction purely in order to defend their self perception. When people criticize them, they sleep easier knowing that they're really into the grim and mature aspects of a cartoon for children, and thus they cannot be fags.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: KingKalamari on December 13, 2013, 05:49:11 pm
I think Kal is on to something. If you're the kind of subtly homophobic bloke who divvies the world into masculine and feminine activities and you also happen to be nerdy and like watching cartoons, enjoying a show that so clearly caters for women is going to make you insanely insecure in your masculinity. The bronies attempt to manulate the show when they talk about it among themselves by injecting manly man themes into it like total war or apocalypse fiction purely in order to defend their self perception. When people criticize them, they sleep easier knowing that they're really into the grim and mature aspects of a cartoon for children, and thus they cannot be fags. Zsa Zsa, December 13, 2013, 04:41:22 pm
That's really a driving force in the brony movement and a point I'd wanted to touch on. There's this sort of sub-movement amongst bronies of them trying to talk themselves up as "challenging traditional gender norms" (Because of course a bunch of sweaty nerds in fedoras watching a children's cartoon is equivalent to, say, women disguising themselves as men to serve in the military) but they're also usually the ones who go out of their way to try and present the show as being "Mature and sophisticated for mature and sophisticated individuals such as myself"
As part of the Nazi Brony doc I submitted I included a link to this flow chart some brony made (http://broniepologist.deviantart.com/art/Bronie-Sociological-monster cockysis-Flowchart-267486038?offset=10) as a crash course in the general insanity of the fandom (Before delving into a very special individual that combined cartoon horses with white supremacy). The portion of it I want to call special attention to is the little bubble about the original My Little Pony animated cartoons from the 80s and 90s:
G1-G3 Old versions of MLP. Very small fraction of Bronies care for it due to its femininity, lack of intelligence and maturity. Plays a very small role in Brony culture
Emphasis mine. It's pretty indicative of the entire Brony mindset: MLP can't be for girls because it's not poorly written. They equate feminine with bad and since they don't think MLP is bad it obviously can't be feminine.
And that's sort of the part of bronies as a whole that kind of piss me off so much: It's one thing to enjoy something that is not aimed at your target demographic (I'm a guy who loves the fuck out of children's cartoons after all), it's another thing entirely to try and completely take that thing over and try and kick out the people it was originally created for. Cartoons for girls are, frankly, crap. And it's not because of their target demographic: It's because the companies making them don't give a shit. They put all of their resources into stuff marketed to boys but when it comes time to make shit for girls they just figure "Just shove some shoes and rainbows and shit in their, the little bitches'll eat it up". The new MLP series was actually kind of a cool thing in that it was a cartoon made for girls aged 6-12 that actually made some efforts to be a decent cartoon in its own right rather than a 22 minute commercial (It still was a 22 minute commercial, but it was one that gave a shit). That's actually a pretty big step in the right direction and one that could potentially lead to better cartoons for little girls.
Then cue the Bronies waltzing on in: They take a look at the cartoon, like it and immediately decide that this cartoon is no longer for little girls: It's for them. They build this whole stupid movement around it, extoll the virtues of how masculline and refined it is and then have the gall to paint themselves as heroes for "Going against gender roles". Claiming that the show is actually made for them, the adult male nerds, does a pretty big disservice to the cartoon's original target market and, even worse, just sort of helps to reinforce the idea that girls cartoons have to be crap and that pisses me off. It's basically the equivalent of walking up to some kid playing with an RC car and saying "Hey, that's a neat toy...I think I'll take it!"
As an aside I am also constantly amused by the fact that if you bring up the fact that MLP is a cartoon for six year old girls Bronies will single-mindedly focus on the girls part while completely ignoring the six years old part. Because they have no problem with people knowing they watch children's cartoons but how dare you say it's for girls!
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: eatenmyeyes on December 13, 2013, 06:23:16 pm
G1-G3 Old versions of MLP. Very small fraction of Bronies care for it due to its femininity, lack of intelligence and maturity. Plays a very small role in Brony culture
Emphasis mine. It's pretty indicative of the entire Brony mindset: MLP can't be for girls because it's not poorly written. They equate feminine with bad and since they don't think MLP is bad it obviously can't be feminine.
