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Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Lemon on February 04, 2017, 03:44:24 pm
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Jb1FI7v7wKF3JU5GT4ERfw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9Mzc3O2lsPXBsYW5lO3B4b2ZmPTUwO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTY3MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2015-05-02T235150Z_1941999832_GF10000082030_RTRMADP_3_ECIGAREETES-TEENS-TRICKS.JPG)
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: GirlKisser420 on February 04, 2017, 04:34:32 pm
Just smoke weed guys
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Is It Normal this Disgusting Giant Sherman Tank on February 04, 2017, 04:38:33 pm
I didn't think smoking could be more pretentious than when I tried using a pipe for a couple months. I was wrong.
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: AgentCoop on February 04, 2017, 04:41:46 pm
As someone who's guilty pleasures are Newport's and William Gibson idk, Vaping makes me unreasonably annoyed
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Glitterbomber on February 04, 2017, 04:44:46 pm
I unironically enjoy pipes and I don't even want to fuck with how up their asses vapers are.

I've listened to an old man very passionately explain how only Virginia tobacco is worth using in a 'real' pipe but I don't wanna fuck with these nerds
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: AgentCoop on February 04, 2017, 06:19:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/PC8FvSf.jpg)
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: DetectiveSlowpoke on February 04, 2017, 08:46:24 pm
How does a vaping forum manage to be more paranoid about the government than conspiracy theorists.
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: SATAN MILKSHAKE on February 04, 2017, 09:16:25 pm
How does a vaping forum manage to be more paranoid about the government than conspiracy theorists.
DetectiveSlowpoke, February 04, 2017, 08:46:24 pm
No stakes?  Then I...I will put the whole world at stake!
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Glitterbomber on February 04, 2017, 10:44:38 pm
How does a vaping forum manage to be more paranoid about the government than conspiracy theorists.
DetectiveSlowpoke, February 04, 2017, 08:46:24 pm

Do you want a real answer?

It's because all jokes aside libertarians and that crowd do fucking love vaping and currently the market is a ton of growing businesses that are still niche and small and fractured enough to focus on customer service, hence that first bit having a guy talking about his vape store owner by name and being amazed that he got free samples of a finite product and all because a personalized note was included. So right now the market is super ripe for Vape Juice Fred to tell his customers 'hey if THE GOVERNMENT puts REGULATIONS on vape juice then I'll probably have to literally kill myself and burn my store down!!!!' and that audience is full of people who not only will go 'yea, yea that's RIGHT, they WILL do that!!!!' but also have built a community around consumption that makes it easy to spread that shit around.

Basically imagine if the bodega you go to was part of a big bodega forum and the guy behind the counter who sometimes slides you a free pack of swishers while you're buying beer and chips had a vested interest in keeping his store completely free of any oversight or rules and knew you were likely to spread his tale of woe to the masses for him.

Also I guess imagine if you've built like, major parts of your identity around liking that bodega? Like, you have to genuinely care about the state of that bodega as if it was a part of you
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: cashmir sweaters on February 05, 2017, 02:55:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/r92YfAL.jpg)
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Cheapskate on February 05, 2017, 03:56:14 am
I yearn for the day the Silicon Valley types complete their work on a Soylent-flavored vape juice.
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: oscaruglyface on February 05, 2017, 09:13:04 am
How does a vaping forum manage to be more paranoid about the government than conspiracy theorists.
DetectiveSlowpoke, February 04, 2017, 08:46:24 pm

Basically imagine if the bodega you go to was part of a big bodega forum and the guy behind the counter who sometimes slides you a free pack of swishers

Glitterbomber, February 04, 2017, 10:44:38 pm

This is the most new york monster cockogy I've ever heard
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Glitterbomber on February 05, 2017, 09:41:29 am
I'm postin here!!!
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: rhorsman on February 05, 2017, 11:07:55 am
I'ma give Frank West stealth MVP for "Vape Your Wagon".
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Yavuz on February 05, 2017, 12:26:59 pm
Being at a fairly sizable public university, I see all kinds of people. And that includes vapers. I see someone taking a vape every so often, and there's a vape shop at the local mall. The people I see in there when I walk past it could best be described as "exactly the sort of person you'd expect in a vape shop at a mall in a Midwest college town".

