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Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Lemon on April 09, 2019, 11:45:32 am
Hi there!

I dunno if you're aware, but there is the ability add chapters to podcasts (https://chaptersapp.com/faq/). I first noticed this in ShopTalk (https://shoptalkshow.com/), and support for the thing is getting wider. If we had enough episodes with chapters in them, I'd be interested in changing thefpl.us' own interface in order to support it.

But that means having someone do the manual entry of marking those chapters. So I thought I'd ask for volunteers to see if anyone is interested.

If you have a Mac there's two options that look really good. Forecast (https://overcast.fm/forecast) by the Overcast team, and Chapters (https://chaptersapp.com/) by this Swedish guy (https://twitter.com/bjoreman). Both look nice. If you felt like playing with one of them and sending me the results I would very much appreciate it.

If you don't have a Mac the options are much more shitty. The only thing I've found is something called Podreel (http://podreel.com/), which costs $25, looks ugly (I genuinely don't know if it supports Windows 10) and the third question in the FAQ (http://podreel.com/support) is "What is podcast?" If you can find something better, hooooray that would be great. If you want to try to suffer through Podreel let me know.

No matter what if you're interested, let me know. Thank you.
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: ikaribattousai on April 09, 2019, 11:52:29 am
I am interested and I have a Mac. What are you looking for in terms of how chapters would be laid out?
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Lemon on April 09, 2019, 11:55:06 am
I am interested and I have a Mac. What are you looking for in terms of how chapters would be laid out?
ikaribattousai, April 09, 2019, 11:52:29 am

I think download the episode of your choice and break it into whatever sections make sense for that episode. I'm guessing the actual breakdown of chapters will change episode to episode, but just mark up every natural break?
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: THE CURSE OF THE WITCH OF THE MUMMY'S TOMB on April 09, 2019, 11:58:49 pm
One episode's got some already!

(https://thefpl.us/content/10-fanart/138-sanguinarynovel.png)
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Lemon on April 10, 2019, 11:31:56 am
Used that one as example for a test, worked out really well.

(https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3413200/55896201-5ff13f00-5b83-11e9-846b-9e8a731f8f78.png)
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Ambious on April 10, 2019, 12:22:25 pm
Used that one as example for a test, worked out really well.

(https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3413200/55896201-5ff13f00-5b83-11e9-846b-9e8a731f8f78.png)
Lemon, April 10, 2019, 11:31:56 am

The real hard part is probably going to be coming up with chapter names.
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Dr. Buttplug on April 10, 2019, 04:47:31 pm
Used that one as example for a test, worked out really well.

(https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3413200/55896201-5ff13f00-5b83-11e9-846b-9e8a731f8f78.png)
Lemon, April 10, 2019, 11:31:56 am

The real hard part is probably going to be coming up with chapter names.
Ambious, April 10, 2019, 12:22:25 pm

Thats the easy part. If there arent sections in the source doc then you label them stuff like "Lemon says Frenulum a lot"
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: ikaribattousai on April 10, 2019, 05:37:11 pm
I did episode 231. How do you want me to send it to you?

EDIT: I did episode 280 as well.
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Lemon on April 11, 2019, 10:52:06 am
Yay!

Okay, so thanks to ikaribattousai, we now have 3 episodes chaptered up.
I need some time to play with the design tweaks to get this working right on the website (and hopefully get some more episodes supported while I'm at it), but what I can tell you is that this is working in the podcast players that support mp3 chaptering. Here the Slearth episode in PocketCasts for Android.

(https://i.imgur.com/rURkh58.png)

So, give any of those 3 episodes a try in whatever podcast app you use and see if you can skip sections. And meantime, please do send me chapter notes for more episodes.
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: ikaribattousai on April 11, 2019, 04:49:18 pm
I don't know if I'm the only person working on this, but if there are others we might want a specific thread for coordinating which episodes we're working on so we can deconflict. Should we just do it in here or would another thread/sub-forum be better?
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: birdie on April 11, 2019, 05:11:42 pm
I'm giving it a stab with 187 tonight, just a heads up.
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Dr. Buttplug on April 11, 2019, 08:34:53 pm
Listening to 231 right now on Podcast Republic and it appears to work fine.
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Bobguinary Novel on April 11, 2019, 09:36:34 pm
Gonna chapter episode 1 and every fifteen minutes will be a chapter with the title "Please stop listening to this" and "...you're still listening?!", ending with "DID APOLLO SEND YOU?"
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: ikaribattousai on April 11, 2019, 10:21:35 pm
I've done episode 301 as well.
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: birdie on April 12, 2019, 12:08:27 am
is 17 chapters too many? the other option is 10
also how do I turn this in

edit: also did 188, it has 14 chapters which I find acceptable
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: ikaribattousai on April 12, 2019, 07:27:12 am
is 17 chapters too many? the other option is 10
also how do I turn this in

edit: also did 188, it has 14 chapters which I find acceptable
birdie, April 12, 2019, 12:08:27 am

A lot of mine have 16 or 17. I email them to Lemon with the chapter titles and time stamps in text in the email body.