And that's sort of the part of bronies as a whole that kind of piss me off so much: It's one thing to enjoy something that is not aimed at your target demographic (I'm a guy who loves the fuck out of children's cartoons after all), it's another thing entirely to try and completely take that thing over and try and kick out the people it was originally created for. Cartoons for girls are, frankly, crap. And it's not because of their target demographic: It's because the companies making them don't give a shit. They put all of their resources into stuff marketed to boys but when it comes time to make shit for girls they just figure "Just shove some shoes and rainbows and shit in their, the little bitches'll eat it up". The new MLP series was actually kind of a cool thing in that it was a cartoon made for girls aged 6-12 that actually made some efforts to be a decent cartoon in its own right rather than a 22 minute commercial (It still was a 22 minute commercial, but it was one that gave a shit). That's actually a pretty big step in the right direction and one that could potentially lead to better cartoons for little girls.
Then cue the Bronies waltzing on in: They take a look at the cartoon, like it and immediately decide that this cartoon is no longer for little girls: It's for them. They build this whole stupid movement around it, extoll the virtues of how masculline and refined it is and then have the gall to paint themselves as heroes for "Going against gender roles". Claiming that the show is actually made for them, the adult male nerds, does a pretty big disservice to the cartoon's original target market and, even worse, just sort of helps to reinforce the idea that girls cartoons have to be crap and that pisses me off. It's basically the equivalent of walking up to some kid playing with an RC car and saying "Hey, that's a neat toy...I think I'll take it!"
As an aside I am also constantly amused by the fact that if you bring up the fact that MLP is a cartoon for six year old girls Bronies will single-mindedly focus on the girls part while completely ignoring the six years old part. Because they have no problem with people knowing they watch children's cartoons but how dare you say it's for girls! KingKalamari, December 13, 2013, 05:49:11 pm
Yet another reason why I don't associate with most of them. Headless Horse wrote an article that addresses some of your points from a different angle. http://www.roundstable.com/2013/02/04/im-a-brony-and-im-sorry/ The blog is currently down, but Google has it cached.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: count_actuala on December 14, 2013, 07:19:06 am
Yet another reason why I don't associate with most of them. Headless Horse wrote an article that addresses some of your points from a different angle. http://www.roundstable.com/2013/02/04/im-a-brony-and-im-sorry/ The blog is currently down, but Google has it cached. eatenmyeyes, December 13, 2013, 06:23:16 pm
Perhaps most visibly, The Brony Thank You Project succeeded in its goal two months ago of airing a TV spot thanking the show’s staff and the Hub for creating My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. An eye-opening, perhaps unprecedented move, to be sure, but we can all relate to the motivation behind it. I’m hardly immune; at last summer’s BronyCon, I slipped through the crowd and behind a divider to catch Lauren Faust’s attention, just before she began her first autograph session—to introduce myself, to shake her hand and offer my own expression of appreciation
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: LowBatteryLife on December 21, 2013, 07:35:42 pm
Got to the point where people were messaging the creator on DA with the vital intelligence that porn is being made as we speak of their pony-form. Then I took a whiskey break. When my family throws an intervention I'm blaming you, F+.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Runic on December 21, 2013, 07:46:32 pm
It's a fair cop.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on December 21, 2013, 07:58:32 pm
Got to the point where people were messaging the creator on DA with the vital intelligence that porn is being made as we speak of their pony-form. Then I took a whiskey break. When my family throws an intervention I'm blaming you, F+. LowBatteryLife, December 21, 2013, 07:35:42 pm
I only wish to spread misery. And if I ever get around to finishing the doc I started on, I can make you all as unhappy as I've been making Lemon a few days ago...
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Lemon on December 21, 2013, 08:32:52 pm
And if I ever get around to finishing the doc I started on, I can make you all as unhappy as I've been making Lemon a few days ago... portaxx, December 21, 2013, 07:58:32 pm
No!
Fuck you, no. No.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: LowBatteryLife on December 21, 2013, 08:45:47 pm
Oh, Lemon. I imagine it must be hard finding material horrible enough to be fascinating and bring in listeners, but not so horrible it makes you lose your will to live. For the record, I put off tendollars-ing the site for a while because the episodes of late hadn't been that interesting. But suddenly, content! Schadenfreude galore! So. You have to think, 'Is my despair worth ten whole dollars?' And if the answer is yes... call portaxx.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: chai tea latte on December 21, 2013, 08:47:50 pm
Fuck yeah, I'm excited for this terrible portaxx episode.
e: I think the last few episodes have been plenty interesting, though if the plushophile episode didn't incite despair in you maybe it's worth a re-listen.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: LowBatteryLife on December 21, 2013, 09:11:14 pm
Kal-Elk The self-absorbed teenagers and the self-absorbed teenagers with typewriters didn't really hold my interest. I don't really remember them that well? It's a blur.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on December 21, 2013, 11:02:05 pm
And if I ever get around to finishing the doc I started on, I can make you all as unhappy as I've been making Lemon a few days ago... portaxx, December 21, 2013, 07:58:32 pm
It's not that. It's the other thing I showed you. Less infuriating, more creepy and gross.