And then, there was the time when I was sitting in a public area, working on my laptop while I waited to go to class. A few yards away, there was a dude with an e-cigarette blowing out huge clouds of vapor. This was inside a building, to be clear. I mean, even if there's nothing harmful in it (which I am not at all confident is true), that's still weird.
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Kreega on February 06, 2017, 05:34:08 pm
I live in the UK and vapers are everywhere. I can think of like 3 vape shops within walking distance from me (it's even worse in London, but many things are worse in London.)

Nothing quite like walking through an exhaled liquorice cloud!
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Spooks on February 07, 2017, 06:15:47 pm
To me vaping really seems like the most non-toxic, toxic thing to be invested in. It adds several slippery slopes into a 90 angled cliff. You've got a bunch of highly specific equipment with a lot of room left to tweak it. This appeals to the handyman in every dude, it's a dad tinkering with his car, but now it's a cool, tech cigarette.

Then you've got just about every flavor you can imagine. I was researching on a vape doc not long before this one was submitted and was astounded by the sheer amount of (steeply priced) options on display. This stinks of the CCG, mobile, whatever-you-wanna-liken-it-to, collectathon business model, where users are suckered into buying many different variants of more or less the same thing (as far as manufacturing is concerned, I'm sure). "Find YOUR perfect flavor", "You've gotta try them ALL!" and all that jazz. Every vape juice company I've encountered has picked up on this super hard.

Then you've got your good old internet echo chamber and, well, I don't need to explain how that works. All of these companies, in every part of the supply chain, have a vested interested in harboring a community built around user investment user generated content (find atomizer tweaks from this forum, share your custom flavor recipes on this forum). These are tried and true methods of ingraining your product into the identity of your customer, so that they can no longer separate you from them.

I don't care if you only vape non-nicotine E-liquids, you're still addicted in my book.



Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: MyFaceBeHi on February 08, 2017, 01:22:25 am
There is a phrase that was coined on the Something Awful forums a while back which I think sums these guys up pretty well: "blowing a robot dick." If anything, this is the next evolutionary step before we reach peak sex robot!
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Bunnybread on February 08, 2017, 12:02:29 pm
Did they steal it from True Detective or vice versa?

Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: MyFaceBeHi on February 08, 2017, 12:46:51 pm
It's SA so they stole it from some sort of popular culture reference.
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Sseth672 on February 09, 2017, 02:40:19 am
(http://image.prntscr.com/image/ca287b1f77a549d8990faaecc6d7cd03.png)
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Dawnswalker on February 09, 2017, 05:58:58 pm
You will all be glad to know that Smoking and Vaping are expressly forbidden in Canadian government buildings.
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: bubbleuj on February 09, 2017, 11:02:14 pm
Confession: I used to vape and even went to a convention in 2015.

I got a bunch of free shit and met some giant nerds. People totally will snob out if you don't "wick your own".

 Basically there's a little bit of cotton (JAPANESE OF COURSE) that sucks in the juice to the coil (which heats it up). Usually this bit of cloth gets burned out after a while depending on what kind of juice you use, what nicotine level you have and what heat you're running it at and some other bullshit. You end up with literal burnt flakes on your coil. Some people try and clean this shit off by soaking it in alcohol (this doesn't work).

Anyway, apparently TRUE vapers make their own coils because of course. Ive been to shops where dudes would show up with their little sets of wires and just kinda hang out making their coils and stuffing in the cotton themselves.

I saw a cloud competition. The people competing are exactly the dudes you're imagining in your head. They're also "true vapers" and you know that because they vape low nicotine juices like 1.5mg which exists mostly for these guys (most people quit ecigs around 6mg).

Also when I went (2015) there was a general air of holy shit the government is gonna take away our candy dick sticks please join/pay the dues for our advocacy group.

The worst is that people will pay $20 for 30ml of something that tastes like peanut butter and jelly and steampunk vapes exist.
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: znarf on February 10, 2017, 12:21:41 pm
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Jb1FI7v7wKF3JU5GT4ERfw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9Mzc3O2lsPXBsYW5lO3B4b2ZmPTUwO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTY3MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2015-05-02T235150Z_1941999832_GF10000082030_RTRMADP_3_ECIGAREETES-TEENS-TRICKS.JPG)
Lemon, February 04, 2017, 03:44:24 pm