lemon@thefpl.us
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: birdie on April 12, 2019, 11:27:58 am
Sent 187 and 188. Starting 189 shortly~
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Down10 on April 12, 2019, 11:51:38 am
I could possibly help, as I have a Mac. Any standards or practices you'd like to keep? Any formatting style we should follow?
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: birdie on April 12, 2019, 12:27:08 pm
I could possibly help, as I have a Mac. Any standards or practices you'd like to keep? Any formatting style we should follow?
Down10, April 12, 2019, 11:51:38 am
I've been aiming for 10-15 chapters, mostly based off the doc's sections. "introduction" and "what did we learn?" are also standard in mine.
Titles are default all lowercase no punctuation, but occasionally there's CAPS FOR EMPHASIS or a punctuation mark.
116kbps is ideal (I'm using 128 because it's the closest option in forecast).
Then I send the file as an attachment to lemon@thefpl.us, with the email body being a list of times and chapter titles in order.
Want to edit metadata? Here's Lemon's example:
(https://gm1.ggpht.com/i8cv58QnHcTl7j3zCN7ZyH64scrwKavVqarldOpLZZOyNZswrWeDKhHd9Pw6i62fGnKtvQfFfWCr-2xdMW9jwbLU3Gq06akSh6kMlaMRWiZWqCSRC1kRifvFKLks9HsEUVo5Wd73tME7DNbTGz-sdEG7uNoU7nVZ3Ssk4ou0zRzisgJSC1th1-3hKrdcv97IkDGVSwQOGKGpQz7uZTolN6VIcVey0i37JRgSF1kr6CcNUBh0GorRrs7k6tFBapLhRp-t1b8jSfIlDCYYgLKJUgHTvbGs8zJTAsFIbwwb6iWdHctl3KvoM_xi0GeylL4J9txVHDdubtv1WbvfAvXGMPAGuDsQQ1MoVW1rjxAMG_UtknKVHBPF6no5iAkjLTQWtAVhZGU0HAl8DtMXn3J7y6AaFr06g__mHobm5rFh-Y6qR4ULBDpgLnREfyWBX6vF9_dAO87_AMkXKuL7iQ74B2jfbtTWtY-oQPAn51EKKSkb2mLjD9MJXY7JUQ541NhDcRu3SEinr7hJfadijKga3erzmqV0b3E9Ifj2lujSjiQ_IyfouXxvmV3xP8k8rmb7-Y9HjRDa5-ZVU07XIX-r4lsSFqc3nKDAqTVruCoPkRcbEzoo7XuMs33jlUKuJr4YJ1xIctVaS4p_xIpVoyJ3rklvgsma69XDPMmMsUAF2enZOT3oBNODjsal8ylcMT5HNpAyOL5N_enmopa1BCLhkN8Xfi4fX4qGCnUVG8I=s0-l75-ft-l75-ft)
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Lemon on April 12, 2019, 12:59:55 pm
Yeah, I don't really have a style guide for chapters. I feel like if you feel like doing chaptering, just do whatever seems appropriate to you, as far as how many and naming conventions. But do please encode your MP3 back at 112kbps (or whatever is closest to it), and for episode metadata:

Title: Title (without # or the word "episode", eg: Stuffed Full of Fantasy)
Artist: The F Plus
Album: [the year the episode was released]
Year: [the year the episode was released]
Track: [episode number]
-in the case of non-standard episodes, I kind of wing it. For example, there's an "album" called "F Plus Live", and each recording is a chronological track number of that. So fplus_live_4a.mp3 is album F Plus Live, track 8
Genre: Podcast
Comment: thefpl.us
Composer [whoever edited this specific episode]
Album Artist: The F Plus [this is probably unnecessary]

I just tested and found out that you can take an episode with chapters and process it thru mp3tag and it'll keep the chapter info.
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Down10 on April 12, 2019, 01:21:20 pm
Is there a spreadsheet for us to track work, in case we don't end up doing the same episodes? Just a Google Doc or something.
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: ikaribattousai on April 12, 2019, 01:24:51 pm
Is there a spreadsheet for us to track work, in case we don't end up doing the same episodes? Just a Google Doc or something.
Down10, April 12, 2019, 01:21:20 pm

I've just been pouring the episodes I've been doing in this thread, but maybe later I can start a Google Sheet for it.
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: birdie on April 12, 2019, 08:08:59 pm
I got impatient and made a gdoc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MMkI0ahNvO_o9BjKK09jzMbb5ve8mMPGgLYyL0mqa-4/edit?usp=sharing
Feel free to add fields or deal with the non-standard episode rows, it's pretty bare bones at the moment.
Title: [Volunteers Wanted] Podcast Chaptering
Post by: Lemon on April 13, 2019, 11:30:00 am
In my design fork I've added a per-episode indicator of which eps have chapters.

(https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3413200/56082464-be662980-5dde-11e9-8497-39d2754e50db.png)

Also added credit for chapter providers

(https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3413200/56082522-4ba97e00-5ddf-11e9-9373-a271e0c08c75.png)