You're welcome, internet.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: cyclopeantrash on December 21, 2013, 11:16:16 pm
And if I ever get around to finishing the doc I started on, I can make you all as unhappy as I've been making Lemon a few days ago... portaxx, December 21, 2013, 07:58:32 pm
No, no, THEY FOUND IT! The nonconsensual furniture rearrangement erotica! And it's worse than anyone could have ever dreamed... TheCrawlingChaos, December 22, 2013, 12:07:05 am
God, I fucking hope so.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on December 22, 2013, 07:22:59 pm
All of you are wrong.
Here's an unhelpful clue! I wish to bring back the "focus on a single twit" tag!
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Odd on December 22, 2013, 10:31:22 pm
I completely forgot I had this stored in one of my many folders of sundry unsortable internet horrors. I have not one but TWO THREE sequels from the guy who wrote to that other guy about how Twilight Sparkle is his wife and others shouldn't masturbate to her.
First, his facebook response to the popularity of his letter. http://i44.tinypic.com/21l91lf.png (http://i44.tinypic.com/21l91lf.png) In retrospect he regrets NOTHING.
And then this. Where he shows 4chan how much he loves Twilight Sparkle. In a completely NSFW way. "Based on another reading I have a good idea of what makes that Twilight Sparkle plushy 'custom'." In a surprise twist I don't think he made a S.P.H. but I can't be sure from the angle of the pictures. However he has created something which is more impressive in many ways. http://i40.tinypic.com/se2lg3.jpg (http://i40.tinypic.com/se2lg3.jpg) Again, this one is NSFW. You can actually see the curvature of his belly, if you catch my drift.
EDIT: Wait, one more. This one is completely safe for work. http://i42.tinypic.com/dvhqud.jpg (http://i42.tinypic.com/dvhqud.jpg) This is nothing special. Just him being what I believe is his usual self.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: chai tea latte on December 23, 2013, 01:42:04 am
First, his facebook response to the popularity of his letter. http://i44.tinypic.com/21l91lf.png (http://i44.tinypic.com/21l91lf.png)Odd, December 22, 2013, 10:31:22 pm
Hmm, okay, what do we have h
It's really unfortunate that someone decided to send this to Tara Strong, as she has almost no connection to Twilight Sparkle whatsoever as far as I'm concerned. To me she's just a voice actor who can make her voice sound like my partner's and there's really no connection past that. So I think it's a shame that someone decided to drag her into it.
for fuck's sake
EDIT: Wait, one more. This one is completely safe for work. http://i42.tinypic.com/dvhqud.jpg (http://i42.tinypic.com/dvhqud.jpg) This is nothing special. Just him being what I believe is his usual self.
literally terrifying.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: 🍆 on December 27, 2013, 02:53:59 am
I realized something during the last segment. Terrible fanbases do more than just shame regular fans, they basically kill their source material.
Tiny Toons - supposedly cancelled at least in part due to creepy fans Invader Zim - cancelled, and from what I've heard the creator has no love for its fanbase MLP - I know Lauren Faust isn't involved anymore, and I'm guessing eventually more and more people involved will slowly slip away
You could add Homestuck too. Andrew Hussie deciding to write the rest of the story and wait to release it has effectively killed the fandom, which I suspect is intentional.
I guess it goes to show, some things are more important than money. Like not having to deal with annoying assholes.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: montrith on December 27, 2013, 03:38:32 am
I used to read Hussie's Ask blog from time to time, and all I can say is I completely understand his desire to give a big "Fuck you" to his fanbase. A more self-entitled, whiny group of nerds is hard to find.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: One Of The Crappy Pokemon That Nobody Likes on December 27, 2013, 03:40:28 am
I realized something during the last segment. Terrible fanbases do more than just shame regular fans, they basically kill their source material.