These are saddest Dhalsim players ever
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Glitterbomber on February 11, 2017, 03:15:53 pm
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Jb1FI7v7wKF3JU5GT4ERfw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9Mzc3O2lsPXBsYW5lO3B4b2ZmPTUwO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTY3MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2015-05-02T235150Z_1941999832_GF10000082030_RTRMADP_3_ECIGAREETES-TEENS-TRICKS.JPG)
Lemon, February 04, 2017, 03:44:24 pm

These are saddest Dhalsim players ever
znarf, February 10, 2017, 12:21:41 pm

you could call their life choices that led them there a real Yoga Catastrophe
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Fatty Bo Batty on February 12, 2017, 02:09:35 am
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Jb1FI7v7wKF3JU5GT4ERfw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9Mzc3O2lsPXBsYW5lO3B4b2ZmPTUwO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTY3MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2015-05-02T235150Z_1941999832_GF10000082030_RTRMADP_3_ECIGAREETES-TEENS-TRICKS.JPG)
Lemon, February 04, 2017, 03:44:24 pm

These are saddest Dhalsim players ever
znarf, February 10, 2017, 12:21:41 pm

"YOGA LAME!!!"
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Cheapskate on February 12, 2017, 05:53:17 am
Man Smoking E-Cigarette Must Be Futuristic Bounty Hunter (http://www.theonion.com/article/man-smoking-e-cigarette-must-be-futuristic-bounty--34531)
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Chaymie on February 13, 2017, 12:20:31 am
I just want to make a confession:
I use a vaporizer, my buddy uses a vaporizer, and the night before this episode was released, we watched vape competitions on YouTube and made fun of them because it's the dumbest shit ever.

Self-identifying vapers are just as bad as self-identifying gamers.

There's also a huge structural  overlap between "vape enthusiasts" and audiophiles that I'm surprised didn't get a mention in the wrap-up, too.

I would like to mention though, that vaporizers don't use water. They use a variable balance of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, abbreviated to PG and VG, where propylene glycol is a thinner liquid that carries flavor better than the thicker, more syrupy vegetable glycerin.

I used a vaporizer to quit smoking, and while it's not as healthy as not putting shit in my lungs, I don't have shortness of breath anymore, and, bottom line: it's cheaper.

Basically, to cut out all the bullshit:
I spent about 60 dollars on the vaporizer, and 40 on the tank. Assuming 5 dollars a pack a day, in a 30 day month I spent 150 dollars on cigarettes, so the vaporizer paid for itself in less than 3 weeks.

30 ml of juice is about 15 dollars at a local vape shop, but it probably isn't that good because it's usually thinned with purified water, which overheats, and you can get 100 ml for the same price online, which lasts more than a week, depending on your habits and coil resistance. 

Sub-ohm vaping, to me, only has the appeal of a higher "cloud" output because the density more closely resembles cigarette smoke, but I do get self conscious about how I look because of how stupid vapers are, and it's asinine to turn it into dick-wagging because a lot of it comes down to hardware.

A 1.2 ohm resistance coil produces less vapor than a half ohm coil because that's the basic fucking property of voltage and resistance. Personally, I prefer .5 ohm because the time between "firing" the vaporizer with the power button and vapor production is significantly shorter at lower resistances.

At 3mg/ml, I have to refill my 7ml tank once or twice a day, meaning it's about the same nicotine intake as cigarettes. I use ceramic coils (around 3 dollars a coil)  because traditional coils are steel wire touching a cotton "wick," while these are steel wire touching a ceramic tube touching a cotton wick, which means they last longer and don't take on a burnt flavor after a week. They're cheaper, essentially. I bought 10 in August.

The juice I use is 70%VG/30%PG because heat affects viscosity, and ceramic coils run hotter, so a higher vegetable glycerin concentration is necessary to prevent sucking the juice through the cotton and into your mouth. This will only burn you if you're a dumbass cloud chaser.

The airflow openings on a tank are useful for catering to how you inhale . "Wide open" direct to lung is for cigarette smokers, and smaller air flow mouth to lung is for cigar smokers, essentially.

Most of those guys don't even use nicotine (or flavoring), so that they can more easily inhale and exhale a large amount of corn mist and feel proud about something.

Good juice, to me, is something that doesn't make me feel like I'm huffing candles to get a buzz. It also shouldn't cost as much as fine wine.

As for safety, Li Ion batteries are only dangerous when they're used in an unsafe matter. The all-encompassing vague doom warnings are just liability against people who clean electronics with a relatively sharp knife and alcohol, and they don't reflect the real-world danger vaporizers pose, though the Galaxy Note 7 is a good reminder that shit happens.

