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Topic: 294: Steve Bannon Ruined Your Sex Robot Conference  (Read 6222 times)

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I'm just morally offended that the question DO WE REALLY WANT A MALE SEXBOT WITH A BIONIC PENIS? is presented as not self-evidently answerable.
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I personally feel like, if someone wants an AI fuckslave, they should probably have one and keep them away from humans.

Like, unless we get a weird scifi situation of Suddenly Computar Become Humanlike, it's most likely just a reasonable facsimile of human interaction and not a being capable of suffering.  I'm AOK with someone being a major creep as long as the only victim is themself.
Puppy Time, September 07, 2020, 01:58:50 pm
From a story in Stanislaw Lem's brilliant Cyberiad, where a robot creator-god (trurl) has designed a world of simulacrae for a tyrant to torture, and his homie Klapaucius is pissed off at Trurl:
"If an imperfect imitator, wishing to inflict pain, were to build himself a crude idol of wood or wax, and further give it some makeshift semblance of a sentient being, his torture of the thing would be a paltry mockery indeed! But consider a succession of improvements on this practice! Consider the next sculptor, who builds a doll with a recording in its belly, that it may groan beneath his blows; consider a doll which, when beaten, begs for mercy, no longer a crude idol, but a homeostat; consider a doll that sheds tears, a doll that bleeds, a doll that fears death, though it also longs for the peace that only death can bring! Don't you see, when the imitator is perfect, so must be the imitation, and the semblance becomes the truth, the pretense a reality!
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You say there's no way of knowing whether Excelsius's subjects groan, when beaten, purely because of the electrons hopping about inside - like wheels grinding out the mimicry of a voice - or whether they really groan, that is, because they honestly experience the pain? A pretty distinction, this! No, Trurl, a sufferer is not one who hands you his suffering, that you may touch it, weigh it, bite it like a coin; a sufferer is one who behaves like a sufferer! Prove to me here and now, once and for all, that they do not feel, that they do not think, that they do not in any way exist as being conscious of their enclosure between the two abysses of oblivion-the abyss before birth and the abyss that follows death-prove this to me, Trurl, and I'll leave you be! Prove that you only imitated suffering, and did not create it!

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also, I will be attending the VR sex robot conference.
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I personally feel like, if someone wants an AI fuckslave, they should probably have one and keep them away from humans.

Like, unless we get a weird scifi situation of Suddenly Computar Become Humanlike, it's most likely just a reasonable facsimile of human interaction and not a being capable of suffering.  I'm AOK with someone being a major creep as long as the only victim is themself.
Puppy Time, September 07, 2020, 01:58:50 pm
From a story in Stanislaw Lem's brilliant Cyberiad, where a robot creator-god (trurl) has designed a world of simulacrae for a tyrant to torture, and his homie Klapaucius is pissed off at Trurl:
"If an imperfect imitator, wishing to inflict pain, were to build himself a crude idol of wood or wax, and further give it some makeshift semblance of a sentient being, his torture of the thing would be a paltry mockery indeed! But consider a succession of improvements on this practice! Consider the next sculptor, who builds a doll with a recording in its belly, that it may groan beneath his blows; consider a doll which, when beaten, begs for mercy, no longer a crude idol, but a homeostat; consider a doll that sheds tears, a doll that bleeds, a doll that fears death, though it also longs for the peace that only death can bring! Don't you see, when the imitator is perfect, so must be the imitation, and the semblance becomes the truth, the pretense a reality!
[...]
You say there's no way of knowing whether Excelsius's subjects groan, when beaten, purely because of the electrons hopping about inside - like wheels grinding out the mimicry of a voice - or whether they really groan, that is, because they honestly experience the pain? A pretty distinction, this! No, Trurl, a sufferer is not one who hands you his suffering, that you may touch it, weigh it, bite it like a coin; a sufferer is one who behaves like a sufferer! Prove to me here and now, once and for all, that they do not feel, that they do not think, that they do not in any way exist as being conscious of their enclosure between the two abysses of oblivion-the abyss before birth and the abyss that follows death-prove this to me, Trurl, and I'll leave you be! Prove that you only imitated suffering, and did not create it!
chai tea latte, September 07, 2020, 02:59:01 pm

I feel like this sort of argument is in the same vein as, like, "If you shoot doodz in a video game, it is the same as shooting actual people, because they react like people."  There's more to suffering and sentience than just responding to input in a preprogrammed way. 

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Female sex dolls: Beautiful women, fully articulated faces, eye movement
Male sex dolls: Gray headless torsos hanging on the wall like a meatpacking plant, will have "bionic penises" that will kill us

Awesome! Sex-positive!

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More drama! If you go to the homepage for the upcoming International Love and Sex with Robots Conference and scroll down, you see this:

Looking on Archive.org, it appears this happened sometime between October 7th and November 8th. No "new web site" is linked and a few searches turned up nothing.

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So, David Levy's name is conspicuously absent from that alphabetical list of names, leading me to assume this is a rift between Levy and Cheok.

Now I want to know more!

The only thing I do know is that this site is on the Mixed Reality Lab server, so while Cheok may have resigned from the conference, he's still hosting the website.
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