Tiny Toons - supposedly cancelled at least in part due to creepy fans Invader Zim - cancelled, and from what I've heard the creator has no love for its fanbase MLP - I know Lauren Faust isn't involved anymore, and I'm guessing eventually more and more people involved will slowly slip away
You could add Homestuck too. Andrew Hussie deciding to write the rest of the story and wait to release it has effectively killed the fandom, which I suspect is intentional.
I guess it goes to show, some things are more important than money. Like not having to deal with annoying assholes. Garbage Dacey, December 27, 2013, 02:53:59 am
I have never read Homestuck, but I've seen bits and pieces of it and my god it is always hilarious when Hussie messes with the fanbase. For a while it seemed like every other day, idiot fans would make some kind of "FUCK NO ANDREW HUSSIE!!!!!" post... sandwiched in between dozens of shipping fanart for the comic, of course.
As for Tiny Toons, I have to wonder how much of that story is true. Now, it's known that Quozl (the furry in question) was indeed unnaturally obsessed with Babs Bunny and wished to express that... "love"... to Tress MacNeille. But when I was in school, I really did personally ask a former TT animator about that story and whether or not it contributed to the cancellation of the show. After a short rant about how "vile and disgusting" furries were* he said that he'd never heard about the stalking, and in his opinion, the show was likely canned simply because cartoons eventually get cancelled at some point. According to him, the show had been on for a while and at that point the higher-ups simply saw a drop in profits and didn't renew it.
As awful as fans can be, I suspect they don't affect things quite as much as it'd seem. Sure, they'll ruin a few things and some creators will block comments or take down forums to get rid of them. But for the most part I think a lot of entertainers just try to put them out of their minds and keep on keepin' on.
Now, I say that and yet I feel that this will change in the coming years. As creators become more accessible, horrible fans are starting to overstep their boundaries more and more (the Supernatural stars are quite aware of their fandom, for example) and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we got a few high profile stalking cases in the future. Some nut or two will truly have no idea that their creepiness is off-putting and wrong, and then Trinket Vaginer will strike. Hussie's behavior towards his fans is a good indicator of things to come, I think.
* Yeah, sorry kids, but a lot of animators don't think "the fuzzies" are just cute and cuddly costume partiers. The rage in that guy's rant was fucking majestic and I wish I could have recorded it, transcribed it, and put it on a golden plaque.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: chai tea latte on December 27, 2013, 05:05:56 am
The best thing about homestuck is that for probably a couple of thousand pages now Hussie has been abundantly clear about how much he dislikes the fanbase, including adding fourteen characters who exist largely to symbolize their general failings as people (dancestors/cherubs). And they don't fucking get it! He even did a thing where he said all Trickster Mode characters (don't ask) were canonically Caucasian, which upset people who'd been circlejerking over ~how inclusive it was~ more or less just because he thought it would be funny.
Lots of terrible people in the fandom talk about how they can't read the comic anymore because it's so problematic now, and they don't disavow liking it, they somehow like it in spite of its creator. And it has that thing internet shutins gravitate to, where you can make an Original Character Donut Steel with a few palette swaps in a doll program and talk about how your fantroll is so special and wonderful and has the best blood colour and would be moirails with everyone and sparkle fucking sparkle, because you've found a shortcut to skip out on coming up with anything that could possibly be construed as a rounded character by a half-blind tortoise with no conception of the idea of a Mary Sue, and then you can go to a convention or whatthefuckever and sexually assault strangers and get that fucking grey Ben Nye body paint all over everything and it's all cool, it's all fine, your internet hugbox justifies your terrible fucking opinions. Homestuck's fandom is the fucking worst, and I say this fully knowing I'm posting in the thread for the brony episode.
(And then there's the weird appropriation of gnostic mysticism and the actual earnest wannabe juggalos and the fucking assholes who misappropriate genuine activist terminology to explain why none of the characters could possibly be non-white and through it all, there's actually some really neat fan stuff out there too, and sometimes it's almost worth it. It isn't, though, not really.)
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: montrith on December 27, 2013, 07:16:54 am
Homestuck seems to share quite a lot with MLP, in that both have some genuinely talented people involved in the fandom producing quality fanworks, but these individuals are hugely overshadowed by the creepy nerds who appropriate everything in the original to reflect their own interests and shut-in point of view. The only thing that makes HS fans slightly better than bronies is that the official community has very strict rules about art involving minors in sexual situations, as well as minor/adult pairings. Sure, that stuff still exists in Tumblr and other shitholes like that, but at least nobody is openly campaigning for their moral right to draw inflation vore porn about 12-year-olds.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Bobalay on December 27, 2013, 07:08:40 pm
Can we have Trinket Vaginer become the F Plus's version of Philomena Cunk?