Hopefully, this doesn't come across as white-knighting for an embarassing culture, but more as a little pamphlet for the day you'll have to explain, "No, I get it, and it's fucking stupid."

There were some misconceptions in the episode because of how insufferable "vape culture" is, and I don't think that the valid criticisms in the episode deserve to be treated as unfunny or ignorant should there be the highly likely scenario a vape master swoops in on his Goku cloud to decry the persecution of vapor flutes.

Also, someone please convince Warner Bros. to reboot Final Destination, if only for the scene where a vapor lord gets his mod shoved through his face by an air bag.


Edit: sorry for the long post, but I think this point of view was lost in translation.

And finally,
People have allergies. If your juice has a known common allergen, don't blow it in public. Don't even do it outside in public. Epi-pens are expensive, and you're a fucking asshole if you're blowing artificial cinnamon clouds all over the place without worrying about the well-being and rights of others. Even if it's a bar that allows smoking.

Cigarette smoke isn't a surprise variable in a lot of bars, but there are "generally-regarded-as-safe" flavoring additives that have the potential to kill someone, and members of society, no matter how few,  don't deserve the existential dread of accidentally inhaling an artificial flavoring they're allergic to.
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Liatai on February 13, 2017, 01:37:23 am
a very good post!
Chaymie, February 13, 2017, 12:20:31 am

Also, to assuage any accidental fears about one thing -- propylene glycol isn't the same thing as ethylene glycol. x3 It's a difference of one methyl group (a carbon and some tagalong hydrogens). Ethylene glycol is the stuff in antifreeze. Propylene glycol is pretty much safe, unless you chug a pure bottle of it or take a bunch of it in an IV or something. Or binge-drink a ton of some type of alcoholic drink that uses it as a solvent. As in, over three liters of such a beverage in one night.

(Sorry -- I just re-listened to an episode where somebody accidentally identified propylene glycol as antifreeze and it was picking away at me! ^^;;;;; Thank you for the very informative post, Chaymie, and congrats on quitting smoking! And thank you, too, for reinforcing caution about potential allergens. My family of folks with hyperactive immune systems salutes you. :B)
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: znarf on February 13, 2017, 02:07:17 am
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Jb1FI7v7wKF3JU5GT4ERfw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9Mzc3O2lsPXBsYW5lO3B4b2ZmPTUwO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTY3MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2015-05-02T235150Z_1941999832_GF10000082030_RTRMADP_3_ECIGAREETES-TEENS-TRICKS.JPG)
Lemon, February 04, 2017, 03:44:24 pm

These are saddest Dhalsim players ever
znarf, February 10, 2017, 12:21:41 pm

"YOGA LAME!!!"
FattyBoBatty, February 12, 2017, 02:09:35 am

hmmm... I think that one is a bit of a stretch
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Chaymie on February 13, 2017, 02:13:17 am
You know, they used to have deep sea diving competitions.
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Is It Normal this Disgusting Giant Sherman Tank on February 13, 2017, 05:59:57 pm
You know, they used to have deep sea diving competitions.
Chaymie, February 13, 2017, 02:13:17 am

See, that requires a little thing called "going outside", so...
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Bobguinary Novel on February 14, 2017, 08:05:02 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/2B5Vb2o.jpg)
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Spooks on February 23, 2017, 03:49:11 am
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/89/0c/e0/890ce092ec9925376ba7451af05150ee.jpg)
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Megacrex inepta on September 05, 2017, 03:32:07 am
i knew people made their own vape liquid but didn't really look into it until my sister found a website that sells the raw materials. (http://www.juicefactory.com.au/juice-concentrates/) i take it that it's only one of many distributors but it has some interesting components.

you could be "that guy"(https://i.imgur.com/JrfXkBv.png)
(it has bad reviews) (https://i.imgur.com/uWe5wUQ.png)
or i'm not sure why you'd like to smell like this(https://i.imgur.com/Gpq2vIf.jpg)
smell like weed without the benefit of actually having weed(https://i.imgur.com/Cr7G45N.jpg)
but the one that really caught my attention was this (http://www.juicefactory.com.au/flavor-west-capsicum-concentrate/) (https://i.imgur.com/0M2wzSg.jpg)

Warning: Scoville heat units (SHU) 15,000,000.
which i kind of hope is true, and kind of don't. the thought of someone inhaling satan's asshole on a dare is great though. your body might even anaphalax out of self preservation. i realize its not meant to be done straight

(https://i.imgur.com/Q04hsrD.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/uGuKdJE.png)
and some other stores:
(https://i.imgur.com/DznVmnZ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/gqCXOoQ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/lakcor1.png)
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Lemon on September 05, 2017, 09:37:18 am
Well, since this thread has been revived....