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: 🍆 on December 28, 2013, 01:31:55 am
They almost parallel in a way.
MLP is a very simple show* aimed at youngsters, with an adult fanbase that overmonster cockyzes everything, churns out grimdark and edgy fanworks, and basically believes their series is secretly a super intelligent masterpiece with unseen depth.
Homestuck is a comically overplotted series aimed at, I would estimate, a 17+ at least audience, with a teenage fanbase that skips/ignores any part of the story that doesn't involve shipping or feels.
*I've only seen a few eps, and wasn't really paying attention, so maybe there is some kind of long-ranging arc I didn't pick up on.
Also, while HS fans might not be quite as pervy, they can definitely be entitled too. Back when I actually paid attention to such things I saw a few instances of people getting really huffy and mad that they were asked not to sell their own merchandise based on the series, like character outfits, troll horns, etc. Because if the official store isn't selling them RIGHT NOW, the fans have a right to the intellectual property!
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: EYE OF ZA on December 28, 2013, 06:39:48 am
Poor idea of intellectual property rights is a problem among nerds in general.
From Anthony Clark's (Nedroid) tumblr:
(http://i.imgur.com/VnabqYs.jpg)
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: KingKalamari on December 28, 2013, 12:00:38 pm
Oh lord the stories I could tell about Homestuck fans: I have been following this thing since it started and I have seen some shit. A convention banning cosplay because Homestuck fans are socially ill-adapted morons; that alternate fan-universe thing where everyone is fat and fucks each other; that weird, psuedo-ironic mpreg concept album; the infamous video of a bunch of troll cosplayers spitting into a communal bucket at a sushi restaurant; the list goes on.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: 🍆 on December 28, 2013, 09:34:04 pm
Absolutely true, but we are comparing them with bronies here. It's one of those "dropping a 10-pound rock on your foot is not as bad as having it crushed in a hydraulic press" comparisons.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Triggerhappy938 on January 04, 2014, 02:13:44 am
I have this really bad habit of getting into things with horrible fans. I love both Invader Zim and Homestuck, but I won't touch anything resembling an online community for either with a 10 foot pole.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Runic on January 04, 2014, 05:11:10 pm
I'll one up you, I'm both a Christian and a Socialist. At least the Bronies haven't set up any motherfucking gulags.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: chai tea latte on January 04, 2014, 05:32:48 pm
My dad's fandom could totally beat up your dad's fandom.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Runic on January 04, 2014, 06:06:36 pm
That has been the premise of a rather distressing number of wars, historically speaking.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: NutshellGulag on January 05, 2014, 11:25:27 pm
I'll one up you, I'm both a Christian and a Socialist. At least the Bronies haven't set up any motherfucking gulags. Runic, January 04, 2014, 05:11:10 pm
Hey now!
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Triggerhappy938 on January 10, 2014, 03:08:27 am
I'll one up you, I'm both a Christian and a Socialist. At least the Bronies haven't set up any motherfucking gulags. Runic, January 04, 2014, 05:11:10 pm
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: PurpleXVI on January 10, 2014, 08:26:40 pm
Homestuck seems to share quite a lot with MLP, in that both have some genuinely talented people involved in the fandom producing quality fanworks, but these individuals are hugely overshadowed by the creepy nerds who appropriate everything in the original to reflect their own interests and shut-in point of view. The only thing that makes HS fans slightly better than bronies is that the official community has very strict rules about art involving minors in sexual situations, as well as minor/adult pairings. Sure, that stuff still exists in Tumblr and other shitholes like that, but at least nobody is openly campaigning for their moral right to draw inflation vore porn about 12-year-olds. montrith, December 27, 2013, 07:16:54 am
As far as I recall, canonically, literally every main character in Homestuck is 13 or 14 years old, so pretty much ALL of their porn and shipping is of that stripe, whether the "official community" has strict rules about it or not.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: montrith on January 11, 2014, 04:40:19 am
As far as I recall, canonically, literally every main character in Homestuck is 13 or 14 years old, so pretty much ALL of their porn and shipping is of that stripe, whether the "official community" has strict rules about it or not.
Oh, I'm not denying that people make creepy art about 14 year olds. I'm just saying that the official forum has a "absolutely no porny stuff" policy when it comes to underage characters. Pictures of characters hugging=okay, pictures of characters in their underwear=not okay.
The fandom is still shit though.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: fluffy on January 11, 2014, 01:29:49 pm
This reminds me of the Tenchi Muyo fandom, who often go to great lengths to justify drawing porn of Sasami, who is 7 years old. Usually it's on the basis of how in one of the (many) versions of the story, she was in cryosleep for several hundred years, so "chronologically" she's several hundred years old. Or because she was killed and brought back to life by the spirit of a goddess, so therefore she's really an immortal goddess. As if any of that changes the fact that she has the body and brain of a 7-year-old girl.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Sherlockian on January 11, 2014, 02:47:59 pm
This reminds me of the Tenchi Muyo fandom, who often go to great lengths to justify drawing porn of Sasami, who is 7 years old. Usually it's on the basis of how in one of the (many) versions of the story, she was in cryosleep for several hundred years, so "chronologically" she's several hundred years old. Or because she was killed and brought back to life by the spirit of a goddess, so therefore she's really an immortal goddess. As if any of that changes the fact that she has the body and brain of a 7-year-old girl. fluffy, January 11, 2014, 01:29:49 pm
To be fair to Homestucks, most of the characters are actually 16 or so by the end of the comic (so far). I'd compare it to Harry Potter instead-- a long running series that starts with prepubescent characters but ends with characters in their late teens.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: crow on February 16, 2014, 08:38:28 pm
The difference between Homestuck and MLP is that Homestuck fans are girls on tumblr and bronies are guys on tumblr. World of difference.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: count_actuala on February 22, 2014, 08:44:09 pm
The difference between Homestuck and MLP is that Homestuck fans are girls on tumblr and bronies are guys on tumblr. World of difference. Smoking Crow, February 16, 2014, 08:38:28 pm
Yeah, pretty much. It's kind of like how I see the Supernatural and Waifu episodes as sister entities.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: A Meat on February 23, 2014, 01:25:09 am
What I'm learning from this discussion is that the Touhou fandom is pretty much half MLP fandom and half Homestuck fandom, 'cause it's both girls and guys on tumblr. On the MLP side there are a shitload of female characters that are easily distinguished by an outside characteristic, and tons of remixes of the music. But on the Homestuck hand, lots of people who are part of the fandom haven't actually experienced the source material, just like with some Homestuck fandom people, and the source material is in a shitload of mediums, just like Homestuck.
Also, just like both fandoms, people just fucking love drawing/writing porn of underage characters (or underage-looking, no difference).
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Kaleidoscope on December 31, 2015, 11:56:12 pm
I'm listening to this again (it's one of my faveorite episodes) and I remember the guy who sent that letter to kevin. When I was in the fandom (yes, I ashamed) this guy was considered to be weird even by brony standards. I think that got me is like this guy thinks he owns Twilight in some weird way. Okay, you have a crush on Twilight Sparkle. Alright. I've had crushes on animated charecters before but how can you even consider getting married to one? Why would you want to anyways? You can't hug or kiss a cartoon charecter. They're not real!
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Zekka on January 01, 2016, 12:21:56 pm
A friend of mine came up with a novel solution to the problem of being asked to draw horrible fetish art -- she sends the requests to me and I do horrible photoshops instead.
Some guy was really obsessed with a particular Steven Universe character being drawn with dog ears, so I produced this: http://i.imgur.com/3Hk4ZIS.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/3Hk4ZIS.jpg) .
That guy is also a huge fan of my music but all he asks me to do is more dubstep. Up until recently I didn't think dubstep was a fetish, but I've been informed by ff.net that it is.
Title: Episode 118: My Little Podcast: Fandom Is Tragic
Post by: Kaleidoscope on January 01, 2016, 02:14:28 pm
A friend of mine came up with a novel solution to the problem of being asked to draw horrible fetish art -- she sends the requests to me and I do horrible photoshops instead.
Some guy was really obsessed with a particular Steven Universe character being drawn with dog ears, so I produced this: http://i.imgur.com/3Hk4ZIS.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/3Hk4ZIS.jpg) .
That guy is also a huge fan of my music but all he asks me to do is more dubstep. Up until recently I didn't think dubstep was a fetish, but I've been informed by ff.net that it is. Zekka, January 01, 2016, 12:21:56 pm
This idea is brilliant and more people should do this.