Not long after recording this episode, I bought myself a vape rig. I've tried to control my addiction to smoking several times in several different ways (including the nicotine gum and the little vapes like you get in gas stations) and the success of the experience has been short-lived. This time around, I got one of the vape kits like they describe in this episode (mine looks like this (https://www.180smoke.ca/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/e/l/eleaf-pico-75w-meloiiimini-kit-silver-s01.jpg)) and it's got a digital display, adjustable wattage and a choke. I bought it from a white guy who was the owner/proprieter of the vape shop, who had a double curled moustache, some sort of pillow on his head, and was on a goddamn hoverboard when I walked into the shop. The shop, incidentally, has a sign outside saying WE VAPE WE VOTE.

Everything about vape culture is irritating. It's a combination of the worst parts of weed culture coupled with the worst parts about tech culture. The flavors are incomprehensible ("Black Sun", "Chronos", "Raven") and the enthusiasts are deaf to the customer's requests. Hey man, I just need to have some monster cockogue to the thing that's been an emotional crutch for me for many years. "AWESOME DUDE IF YOU FLIP THIS SWITCH DOWN TO HERE YOU CAN BLOW A THICC CLOUD" Right, okay but I don't want to? I just want to not smoke. "I GOTCHU FAM TRY THIS SHIT IT'S LIKE MAPLE AND WALNUT AND CARDAMOM AND ANISE AND BLUEBERRY AND COTTON CANDY AND LAVENDER." My vape looks stupid, I blow out a thick cloud of glycerine vapor and that gives me exactly as much pride as my ability to turned burning tobacco into gross smelling smoke.

And it's working.

Now, it's dangerous for the addict to say something reckless like "Hey guys I'm totally over this addiction", but I'm doing better with this than I've ever done before. I took a break from it and smoked like Eisenhower for F Plus Live weekend and come Monday morning I was able to stop completely. I never do it inside, I take my dumb rig outside and do it on the porch. But as an monster cockogue, it's been effective. Times come up, often related to drinking, where I'm very much wanting a smoke and if I go outside and puff on my Missy's Wet Box, I feel better about that, and the urge is basically gone.

Also, because I don't really like vaping, it's working better for me. I don't do it on a daily basis, just when I have the urge. So days will go by without. The logistical problem there is that I don't bring my vape with me when I go out usually, and so if I do end up at a bar and I'm two beers in, I will start looking very lustfully at the lady one table over enjoying her Camel. And I have cheated. The addiction is certainly isn't fully under control, but more under control than it ever has been before, and that's due mainly to me actually having tried to quit several times and having learned where the problems are, but also to me having this other thing to use when I need to.

So thank you, vape rigs, for being so painfully uncool that I'll never get addicted to you.
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: bubbleuj on September 05, 2017, 10:14:44 am
Well, since this thread has been revived....

Not long after recording this episode, I bought myself a vape rig. I've tried to control my addiction to smoking several times in several different ways (including the nicotine gum and the little vapes like you get in gas stations) and the success of the experience has been short-lived.

[...]

So thank you, vape rigs, for being so painfully uncool that I'll never get addicted to you.
Lemon, September 05, 2017, 09:37:18 am

I had the exact same experience. I went back recently and bought another one since quitting smoking is awful.

If you let the sales people make conversation with you, it becomes a little awful since yes, the culture is super cringy.

But holy shit, does it ever work well.
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Neal on July 07, 2018, 04:22:35 pm
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1807/42359515515_e32e54f954_o.jpg)
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Yavuz on November 28, 2018, 12:04:12 pm
https://twitter.com/LukeMones/status/1067810549071794177
Title: 242: (Untitled Vaping Episode)
Post by: Oedipal Arrangements on March 31, 2019, 09:02:22 am
(http://u.cubeupload.com/oedipalarrangements/ADD26A2CA832455EB24B.jpeg)